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On one hand, TPP is... big, vast, and parts that aren't entirely good, but parts that are very good. Now I get to rub it in the old racist fucks at work's faces that they voted for a guy who is going to hand Asia to China.
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NewForumSoftware posted:I haven't really seen a compelling argument for what someone who didn't vote for Hillary because of "sexism" even looks like. Why is the mere discussion of sexism in politics attacked as anti-economic reform? It seems a weird turn for the left to say "who cares if sexism cause her the job"
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JeffersonClay posted:Have you considered that confirmation bias is a thing? Have you considered that Hillary was a bad candidate that lost because she ran a bad campaign and it had nothing to do with sexism, racism, neonazis or walls? Trabisnikof posted:Why is the mere discussion of sexism in politics attacked as anti-economic reform? Because it's being used, in this case, to detract from the real flaws of Hillary's campaign (ie what we as the left can change) to put blame on to "sexists" (bad people who we can do nothing about) Anyone who says "but have you thought about sexism or racism" during a discussion of why economically disadvantaged individuals who traditionally go blue chose not to vote for her is just wasting their breath/time.
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Nov 22, 2016 06:40
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Fojar38 posted:TPP is actually good and it's a shame that it's not happening. Yea, I agree, it would have been good Pause For the one percent ya big dummy!
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Nov 22, 2016 06:40
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Fojar38 posted:TPP is actually good and it's a shame that it's not happening. Oh, its happening. China has already started negations. And you can bet your rear end their Free Trade deal won't have any protections for the Environment, Labor or American IP. 70 years of American economic preeminence in the Pacific is probably in its last years. All because people had to make Perfect the enemy of Good.
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Nov 22, 2016 06:40
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Xae posted:Oh, its happening. A reminder, China wasn't part of the TPP.
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Nov 22, 2016 06:41
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The whiplash I'm getting from following posters who were 100% sure that Abuela was going to destroy Trump and usher in a thousand years of liberalism and now are crying out about sexism and racism hobbling her is amazing,
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Nov 22, 2016 06:41
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JeffersonClay posted:Have you considered that confirmation bias is a thing? Does that mean I can argue if you didn't like Bernie you're an undercover antisemite?
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Nov 22, 2016 06:41
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Trabisnikof posted:A reminder, China wasn't part of the TPP. No, but they're going to sign deals with all the countries that we just hosed. With their rules. Their Treaty boilerplate will be the standard treaty for the Pacific Region for a great long while. It was a catastrophic gently caress up.
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Nov 22, 2016 06:42
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Shouldn't you be happy that Obamacare is being repealed anyway? Pretty good news for insurers
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Nov 22, 2016 06:42
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:I was going to leave it alone since you made it halfway, but now I'm not. Yes, some POC votes were influenced by sexism. I've never suggested all POC who voted against trump were motivated by sexism, I did suggest that working class POC who voted for Trump voted against their own interests. I don't think any of these are controversial statements.
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Nov 22, 2016 06:42
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Business Gorillas posted:I mean yeah some people voted against Hillary's ladyparts but people are flirting with saying SHE LOST BECAUSE OF THE BIGOTS which isn't true It's supposed to be helpful because it deflects blame from Dear Leader and places it squarely on those sexist racist bros.
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Nov 22, 2016 06:42
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shrike82 posted:The whiplash I'm getting from following posters who were 100% sure that Abuela was going to destroy Trump and usher in a thousand years of liberalism and now are crying out about sexism and racism hobbling her is amazing, Yeah.... It's almost as if the most unlikely and odd event in modern American politics happened or something. Also, want to reiterate that the reason that I never voted for Bernie in the primary is because right before I cast my vote in the Wisconsin primary, he said one of the dumbest things I ever heard at a late-March Ohio town hall on TPP and trade after being asked consecutive questions. Question One (TPP): Standard stump answer Question Two (How would you negotiate trade in a globalized world): Complete empty, non-answer Boon fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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shrike82 posted:The whiplash I'm getting from following posters who were 100% sure that Abuela was going to destroy Trump and usher in a thousand years of liberalism and now are crying out about sexism and racism hobbling her is amazing, Look at this newcomer. I was getting whiplash when they were arguing she would bring a thousand years of torment upon the republicans and simultaneously win them over with her impressive charisma she never showed to anyone in public
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Nov 22, 2016 06:43
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Business Gorillas posted:Does that mean I can argue if you didn't like Bernie you're an undercover antisemite? Fairly blatant anti-semite. Sanders comes forward with a strong leftist message that Democrats should support, but the reception he gets is a lot of talk about how he stabbed Clinton in the back? The fact that he's Jewish has nothing to do with it, I'm sure. 
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shrike82 posted:The whiplash I'm getting from following posters who were 100% sure that Abuela was going to destroy Trump and usher in a thousand years of liberalism and now are crying out about sexism and racism hobbling her is amazing, Pretty much. And it's exhausting to make sure they don't take over again. Shame that they were apparently allowed to rereg. Also they were all gonna get forgiven but low tax had to step in and tell the staff to do their jobs and enforce the toxx lol
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Nov 22, 2016 06:44
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:It's supposed to be helpful because it deflects blame from Dear Leader and places it squarely on those sexist racist bros. You realize the more you blame Clinton the more the rest of the establishment gets away punishment free right? If you want to tear down the establishment, the narrative needs to be Biden would have lost too.
