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imma liberal i love diversity in institutions that don't affect me, also it can't be economic or political diversity smh
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temple posted:Please be nice to white people. "Well my family didn't own slaves"
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Nov 23, 2016 18:40
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temple posted:Please be nice to white people. Agreed. Hopefully you learned that idea in kindergarten and then as you grew and met other non-white people you applied the same ideas to them too! Then were able to refine your idea into "please be nice to people." Tatum Girlparts posted:"Well my family didn't own slaves" Same friend. Though that is a surprisingly common thread for 99.9% of people in the US. You know who did own slaves? The same people who are currently owning the rest of us.
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Nov 23, 2016 18:41
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Okay but gently caress neo Confederates
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Nov 23, 2016 18:41
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temple posted:Please be nice to white people. It IS good to be nice to people, no matter what the color of their skin.
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Nov 23, 2016 18:42
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Okay but gently caress neo Confederates
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Nov 23, 2016 18:45
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I have several friends who went to elite east coast prep schools + ivy leagues and their grieving process is continuing unabated, they are apparently working through their pain by sharing guardian/slate thinkpieces about how Hillary Did Nothing Wrong
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GlyphGryph posted:Yeah I think it's more accurate to say "the oppressors have traditionally been white" than to say "whites traditionally are the oppressors". Whites in general have a lot of privileges that were granted to them on the basis of their skin color, but most of them are incidental, or specifically designed to control them into acting against their own best interest. I think "oppressor" is a term that should really be reserved for those with a modicum of actual political power, and that has not generally applied to the majority of white people. Ehh, perhaps the language is too strong, but even if the majority of American whites aren't members of the capitalist class, the majority of American whites have enjoyed the benefits of subsidy at the expense of minorities in one way or another. gently caress this. How do I get involved? I live in south Texas and I legit just want to start making the world a less lovely place with my own two hands. (No I will not kill my are self)
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Nov 23, 2016 18:47
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Serf posted:Speaking as someone from a southern state, the sooner Democrats drop the gun control issue the better. I know way too many people who refused to vote for Clinton on the basis that "she wants to take our guns". Absolutely hated Trump and didn't vote for him, but also refused to vote for Democrats as well. Gun control is a losing issue for losers. There's a reason why the Blue Dog Democrats were able to hold on for as long as they did. I live in an area that votes nearly 90% for Democrats and still I know very few people who are passionate supporters of gun control beyond basic stuff like universal background checks, all of the passion is on the pro-gun side.
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Nov 23, 2016 18:48
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Heaven Spacey posted:Ehh, perhaps the language is too strong, but even if the majority of American whites aren't members of the capitalist class, the majority of American whites have enjoyed the benefits of subsidy at the expense of minorities in one way or another. Yes, historical benefits of racism still linger today. So therefore?
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LinYutang posted:I have several friends who went to elite east coast prep schools + ivy leagues and their grieving process is continuing unabated, they are apparently working through their pain by sharing guardian/slate thinkpieces about how Hillary Did Nothing Wrong 
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Nov 23, 2016 18:49
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Okay but gently caress neo Confederates It is in our best interest to insure that the victory for our cause is also in the best interest of the groups they belong to and arise from, because then they'll be a lot less inclined to continue being neo confederates and a lot less able to attract new recruits. gently caress them, but not in a way that we gently caress ourselves if it all possible. temple posted:Please be nice to white people. The hottest of takes, but you may have me confused with someone else. I don't actually advocate being nice to anyone, only against being stupid and horrible.
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Nov 23, 2016 18:49
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How much of the Democratic death-grip on the issue of gun-control comes from the affluent, white end of the party being scared of poor POC.
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Powercrazy posted:Yes, historical benefits of racism still linger today. So therefore? therefore gently caress bernie bros!!!!!!!! 
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MaxxBot posted:I live in an area that votes nearly 90% for Democrats and still I know very few people who are passionate supporters of gun control beyond basic stuff like universal background checks, all of the passion is on the pro-gun side. After we let Sandy Hook happen with little more than a collective "meh" from the government, we should've realized that battle was lost. Just drop it entirely. No need to go all-in on being pro-gun (but lol if you aren't already arming up), but just leave it at supporting the second amendment and focus on issues that aren't losers.
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GlyphGryph posted:It is in our best interest to insure that the victory for our cause is also in the best interest of the groups they belong to and arise from, because then they'll be a lot less inclined to continue being neo confederates and a lot less able to attract new recruits. Yeah I'm all for the rising tide to lift all boats, and working to make sure it actually catches everyone. But I think we're going to have drag people kicking and screaming and just hope they realize they were helped. Like I hope they realize that their candidate's administration didn't help them when it probably fails to.
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Nov 23, 2016 18:54
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Heaven Spacey posted:therefore gently caress bernie bros!!!!!!!! haha. I'm pretty sure that's what all the current Hillary supporters will draw from 2016.
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Oh Snapple! posted:How much of the Democratic death-grip on the issue of gun-control comes from the affluent, white end of the party being scared of poor POC. Well that was the genesis of Gun Control in America, so I'd say 100%.
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Nov 23, 2016 18:56
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Heaven Spacey posted:Ehh, perhaps the language is too strong, but even if the majority of American whites aren't members of the capitalist class, the majority of American whites have enjoyed the benefits of subsidy at the expense of minorities in one way or another. Of course they have, and it needs to be addressed. This does not actually make them the oppressors, though, it just makes the oppressors not-stupid.
