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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:list of people who have ran successful national democratic party: Dean?
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Hollismason posted:This whole McGory thing is rather unsettling because this may be a case where the Legislature decides who is Gov. in a way. No, that's literally what it is if he actually gets his way. I'm skeptical that it'll go that far, but North Carolina is a state that seems to exist purely to say "wait, you guys thought I was finally cool? Check THIS poo poo out!" over and over again.
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Nov 23, 2016 07:35
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Bip Roberts posted:Dean? health care lobbyist
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Nov 23, 2016 07:38
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:list of people who have ran successful national democratic party: James Farley.
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Nov 23, 2016 07:40
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:health care lobbyist Also a reminder that if you build a successful national Democratic machine via a 50 state strategy you will as a matter of necessity include dirty evil neoliberals and a bunch of other people who don't have good politics, because a 50 state strategy means running people in the most benighted shitholes imaginable.
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Nov 23, 2016 07:44
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:health care lobbyist What does this have to do with his suitability for being DNC chair? "Hang on, we have to fire the head of polling in Nevada...I heard he supports single-payer".
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Nov 23, 2016 07:45
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Main Paineframe posted:What does this have to do with his suitability for being DNC chair? "Hang on, we have to fire the head of polling in Nevada...I heard he supports single-payer". Purity Uber Alles comrade.
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Nov 23, 2016 07:47
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Paradoxish posted:No, that's literally what it is if he actually gets his way. I'm skeptical that it'll go that far, but North Carolina is a state that seems to exist purely to say "wait, you guys thought I was finally cool? Check THIS poo poo out!" over and over again. The best outcome would be that this whole thing actually does get to the legislature...and they tell him that he lost & that's the way it goes.
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Nov 23, 2016 07:47
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Quorum posted:Also a reminder that if you build a successful national Democratic machine via a 50 state strategy you will as a matter of necessity include dirty evil neoliberals and a bunch of other people who don't have good politics, because a 50 state strategy means running people in the most benighted shitholes imaginable. Also you're going to spend a fortune defending those seats and probably lose them anyway because why vote for a Republican with a D next to their name when you can vote for one with an R? I really don't get the appeal of chasing seats in deep red territory.
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Nov 23, 2016 07:48
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This is depressingquote:A 21-year-old woman was severely injured and may lose her arm after being hit by a projectile when North Dakota law enforcement officers turned water cannon on Dakota Access pipeline protesters and threw “less-than-lethal” weapons, according to the woman’s father. gofundme link at https://www.gofundme.com/30aezxs?rcid=f8614efbfa204af4887f2bdc0d6324f0
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Nov 23, 2016 07:52
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one thing that really annoys me about Trump effectively shacking up in NYC is that getting into the city will effectively be impossible whenever he's around; I read an article that said it costs NYC a million dollars a day to provide security for the Trump family. traffic is going to be worse, and you'll have poo poo like the Lincoln Tunnel closing during rush hour because Trump wants to gently caress off to New Jersey for a minute
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Nov 23, 2016 07:58
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Paradoxish posted:Also you're going to spend a fortune defending those seats and probably lose them anyway because why vote for a Republican with a D next to their name when you can vote for one with an R? The government is designed so there's a lot more reliable red seats than blue seats. Even killing gerrymandering won't fully fix this.
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Nov 23, 2016 08:01
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Carlosologist posted:one thing that really annoys me about Trump effectively shacking up in NYC is that getting into the city will effectively be impossible whenever he's around; I read an article that said it costs NYC a million dollars a day to provide security for the Trump family. traffic is going to be worse, and you'll have poo poo like the Lincoln Tunnel closing during rush hour because Trump wants to gently caress off to New Jersey for a minute But how's he going to stick it to coastal elites if he can't govern from his golden tower in Manhattan?
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Nov 23, 2016 08:02
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shrike82 posted:This is depressing And the media is too busy falling over itself to bow to Rump to care at all.
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Nov 23, 2016 08:02
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:health care lobbyist
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Nov 23, 2016 08:09
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Dems don't need a 50 state strategy, there are a lot of states that are competitive on a national level where they can make gains. The main focus should be reclaiming the Rust Belt and consolidating power in "blue" states.
