|
Jamesman posted:But will they tolerate a movie with so many black people in it? If Luke Cage is any indicator? No.
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 05:34
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 31, 2024 00:18 |
|
|
Speaking of, has Netflix ever released ratings info for their original releases? I'm assuming it would have to be limited to total number of complete watches and maybe viewership by state/country.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 05:49
|
|
|
The rich have loved watching POC perform for like a century
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 05:58
|
|
|
They'll go see it but be completely oblivious to the point, like Mike Pence and Hamilton.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 06:30
|
|
|
Markorjoshua posted:The rich have loved watching POC perform for like a century Yeah if there white
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 06:46
|
|
|
Big Mean Jerk posted:Speaking of, has Netflix ever released ratings info for their original releases? I'm assuming it would have to be limited to total number of complete watches and maybe viewership by state/country. Netflix never releases viewership numbers.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 07:42
|
|
|
Rhyno posted:If Luke Cage is any indicator? Was that series considered not great? after watching all of those, I find it my least favorite. DD s1 and JJ were pretty fun, DD S2 was pretty good, except for Matt being a total rear end to Foggy and Karen. But LC had some of the worst Villians, Cottonmouth was okay, Mariah seemed to luck into everything in an unsatisfying way, and Diamondback was awful. It just felt like there was a lot of lost potential.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 07:59
|
|
|
Anora posted:Was that series considered not great? after watching all of those, I find it my least favorite. DD s1 and JJ were pretty fun, DD S2 was pretty good, except for Matt being a total rear end to Foggy and Karen. But LC had some of the worst Villians, Cottonmouth was okay, Mariah seemed to luck into everything in an unsatisfying way, and Diamondback was awful. It just felt like there was a lot of lost potential. I liked Luke Cage right up until the last 2 episodes. 
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 11:08
|
|
|
Anora posted:Was that series considered not great? after watching all of those, I find it my least favorite. DD s1 and JJ were pretty fun, DD S2 was pretty good, except for Matt being a total rear end to Foggy and Karen. But LC had some of the worst Villians, Cottonmouth was okay, Mariah seemed to luck into everything in an unsatisfying way, and Diamondback was awful. It just felt like there was a lot of lost potential.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 12:49
|
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:Just as Cottonmouth gets interesting they replace him with Diamondback where apparently the actor decided to do his weirdest possible Jules from Pulp Fiction impression. The second half is for the most part a lot weaker than the 1st. Overall it's decent but it is not on the level of the other shows they have previously done. This is how I felt about it. It wasn't bad, but a ball was clearly dropped at some point. I quite liked Cottonmouth. Diamondback and Mariah didn't live up to that standard at all.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 14:06
|
|
|
Yeah, Luke Cage (like almost all the Netflix shows) is half a really good show and half trying too hard to be comic-booky when it doesn't fit.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 14:37
|
|
|
The Netflix shows never really seem to know how to end. Every episode is better than the last, until the final two episodes. Without fail. The only semi-exception is Jessica Jones, where the last episode was pretty good (though not as good as the rest of the show), but there were a one or two episodes near the end that were mostly tension-building or filler episodes.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 14:41
|
|
|
Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The Netflix shows never really seem to know how to end. Every episode is better than the last, until the final two episodes. Without fail. Apparently Defenders is only going to be 8 but will have like the entire casts of all four shows practically so I have no clue how they are going to fit that in.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 14:45
|
|
|
They all need to be 10 episodes, max. The padding on Cage especially was so bad I just didn't even bother watching the last 3 episodes until this weekend (Diamondback did get better, to be fair to him, I quite liked him by the end).
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 15:22
|
|
|
Luke Cage was the first Marvel Netflix show I watched and I had to stop after 4 episodes. It just always felt a little cheap, not sure what it was. It didn't help that WestWorld started around the same time, that might have ruined everything.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 15:24
|
|
|
Sentinel Red posted:They all need to be 10 episodes, max. The padding on Cage especially was so bad I just didn't even bother watching the last 3 episodes until this weekend (Diamondback did get better, to be fair to him, I quite liked him by the end). Or maybe they could just get writers who can do the job they're hired for?
