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Taciturn Tactician
Jan 27, 2011

The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation
Lipstick Apathy

ungulateman posted:

darius is uncannily similar to grommash

I kind of like Darius's lore because he's a villainous Noxian without being a completely morally bankrupt comedy villain. He doesn't kick puppies and laugh or anything, he's just a general who believes in Noxus's "Strength above all" ethos genuinely. He raised his orphan brother, he's generally pretty calm, and he respects Swain's tactical strength instead of being a dumb fightman 300-style "his leg is messed up he's worthless".

Riot, of course, clearly did this by accident because they made his new splash him screaming in rage for some reason and named his passive five stack "Bloodrage" until everyone went "that's incredibly stupid and doesn't fit" and they changed it to Noxian Might. So obviously they consider him dumb Noxian fightman regardless of what the lore says.

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fishception
Feb 20, 2011

~carrier has arrived~
Oven Wrangler

Orv posted:

Is Mord just a complete garbage baby right now?

Him/Taric bot lane both building relic shield and knights vowing each other

Kashuno
Oct 9, 2012

Where the hell is my SWORD?
Grimey Drawer
It's weird to me how much people are like "WOW RIOTS LAST 10 CHAMPS OR SO ARE TRASH NO ONE PLAYS" when the last 10 new champs released has

  1. Ivern - new champ who is iirc on the upswing? There hasn't been any competitive chance to see him yet so who knows if he will show up at that level (I'm guessing no)
  2. Kled - yeah bad trash garbage
  3. Taliyah - Definitely not as popular as she was; she had a decent showing early on and especially once the dumb design of the lockout for combos was removed. Showed up a good amount in competitive play until Riot repeatedly worked to put her in the dumpster.
  4. Aurelion Sol - I don't know that he ever had a good playrate because his kit is pretty bland in terms of how it looks, even if he is powerful. Showed up quite a bit at the competitive level.
  5. Jhin - Of the newest 10 champs, probably the most popular if not tied with Kindred or Bard. Shows up at all levels of play frequently.
  6. Illaoi - bad bad bad bad bad
  7. Kindred - Another huge pick that showed up at a lot at all levels. Eaten tons of nerfs to fall off, but still seen.
  8. Tahm Kench - Still huge and seen at all levels of play.
  9. Ekko - Had to be nerfed 3128528950 times to get him to stop showing up in literally every game and he still makes appearancees.
  10. Bard - Still huge at all levels of play.

So really there are two major losers on that list that never really got off the ground, with the rest doing just fine. Not every hero has to be a bard or a Jhin to be successful

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Mar 22, 2003

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Orv posted:

Is Mord just a complete garbage baby right now?

No, it's actually okay in a solo lane. You can take a lot of people by surprise with your Q damage, I think it's a decent pocket mid pick.

e: Camille looks kind of dumb but drat if her recall isn't cool



oh and what the hell let's put Santa Braum's in here too



and it looks like they're trying to clamp down on AP Kog

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fishception
Feb 20, 2011

~carrier has arrived~
Oven Wrangler
I dont get why people hate kled so much

Jungle him, build full AD with deaths dance and carry your dumb baby team to victory

SlyFrog
May 16, 2007

What? One name? Who are you, Seal?

Sperglord Firecock posted:

And when you get tired of Singed learn proxy Singed.

I loved Singed. But I also hate Singed, because I seem to be comically inept at toggling his Q. I think it is on when it is off, and I think it is off when it is on (obviously only really a major problem in team fights with a lot of other things floating around). I think the biggest issue is that he always has a bit of that green drift stuff going (especially when he is ulting), so I think I'm hitting Q, and it either didn't toggle, or I hit it too soon after trying to turn it off, or whatever the gently caress, and it takes me a couple of seconds to realize the drat thing did not turn on.

Orv posted:

Darius. He requires a little more finesse, but nothing pisses people off like just losing a fifth of their HP and then bleeding another eighth every time you Q.

Yeah, I had a Teemo on my team last night that died top lane to Darius four times in the first seven minutes. He really did not seem to be pissed off, since the game was "not about kills." I, however, was pissed off. Then we lost. Teemo ended up with around 15 deaths. Which did not matter, since the game was not about kills.