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Carlosologist posted:one thing that really annoys me about Trump effectively shacking up in NYC is that getting into the city will effectively be impossible whenever he's around; I read an article that said it costs NYC a million dollars a day to provide security for the Trump family. traffic is going to be worse, and you'll have poo poo like the Lincoln Tunnel closing during rush hour because Trump wants to gently caress off to New Jersey for a minute What about the poor sons of bitches that live in the same building as him?
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Nov 23, 2016 08:16
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:list of people who have ran successful national democratic party: Boss Tweed?
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Nov 23, 2016 08:25
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Ron Jeremy posted:Boss Tweed? I mean, you could do worse than summoning the reanimated corpse of Boss Tweed, giving him an unlimited budget, and telling him to get the white working class voting for Democrats, with the only rule that he can't throw black people under the buss to do it. This would still likely end badly, but you never know!
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Nov 23, 2016 08:29
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Quorum posted:I mean, you could do worse than summoning the reanimated corpse of Boss Tweed, giving him an unlimited budget, and telling him to get the white working class voting for Democrats, with the only rule that he can't throw black people under the buss to do it. "You didn't say anything about women or queers." 
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Nov 23, 2016 08:37
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Paradoxish posted:Also you're going to spend a fortune defending those seats and probably lose them anyway because why vote for a Republican with a D next to their name when you can vote for one with an R? It's not always so simple. We lost in 2010 maybe 2012 a longtime Democratic congressional seat in Texas because the Democratic Rep in this overwhelmingly Hispanic district was vocally pro-life. Very liberal on most other issues but couldn't get the funding to beat off a Republican challenger and we lost the race. A perfect Democrat for the seat and not a Republican, but failed a key litmus test among big money donors in the state.
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Nov 23, 2016 08:39
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T.C. posted:What about the poor sons of bitches that live in the same building as him? Trump Tower is a pinata of people who should be up against the wall.
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Nov 23, 2016 09:12
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Democrats should run progressives in deep red territory. Not just for senate positions, but for town council, for county treasurer, for dog catcher. And the local Democrat organizations should run food drives, build shelters for homeless people, raise money for local schools. Democrats should appeal directly to the poor people in the rural south and make their case, and slowly work to win them over. A long term strategy, not a short term one which panders to the worst in people to win elections
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Nov 23, 2016 09:18
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I don't know if I missed this, but the overtime rules have been stopped in the courts anyway: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/overtime-rule-231778 Now it is 100% sure Trump will get no backlash for undoing it.
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Nov 23, 2016 09:18
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Chomskyan posted:Democrats should run progressives in deep red territory. Not just for senate positions, but for town council, for county treasurer, for dog catcher. And the local Democrat organizations should run food drives, build shelters for homeless people, raise money for local schools. Democrats should appeal directly to the poor people in the rural south and make their case, and slowly work to win them over. A long term strategy, not a short term one which panders to the worst in people to win elections The problem with this kind of "Democrats should run more progressives" is finding progressives willing to run for those offices no matter the odds. Being a candidate is a lot of lovely work and remember, the party doesn't pick the primary candidates. If progressives don't run for office, there isn't much the state or national party can do to force them. They can certainly try and recruit better candidates, but it isn't as simple as having the smoke filled back room pick the right candidate anymore.
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Nov 23, 2016 09:21
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Start a reality TV show. Pick 10 southern democrats. Put them through challenges that highlight the platform. The winner gets the full backing of the DNC to run for Congress. The show pays for itself. The candidate gets massive name recognition. There is your southern progressive revolution.
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Nov 23, 2016 09:57
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Some more good news from Slate, as always:
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Nov 23, 2016 10:23
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Oh good if it's not nuclear hellfire our children will die of measles or work-related fatality.
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Nov 23, 2016 10:32
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Some more good news from Slate, as always: quote:The president-elect introduced Ruffin to his current wife, former Miss Universe contestant Oleksandra Nikolayenko. Ruffin, then 72, married Nikolayenko, then 26, at a 2008 ceremony where Trump served as best man. 
