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TheBigAristotle posted:Anyone got a few links to why Tulsi Gabbard sucks? She's outside my political radar, Hawaii barely exists to me, nothing personal. All I've gotten when I asked the same question was a really lovely article from alternet.org (lol) and a lovely blogpost full of typos from back in 2012.
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demonicon posted:So I am here. Reading all the messages you guys have. Feeling a bit guilty because of My whiteness but then reading all your terrible polotics you want to implement. Nope. The left has no room to abandon minorities. If you think so, go be a republican I guess.
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Gringostar posted:No one likes to bring up aunt frank my dude. ah youre a bigot then
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demonicon posted:So I am here. Reading all the messages you guys have. Feeling a bit guilty because of My whiteness but then reading all your terrible polotics you want to implement. The typical US family will not benefit from a Trump presidency. His economic policy is poo poo, his cabinet is stocked with Republican ghouls who will gleefully gut Medicare and other social aid, and his relations with minorities are terrible.
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Gringostar posted:No one likes to bring up aunt frank my dude. Yeah, trans folks are in a similar postion to gay folks a while back, where more people were becoming aware of it as a thing but most were :either unfamiliar with anyone who was gay, or it was a shame not talked about even within the family. The uphill battle is even steeper here because there are fewer trans people and the narrative isn't as whitebread America friendly as "love wins," but it can be won.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:All I've gotten when I asked the same question was a really lovely article from alternet.org (lol) and a lovely blogpost full of typos from back in 2012. she regularly receives support from hardcore hindu nationalists who hate muslims.
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demonicon posted:
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Tir McDohl posted:Nope. The left has no room to abandon minorities.
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Al-Saqr posted:she regularly receives support from hardcore hindu nationalists who hate muslims. source? also, what kind of support?
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Tir McDohl posted:Nope. The left has no room to abandon minorities. If you think so, go be a republican I guess. He's German. And a (yet another) software developer.
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Nov 21, 2016 22:55
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Quorum posted:Yeah, trans folks are in a similar postion to gay folks a while back, where more people were becoming aware of it as a thing but most were :either unfamiliar with anyone who was gay, or it was a shame not talked about even within the family. I propose the slogan of "Mind your own goddamn business." As rights for transgendered folks has nothing to do with anyone else's rights.
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There's this old adage, "people won't remember what you said, they'll just remember how you made them feel." Nobody hurt by the new administration will blame those responsible as long as they keep getting flattered.
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C2C - 2.0 posted:What are the "typical family problems" & how is Trump and his ilk going to fix them? The problems a family in the US cares most about is to have a job for one of the parents, child care for the kid and an overall hopeful economic lookout. Of course Trump will do nothing about it. But this "super left grass roots sa movement" will hurt more than actually help. You guys are so super left and so far removed from anyone actually having to take care of a family it's not even funny. Transgender rights? No one cares about it. Transgender right are rights for about 1% of the population. Of course this is the most important thing in this community. And you guys wonder why you lost the election.
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Nov 21, 2016 22:57
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Forgall posted:They really, really want to, if some posters here are any indication. I want to point out I made that statement from the position of someone very much on the Bernie wing of the democratic party that agrees that identity politics are not enough. The answer isn't abandoning these groups though. We need to do both, not be "republicans but not as bad and not racist/sexist" The call to abandon sickens me.
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Nov 21, 2016 22:58
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Quorum posted:Yeah, trans folks are in a similar postion to gay folks a while back, where more people were becoming aware of it as a thing but most were :either unfamiliar with anyone who was gay, or it was a shame not talked about even within the family. Oh yeah. I mean in the last several years it's become almost completely socially acceptable to be out and gay even in conservative circles because of the increasing exposure and normalization of homosexuality while being out and trans is still a bit no no for a lot of people in liberal circles because they're not familiar with them due to lack of exposure. Maybe a trans eye for the strait guy show needs to happen? Fashion instead of home decor?
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Also the economic anxiety poo poo, give it a rest. These socioeconomically disadvantaged people aren't all racists and painting them with a broad brush does more harm than good. They voted for a racist promising racist policies - they are racist. I'm not going to stop calling them what they are in the hopes their feelings aren't hurt and they will switch sides. If they can't come around on their own, I don't want them on my side - even if it means losing.
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demonicon posted:Transgender rights? No one cares about it. Transgender right are rights for about 1% of the population. Of course this is the most important thing in this community. And you guys wonder why you lost the election. Transgender rights don't have the slightest effect on anyone that isn't transgender. They don't cost money or interfere with the average family. If they were controversial, it was because the right threw a poo poo fit over nothing.