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 15:28
|
|
|
Everything with Diamondback and his backstory/motivation was weak as hell. They just didn't do a good job with it at all.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 15:30
|
|
|
The length of the Netflix series' only matters because of the writing. Cage could have been thirty episodes and we all would have been clamoring for more if it had been written better.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 15:34
|
|
|
Aphrodite posted:Or maybe they could just get writers who can do the job they're hired for? Stories are organic things. They are as long as they are. Setting an arbitrary point and saying "Your story needs to be this length" is always a gamble, and it generally only pays off if you have *more* ideas than can fit into that time. It can sometimes pay off by making writers really examine those ideas and cut them down to the most interesting, or make them flow in the most economic way possible. And even then it can just as often hurt the story. When the story is shorter and you try to force it to be longer? That's just asking for misery. The thing I'm looking forward to is in 10 years or so when it's completely blase to put poo poo online only, and people just acknowledge that maybe this season isn't a season, it's a 2 and a half hour movie. Maybe next season is 10 episodes. Maybe the one after that is 8. Maybe you legitimately have 20 episodes for the final season. Let the story be whatever it is, and don't try to fit some arbitrary ad based matrix that lost relevance sometime shortly after the 1950s ended, and whose undead spirit has been haunting televised fiction ever since.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 15:40
|
|
|
They're not writing original stories, they're adapting 40+ years of stuff.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 15:43
|
|
|
Aphrodite posted:They're not writing original stories, they're adapting 40+ years of stuff. They absolutely are writing original stories. None of the Netflix shows has been a straight adaptation of any of the comic arcs, they've at best been inspired by it and then gone off in their own directions. Luke Cage borrows from some of Luke's history but it's got plenty of its own stuff in there to..
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 15:46
|
|
|
Aphrodite posted:They're not writing original stories, they're adapting 40+ years of stuff. But they're deathly afraid of writing monster-of-the-week stories so none of the story structure of all that wealth of material is retained.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 15:48
|
|
|
I still feel like I watched Bizarro Luke Cage where Diamondback was hilarious and I loved him while I was almost immediately bored by Cottonmouth
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 15:58
|
|
|
Lobok posted:The length of the Netflix series' only matters because of the writing. Cage could have been thirty episodes and we all would have been clamoring for more if it had been written better. It's absolutely this. People are really misdiagnosing the problem as one of too many episodes when the real issue is that within the episodes the stories aren't being told properly. Luke Cage was honestly probably the worst by far about it, too.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 16:19
|
|
|
Blockhouse posted:I still feel like I watched Bizarro Luke Cage where Diamondback was hilarious and I loved him while I was almost immediately bored by Cottonmouth
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 16:20
|
|
|
Lin-Manuel Miranda wants to play Carnage and I'm not going to say no to that. "Killer symbiotes...they get the job done." redbackground fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Nov 22, 2016 |
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 17:01
|
|
|
I was mostly confused by Cottonmouth because I kept wondering why Remy Danton was suddenly a gangster and if Diamondback would turn out to be Raymond Tusk or Frank Underwood.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 17:02
|
|
|
Jamesman posted:I was mostly confused by Cottonmouth because I kept wondering why Remy Danton was suddenly a gangster and if Diamondback would turn out to be Raymond Tusk or Frank Underwood. I was confused because in the fight at the end, Luke didn't punch the bosses glowing weakspot.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 17:22
|
|
|
redbackground posted:Lin-Manuel Miranda wants to play Carnage and I'm not going to say no to that. I mean, I kinda get it if he's picking from the list of Spider-Man villains that haven't been on screen yet, but... no. Why. Huh?
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 17:22
|
|
|
He's a 90s kid.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 17:23
|
|
|
Aphrodite posted:He's a 90s kid. So am I!