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Nov 23, 2016 10:41
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Is it safe to hope or assume that Trump will not start an all-out trade war with China?
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Nov 23, 2016 11:21
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Grouchio posted:Is it safe to hope or assume that Trump will not start an all-out trade war with China? This seems like the only appropriate answer these days. Nothing is beyond the Cheeto Benito
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Nov 23, 2016 11:23
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zxqv8 posted:This seems like the only appropriate answer these days. Nothing is beyond the Cheeto Benito
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Nov 23, 2016 11:26
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Al-Saqr posted:Can someone please tell that wet noodle loser Obama to gently caress off of getting in the way of his own party trying to save itself from his cowardly incompetence?! wet noodle winner*
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Nov 23, 2016 11:28
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Grouchio posted:Appropriate answer from a fatalist sadbrain. What evidence do you have to suppose that he'll act reasonably when so much seems to point to the opposite being the case? Also, gently caress you.
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Nov 23, 2016 11:42
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If Obama ratfucks the progressive left out of Keith Ellison as party chair, even after the Sanders/Warren wing made absolutely no attempt to take over the leadership of the Senate or the House, I may actually, fully give up on the Democrats
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Nov 23, 2016 11:54
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shrike82 posted:This is depressing I believe she already lost the arm. Carlosologist posted:one thing that really annoys me about Trump effectively shacking up in NYC is that getting into the city will effectively be impossible whenever he's around; I read an article that said it costs NYC a million dollars a day to provide security for the Trump family. traffic is going to be worse, and you'll have poo poo like the Lincoln Tunnel closing during rush hour because Trump wants to gently caress off to New Jersey for a minute I've been thinking about that as well. What happens if we go to DEFCON Two and the President needs to be in the air? Or needs to be at Mount Weather? Or what of the other reasons for the President to be moving quickly. Trump Tower doesn't have a helipad and the terrain is too tricky for Marine One to land in anywhere but Central Park. The other thing is that it's really easy for a 9/11 style attack to decapitate the Presidency, which I'm surprised no one has told him yet. It's widely believed that the 9/11 attackers where aiming for the White House or the Capitol building but hit the Pentagon because it was the only recognizable government building they could find from the air, mostly because altitude flattens out anything under 100m high. This was before everyone had GPS on their smartphones, but even still, attackers could just aim for the southeast corner of Central Park and get lucky. Even a near miss would be hazardous because the collapse of a nearby structure like the former IBM building or Sony buildings would fall onto others or collapsing debris would weaken their base integrity much like what happen with WTC, where the collapse of the Towers ruined everything around it. Which brings us back to point one, how quickly can Trump and family evacuate out of the Trump Tower and get to "cover"? White House has a bomb shelter, has underground access via the White House Tunnel System/Captiol Subway System (which may have finally been linked), and if necessary, Marine One can land on the White House Lawn and pull them out within minutes. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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theblackw0lf posted:Nikki Haley is picked as UN ambassador As an SC resident, I can assure you this is a horrible pick. She has no foreign policy experience outside throwing hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars at multinational conglomerates for the honor of providing them with a de facto banana republic workforce. She is a corporatist in the worst sense of the word, a garden-variety 'hopes and prayers' republican on everything else, and is totally unqualified for this position. Laughable pick.
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Chomskyan posted:If Obama ratfucks the progressive left out of Keith Ellison as party chair, even after the Sanders/Warren wing made absolutely no attempt to take over the leadership of the Senate or the House, I may actually, fully give up on the Democrats It's been said a million times, but Perez is also a fine, progressive candidate. This seems to simply be a dispute about whether to go with a relative rookie who can devote themselves full-time to the job or a more experienced campaigner who might have to split their energies.
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Nov 23, 2016 12:10
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How safe is Ellison's district? It's turbo-blue, right?
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themrguy posted:How safe is Ellison's district? It's turbo-blue, right? At this point would you trust any so called blue district that didn't have a statue of Karl Marx in the town square?
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