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Nov 21, 2016 23:00
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demonicon posted:The problems a family in the US cares most about is to have a job for one of the parents, child care for the kid and an overall hopeful economic lookout. Ah, the "They don't matter!" argument. I've literally heard (a highly bigoted and very lucky economically) person tell a transgender person that recently. During an election season where they stood to lose what little protections they had earned in their state, no less. And that's setting aside the intersection of economic and civil rights that the Democrat's are supposed to represent. Perhaps you could explain why we should abandon people in the face of some bad dudes getting into office? That sort of mealy-mouthed cowardice was why the Democrats were a joke for almost two decades. And why they'd also lose elections since nothing says "Watch out for yourself, FYGM prevails." like looking at another minority group and realizing that the political party that is supposed to be supporting you might consider you to outlive your usefulness too one day. Alternatively: Kindly go gently caress yourself? Archonex fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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Nov 21, 2016 23:00
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Zeeman posted:A bit of good news, hopefully: http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/lo...8cc72ee068.html This guy is optimistic as hell. I'll have whatever he's having
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As a crazy leftist tranny, the dems lost because they lost touch with the working class. Gee, Hillary, it's nice you let me get to put an "F" on my passport, but it doesn't loving matter, because me and no one I know can find work and I'm more concerned with making sure I can eat food and pay rent, not stop hundreds on some form of ID. There's no way I could afford it, so what does it matter?
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demonicon posted:The problems a family in the US cares most about is to have a job for one of the parents, child care for the kid and an overall hopeful economic lookout.
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Nov 21, 2016 23:02
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Archonex posted:Ah, the "They don't matter!" argument. Yeah run on it and go gently caress yourself for another 8 years of Republican domination.
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Nov 21, 2016 23:03
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BarbarianElephant posted:Transgender rights don't have the slightest effect on anyone that isn't transgender. They don't cost money or interfere with the average family. If they were controversial, it was because the right threw a poo poo fit over nothing. i think his problem is that we've been ignoring an economic message in lieu of the social justice message of transgender rights.
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Talmonis posted:I propose the slogan of "Mind your own goddamn business." As rights for transgendered folks has nothing to do with anyone else's rights. that's already the slogan of anti-trans groups that think transgender people are invading bathrooms to do nefarious things like poop in the vicinity of cis women edit: to be clear, i agree with you, but it's a message that bigots are happy to twist to match their own insane purposes
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demonicon posted:The problems a family in the US cares most about is to have a job for one of the parents, child care for the kid and an overall hopeful economic lookout. My friend, those sexual/gender rights will apply to all people, even future transgender folk will benefit from these rights, so it's not smart to take a snapshot and say that they will only afect x% of the population. Yes, jobs are a very important thing, and most (but not all) leftists now agree that the way the establishment democrats ran their messaging was dumb and bad. Now we know we have to have a prosperous economic plan for all, a strong racial justice plank, and an equally strong LGBTQ rights plank so all americans feel included.
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Thalantos posted:As a crazy leftist tranny, the dems lost because they lost touch with the working class. Well, for one thing it could very well be legal to just fire you for being trans the country over, rather than working toward eliminating that like the Democrats were trying to do.
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demonicon posted:The problems a family in the US cares most about is to have a job for one of the parents, child care for the kid and an overall hopeful economic lookout. So when no one was looking, you took a thorough census of SA members? What's funny: your blanket statement about posters on this forum that is likely not reflective of reality.
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Nov 21, 2016 23:04
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Thalantos posted:As a crazy leftist tranny, the dems lost because they lost touch with the working class. That's true, even if the Dems supported the policies to help the working class, that message couldn't ever get across the chasm. The campaign did poorly but the media isolation within the electorate was a significant factor.
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Archonex posted:Ah, the "They don't matter!" argument. Electorally, they don't. Sad but true. There really aren't enough trans people, nor do most people have enough contact with trans issues, for it to be meaningful for many/most voters, and we saw this election that people will vote fr their own material concerns instead of for how others are affected by things.
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Skanker posted:a large chunk of this thread has been about what to do with the economy. the problem is you, like most republicans, can't hear one word about a minority group without thinking too much has been said about them. 
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Btw I am German. Politically active, left wing, and member of a union. But I also have a family to support
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Thalantos posted:As a crazy leftist tranny, the dems lost because they lost touch with the working class. This, yeah. The answer is actual progressive leftism. We don't beat racism by cutting loose the scapegoats. We best racism with a better scapegoat (i.e. class war). We have to re target that rage onto the targets that actually deserve it.
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TyrantWD posted:They voted for a racist promising racist policies - they are racist. I'm not going to stop calling them what they are in the hopes their feelings aren't hurt and they will switch sides. If they can't come around on their own, I don't want them on my side - even if it means losing. So, all the working class latinxs, black people, and asians that went from Obama to Trump are racists? And you'd rather keep on hilariously losing elections rather than admit that maybe we shouldn't demonize the working class?
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demonicon posted:The problems a family in the US cares most about is to have a job for one of the parents, child care for the kid and an overall hopeful economic lookout. both are important imo. hillary's campaign failed us by failing to have an economic message that speaks to the working poor
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demonicon posted:Btw I am German. Politically active, left wing, and member of a union. So are you even in the US? Why are you here?
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trans rights is one of those topics that is really good at outing the people who will be voting straight ticket republican in ten year's time
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Pretty sure we're seeing the results of the huge brain drain that were the Hillary toxxes. We're the wreckage that was left over. Anyone get a count on how many were banned/perma banned? Ah yes we're really missing the people from the old thread *ignores that this is the third or fourth iteration of UsPol November*
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Pedro De Heredia posted:Electorally, they don't. I don't disagree, but LGBT rights weren't the be-all-end-all issue that Democrats ran on.
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