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Nov 22, 2016 06:44
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This (((socialist))) sure wants to give away lots of (((money))) that isn't his
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Nov 22, 2016 06:45
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Boon posted:Yeah.... It's almost as if the most unlikely and odd event in modern American politics happened or something. Guy Goodbody posted:Hillary Clinton ran for president twice. Both times it was assumed she was going to win, but she ended up losing to a political outsider who successfully painted Clinton as the candidate of the status quo and themselves as the candidate of change. One did it from the far left of the American political spectrum with a message of racial inclusivity and big government programs, the other from the far right with a nativist, anti-immigrant message. On top of that, Clinton was running on the exact same message that lost the Democrats 2014, "vote for us because Republicans are misogynist"
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Nov 22, 2016 06:45
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Business Gorillas posted:I mean yeah some people voted against Hillary's ladyparts but people are flirting with saying SHE LOST BECAUSE OF THE BIGOTS which isn't true This is an assertion about 100,000 people's voting behavior in 3 midwestern swing states and you've got just as much evidence to say "naw" as I do to say "yah".
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Business Gorillas posted:This (((socialist))) sure wants to give away lots of (((money))) that isn't his  muh taxes
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Nov 22, 2016 06:45
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JeffersonClay posted:This is an assertion about 100,000 people's voting behavior in 3 midwestern swing states and you've got just as much evidence to say "naw" as I do to say "yah". Except he's funny and not racist unlike you
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Nov 22, 2016 06:46
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Trabisnikof posted:You realize the more you blame Clinton the more the rest of the establishment gets away punishment free right? If you want to tear down the establishment, the narrative needs to be Biden would have lost too. What a shocker that the idiot who can't figure anything out with his sad broken brain wants to start lying instead of facing reality. Man it must be hard.
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Nov 22, 2016 06:46
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Guy Goodbody posted:On top of that, Clinton was running on the exact same message that lost the Democrats 2014, "vote for us because Republicans are misogynist" I don't know man, that 2014 as supporting evidence seems to have an awful lot of lurking variables in it...
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Pretty much. And it's exhausting to make sure they don't take over again. Shame that they were apparently allowed to rereg. Also they were all gonna get forgiven but low tax had to step in and tell the staff to do their jobs and enforce the toxx lol Appreciate the fact that they all tried to weasel their way out of the rules everyone else follows because they donated to a charity Leftists indeed
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Nov 22, 2016 06:46
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Trabisnikof posted:Why is the mere discussion of sexism in politics attacked as anti-economic reform? It's probably because the Hilary camp used cries of sexism against progressives all through the primaries so it's a bit of a raw subject when it comes to Hilary's campaign.
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Nov 22, 2016 06:46
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If only there was a loving thread or two where these election slap fights could take place instead of USPol.
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Lid posted:Now make one with the racism in the protectionist communist working class. It gets better.  Seriously I wonder if she reads this forum.
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Nov 22, 2016 06:48
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NewForumSoftware posted:What a shocker that the idiot who can't figure anything out with his sad broken brain wants to start lying instead of facing reality. Man it must be hard. Lol you're getting really emotional about this. But keep bringing up Clinton, the more you focus on her the less the party will change. But you don't care, you're better than them, right?
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Nov 22, 2016 06:48
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Business Gorillas posted:Appreciate the fact that they all tried to weasel their way out of the rules everyone else follows because they donated to a charity  Holy fuuuuuuuuuck Now you got me grinning like an idiot
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Nov 22, 2016 06:48
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Let's check in on Chuck Tingle, shall we? https://twitter.com/ChuckTingle/status/800932543688122368
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Nov 22, 2016 06:48
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Crowsbeak posted:It gets better. Hadn't seen that one before thank you gents
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Nov 22, 2016 06:49
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Business Gorillas posted:Appreciate the fact that they all tried to weasel their way out of the rules everyone else follows because they donated to a charity lol I'm not surprised you're mad about the RAINN donations.
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Nov 22, 2016 06:49
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Re: Nader chat Uninspiring corporate shill sprints away from a popular incumbent president and runs to the right, only to have his lunch eaten by a conservative that pretends to care about things that aren't his brokers. Naturally, the progressives are to blame. Sound familiar?
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Nov 22, 2016 06:50
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Business Gorillas posted:Appreciate the fact that they all tried to weasel their way out of the rules everyone else follows because they donated to a charity  THE SANCTITY OF THE TOXX Actually Exmarx offered it, people took it. People still would be out  so I didn't see the problem 
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Nov 22, 2016 06:50
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Trabisnikof posted:But keep bringing up Clinton, the more you focus on her the less the party will change. like she just demonstrated an acute failure of neoliberalism, she's going to be the model failure to hold up for the next four years, get used to it you sad broken man
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Nov 22, 2016 06:50
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Business Gorillas posted:Re: Nader chat And remember how attacking Gore as a lovely candidate kept his kind of Third Wayism out of the Democratic nomination for good?
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Nov 22, 2016 06:51
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Crowsbeak posted:Seriously I wonder if she reads this forum. Can't be, the "socialist" didn't whine about Clinton anywhere.
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Nov 22, 2016 06:51
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Xae posted:Oh, its happening. Well China's economy is in the shitter TPP or no TPP so I dunno about its inevitable ascent to regional economic preeminence
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Trabisnikof posted:Lol you're getting really emotional about this. But keep bringing up Clinton, the more you focus on her the less the party will change. But you don't care, you're better than them, right? Uh yea hes better than them simply because he didn't support a loser who lost to a reality TV star drat trabis what happened to your brains man
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