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stump collector
May 28, 2007
really annoying that they want to keep nerfing ap kogmaw, hes never been that bad to play against in midlane

ungulateman
Apr 18, 2012

pretentious fuckwit who isn't half as literate or insightful or clever as he thinks he is
More importantly, every character in league of legends is just stolen from metal gear rising

Fiora? Raiden

Yasuo? Raiden

Irelia? Monsoon, actually

Camille? Raiden

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Illaoi may be trash on summoners rift I wouldn't know but she's an unholy terror in ARAM.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

ungulateman posted:

More importantly, every character in league of legends is just stolen from metal gear rising

Fiora? Raiden

Yasuo? Raiden

Irelia? Monsoon, actually

Camille? Raiden

Braum needs a Sundowner skin then.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
im bad and cant dodge tentacles

How Rude
Aug 13, 2012


FUCK THIS SHIT
Congrats on making the front page Lovechop

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Sperglord Firecock posted:

I dont get why people hate kled so much

Jungle him, build full AD with deaths dance and carry your dumb baby team to victory

He just has annoying problems that make him frustrating to play. He'd be in a way better spot with a wider grace period after filling bravery + a way to not make his steroid proc on last hits.

Its a shame too because I love full AD + crit Kled. He's so close to being squishy physical Fizz.

Taciturn Tactician
Jan 27, 2011

The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation
Lipstick Apathy

ImpAtom posted:

Braum needs a Sundowner skin then.

Nah dude, Project Taric. His hammer can turn into Sundowner's ridiculous doublesaw and he can hit with both parts when his passive goes off. Bastion can turn into the shield plates instead of the crystal. Also he can yell "I'M loving INVINCIBLE" when his ult goes off.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



I want a hilariously inappropriate PROJECT skin, next. Gimme PROJECT: Amumu where his Bandage Toss is some kind of nano-grapple or whatever and he sheds cyber tears.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Taciturn Tactician posted:

Nah dude, Project Taric. His hammer can turn into Sundowner's ridiculous doublesaw and he can hit with both parts when his passive goes off. Bastion can turn into the shield plates instead of the crystal. Also he can yell "I'M loving INVINCIBLE" when his ult goes off.

You make a strong argument.

Orv
May 4, 2011
Not satisfied unless they license the music.

Lovechop
Feb 1, 2005

cheers mate

How Rude posted:

Congrats on making the front page Lovechop

huh, did i miss something?

Teikanmi
Dec 16, 2006

by R. Guyovich
Welcome back to the age of the BoRK

Radical
Apr 6, 2011

Kashuno posted:

It's weird to me how much people are like "WOW RIOTS LAST 10 CHAMPS OR SO ARE TRASH NO ONE PLAYS" when the last 10 new champs released has

So really there are two major losers on that list that never really got off the ground, with the rest doing just fine. Not every hero has to be a bard or a Jhin to be successful

i think the problem with the designs like kindred is that they only got played while being grossly overpowered and then disappeared. they don't really have the skillcap that a lee sin or riven does that make people want to play them a lot, they're better thought out than the days of the 1 champ every 2 weeks champs but they're not really an improvement in a lot of other ways.

that being said, i would say ivern, jhin, TK, ekko, and bard are all good designs. TK's skillcap is a bit different than most supports which i think is always gonna make him rare in pubs. i want to like kindred but she doesn't really have any complexity outside of her ult, her kit is kinda generic honestly. most of the challenge of playing her is being a marksman played in a role that generally plays tanky initiators. the other champs on that list are all honestly generic and lovely, even if i like some of the ideas with tali and illaoi they're just doing exactly what other champs already do more or less.

Orv
May 4, 2011
Illaoi is a set of really cool abilities and ideas that gets so utterly neutralized by two auto attacks that it baffles me she actually got released with her current design.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Illaoi is a well-designed kit that suffers from the fatal flaw of being a hyper-specialist in a universe where poo poo like tank Ekko exists. She can win drat near any fight under a stringent set of circumstances (re: being within a reasonable small chokepoint while her ult is up) but is otherwise a bit of a lame duck.

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

I'M A BIG STUPID IDIOT WHO GETS TRIGGERED FROM THE WORDS SPORTS BALL AND HAS SHIT OPINIONS ABOUT CARD GAMES. ALSO I SAID I WAS GOING TO QUIT HEARTHSTONE OUT OF SPITE OF A TAIWANESE WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP SO REPORT ME IF YOU SEE ME POST IN A HS THREAD
I don't think the fact that overloaded degenerate bullshit like Tom kench and ekko see play is a useful indicator of them being good champs.