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 17:32
|
|
|
Aphrodite posted:They're not writing original stories, they're adapting 40+ years of stuff. Adapting is true to an extent, but it isn't like there's this one big, definitive Luke Cage story that they're straight up adapting. In the MCU, so many of them combine stories from various eras of writers, and sometimes even incorporate other universes into the story. I think the best you can say about the Netflix shows is that they fit the tone of the story they're adapting, but a lot of the plot is original. Jessica Jones is probably a perfect example in that it nails the tone of Alias. And there are a few scenes that are loosely adapted from the comics. But so much of the story was changed either naturally or not having the rights (Scott Lang Ant-Man, Carol Danvers, Spider-Woman, Spider-Girl, J Jonah Jameson, and many more are absent from JJ for obvious reasons). Even in the scenes they adapt from the comics, like Kilgrave in the restaurant where he shouts silence, it is still changed quite a bit from the original comics scene. And just because the character is horrible in the comics doesn't excuse the character being bad in the show. I thought Mariah was a vast improvement over her comics counterpart, although that's admittedly a low bar to get over.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 17:34
|
|
|
Re: StrangeBrianWilly posted:
I thought this was a cool critique in general, won't quote the whole post. I don't know what I wanted out of the movie-- definitely not a lord of the rings trilogy-- but it really did feel thrown together to me. None of the descent, ascent, and victory of Strange felt weighty to me. Perhaps Spiderman (for example) gets a pass because everyone's so familiar that they subconsciously fill in the gaps but I "got" that character and his role a lot better than I did Strange, whom I've also read a lot of the modern comics of. Was the clock-work style reality bending thing ever an aesthetic from the comics? It jarred me for whatever reason, because whenever I think of manipulating reality I think very organic curves.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 19:35
|
|
|
Jamesman posted:I was mostly confused by Cottonmouth because I kept wondering why Remy Danton was suddenly a gangster and if Diamondback would turn out to be Raymond Tusk or Frank Underwood.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 20:20
|
|
|
Ben Wheatley (Kill List, High Rise) is on for Hard Boiled, which is a perfect choice. http://filmjunk.com/2016/11/22/ben-wheatley-and-tom-hiddleston-to-adapt-frank-millers-hard-boiled/
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2016 22:13
|
|
|
redbackground posted:Lin-Manuel Miranda wants to play Carnage and I'm not going to say no to that. I do not get wanting to play Carnage Carnage is just so one note. He's like a flatter, less interesting Joker (Note to self: Jared Leto for Carnage? Yes. Jared Leto for Carnage.) He thinks he's funny, but he's not He thinks he's clever, but he's not The only song he knows is "Kill 'Em All", and it's stuck on repeat. He doesn't even have that "Dark reflection of the hero" that so many other bad guys get - He's an off-brand knock-off of that guy. A copy of a copy. And worse in every way.
|
|
#
?
Nov 23, 2016 00:01
|
|
|
CzarChasm posted:I do not get wanting to play Carnage He has a cool colour scheme and his hand turns into an axe I don't think this one's too tough.
|
|
#
?
Nov 23, 2016 00:05
|
|
|
Out of all the Spider-Man villains I too would like to be hidden behind CGI goop most of the time. I'd be curious to know how he envisions a movie with Carnage. The whole point of the character is to be 10x as violent as any of the Spider-Man movies have been so far.
|
|
#
?
Nov 23, 2016 00:14
|
|
|
Carnage is lame so if the guy who can't rap worth poo poo wants to make the bad character into some crappy-freestylin wannabe punk i say let him
|
|
#
?
Nov 23, 2016 00:17
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 31, 2024 00:18 |
|
|
CzarChasm posted:I do not get wanting to play Carnage Sometimes people just wanna cut loose. Playing a character where you are potentially doing nothing but screaming and thrashing about seems like a good way for an actor to just have a fun time on a set.
|
|
#
?
Nov 23, 2016 00:33
|
|