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

I'M A BIG STUPID IDIOT WHO GETS TRIGGERED FROM THE WORDS SPORTS BALL AND HAS SHIT OPINIONS ABOUT CARD GAMES. ALSO I SAID I WAS GOING TO QUIT HEARTHSTONE OUT OF SPITE OF A TAIWANESE WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP SO REPORT ME IF YOU SEE ME POST IN A HS THREAD
Talia saw play when her q could one shot waves for literally no reason other than the designer wanting his champ to be top tier, success!

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Vermain posted:

Illaoi is a well-designed kit that suffers from the fatal flaw of being a hyper-specialist in a universe where poo poo like tank Ekko exists. She can win drat near any fight under a stringent set of circumstances (re: being within a reasonable small chokepoint while her ult is up) but is otherwise a bit of a lame duck.

She's basically only really playable on TT. on SR she's entirely reliant on being overtuned in any particular patch.

and yeah, I called it when she was released; Taliyah doesn't really fill a niche that other heroes (particularly ones that go mid) can already do. Too many of her skills are basic midlaner stuff or gimmicks that there's almost always a "better" hero to play than her at any given time. The only time she was popular was when her Q had a broken ratio and when her knock + mines did release-ziggs damage.

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Mar 22, 2003

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Work Friend Keven posted:

Talia saw play when her q could one shot waves for literally no reason other than the designer wanting his champ to be top tier, success!

Take Taliyah's wave clear away and she can't do anything. Riot making money off another busted champ. Sad!

Lovechop
Feb 1, 2005

cheers mate

Work Friend Keven posted:

Talia saw play when her q could one shot waves for literally no reason other than the designer wanting his champ to be top tier, success!

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


Tortilla Maker posted:

Which other champs are on par with Teemo on a) ease of use and b) being a rage-inducing annoyance to the enemy?

I think I choose Teemo 99% of the time.

Master Yi

Orv posted:

Is Mord just a complete garbage baby right now?

at low elo top lane Mordekaiser has a really good win rate for some reason

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Mar 22, 2003

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I don't really agree, Yi is kind of hard to play right now even in lower elo.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


he's easy to play and rage inducing, its just that his pattern of play isnt any good!

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Neurolimal posted:

and yeah, I called it when she was released; Taliyah doesn't really fill a niche that other heroes (particularly ones that go mid) can already do. Too many of her skills are basic midlaner stuff or gimmicks that there's almost always a "better" hero to play than her at any given time. The only time she was popular was when her Q had a broken ratio and when her knock + mines did release-ziggs damage.

If they rejiggered her kit a little, I think she'd make a fine support. Again, it really busts my balls that all of these loving midlaners keep getting what could otherwise be really cool and impactful support ults like Taliyah's wall.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


she would just be literally worse than full cdr tank support TF and he's not exactly outstanding, or good. he's like okay with a lot of work and will likely tilt your teammates to poo poo.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



rabidsquid posted:

she would just be literally worse than full cdr tank support TF and he's not exactly outstanding, or good. he's like okay with a lot of work and will likely tilt your teammates to poo poo.

Well, by "rejigger" I mean putting more of her power behind her E and W and taking it away from her Q. Make her a zone control/peel support with some damage and I think you'd have something that's at least usable in a lane, compared to her current state.

Cis Lord
Nov 14, 2016
This patch sucks. Did Riot have to release a skin or something? I hope 6.24 goes out next. It would already be better patch than this one.

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Mar 22, 2003

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Cis Lord posted:

This patch sucks. Did Riot have to release a skin or something? I hope 6.24 goes out next. It would already be better patch than this one.

It's unbalanced but kind of fun I think, what do you dislike about it?

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



My only real complaints about 6.22/6.23 are Colossus being a huge pain in the rear end and Vayne returning to the meta, and 6.24 looks to solve both. Just play ARAM or a different game or something in the meanwhile.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


one of the things about vayne, is that you can ban her and twitch and there are no good adcs anymore

Kashuno
Oct 9, 2012

Where the hell is my SWORD?
Grimey Drawer
Both Taliyah and Ryze ults should've been on supports.

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Mar 22, 2003

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Kashuno posted:

Both Taliyah and Ryze ults should've been on supports.

Ryze is completely broken right now, by the way. You just can't immediately tell because you have to play about ~15-20 games to figure out how to play him right.

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Argona
Feb 16, 2009

I don't want to go on living the boring life of a celestial forever.

rabidsquid posted:

at low elo top lane Mordekaiser has a really good win rate for some reason


morde is cool top cause he can take stormraider's surge and just chase the opponent down, his w is pretty good against melee laners too

I still miss morde's old q

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