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Oh Snapple! posted:How much of the Democratic death-grip on the issue of gun-control comes from the affluent, white end of the party being scared of poor POC. I don't think it's 100% I'm active in a community that is minority-majority and they definitely care about guns. If it was up to me, I'd shift the bulk of the debate to suicide and accident prevention.
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Nov 23, 2016 18:59
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I don't think it's 100% And enforcing current federal law that makes straw purchasing/selling illegal, and that no one even cares about investigating for some reason. quote:In June of 2000, ATF published a study of 1,530 firearms trafficking investigations conducted during the period July 1996 – December 1998. That study, Following the Gun: Enforcing Federal Laws Against Firearm Traffickers,6 found that straw purchasing was the most common channel of illegal gun trafficking, accounting for almost one-half (46%) of all investigations, and associated with nearly 26,000 illegally trafficked firearms.7 Noted bloodlust driven gun-advocate is the only politician in recent memory who has even mentioned this as an issue. Goddamn the democrats are poo poo. ate shit on live tv has issued a correction as of 19:05 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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An email last night provided further detail on the upcoming meetings in Tennessee:quote:Dear GHF, Tennessee is one of the states where Republicans have a supermajority in 33 of the state legislatures. With a total population of ~6.45 million, ~2.45 million voted in the presidential election out of the ~3.97 million registered voters (and ~3.31 million out of those being considered active). TN is also a state that contributed towards the Hillary for Victory fund, but has seen hardly anything of that used towards our own downticket races. It will be interesting to see how these meetings unfold, because the state democratic party has had some difficulty in regaining any semblance of power in local politics outside of Nashville and Memphis. Frankly, I don't know how the party elections will shape up next month, but I really feel like there needs to be some serious changes made. Gene Hackman Fan has issued a correction as of 19:14 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Nov 23, 2016 19:06
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Reminder that Bernie is probably the loudest voice pushing back against the DAPL, which is a big environmental justice issue that is significantly framed by minority demographics.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:07
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Yeah I'm all for the rising tide to lift all boats, and working to make sure it actually catches everyone. But I think we're going to have drag people kicking and screaming and just hope they realize they were helped. Like I hope they realize that their candidate's administration didn't help them when it probably fails to. "The rising tide that lifts all boats" is a supply side economics tautology. It doesn't even make loving sense on the surface, because all boats are level with the water regardless of the tide. The problem is how many people have lovely boats, or no boat at all.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:08
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:"The rising tide that lifts all boats" is a supply side economics tautology. It doesn't even make loving sense on the surface, because all boats are level with the water regardless of the tide. The problem is how many people have lovely boats, or no boat at all. Okay then a better turn of phrase. I think we're going to have to help them before we can get them to vote o be helped.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:10
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we can all look back on Clinton's genuine, passionate support of the protesters. truly inspiring and full of substance https://twitter.com/crushingbort/status/797849471816265728
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Nov 23, 2016 19:11
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hillary clinton stands on the right side of systematic minority injustice unless it inconveniences oil workers
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Nov 23, 2016 19:12
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temple posted:Please be nice to white people. Hmm I've been trying this for 34 years and it got us Donny Trump, I think it's time for a new approach.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:13
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:"The rising tide that lifts all boats" is a supply side economics tautology. It doesn't even make loving sense on the surface, because all boats are level with the water regardless of the tide. The problem is how many people have lovely boats, or no boat at all. I got some waterwings with a hole that I have to keep plugged with a piece of chewing gum, thank god this tide is coming in.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:14
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Serf posted:Speaking as someone from a southern state, the sooner Democrats drop the gun control issue the better. I know way too many people who refused to vote for Clinton on the basis that "she wants to take our guns". Absolutely hated Trump and didn't vote for him, but also refused to vote for Democrats as well. Gun control is a losing issue for losers. There's a reason why the Blue Dog Democrats were able to hold on for as long as they did. I think this election that just gave neo-nazis a win is going to make a large number of Democrats rethink gun control.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:14
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ScrubLeague posted:Hmm I've been trying this for 34 years and it got us Donny Trump, I think it's time for a new approach. This is an interesting reading and I'd be fascinated to know the reasoning behind it
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Nov 23, 2016 19:15
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Powercrazy posted:And enforcing current federal law that makes straw purchasing/selling illegal, and that no one even cares about investigating for some reason. hey remember a few years ago when the Department of Justice knowingly allowed straw purchasers for Mexican cartels to buy a poo poo ton of guns in the US and then forgot to do anything after that point that was pretty loving brilliant
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Nov 23, 2016 19:19
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You guys are doing it again!!
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U-DO Burger posted:I think this election that just gave neo-nazis a win is going to make a large number of Democrats rethink gun control. I was always the anti-gun person in my family. Now I'm brushing up on my target shooting because holy poo poo
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Nov 23, 2016 19:21
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Serf posted:Speaking as someone from a southern state, the sooner Democrats drop the gun control issue the better. I know way too many people who refused to vote for Clinton on the basis that "she wants to take our guns". Absolutely hated Trump and didn't vote for him, but also refused to vote for Democrats as well. Gun control is a losing issue for losers. There's a reason why the Blue Dog Democrats were able to hold on for as long as they did. gun control is still a very important issue imo even if it's not popular
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First magic genie lamp I find, y'all's guns are GONE. I agree there are probably other political priorities to focus on, though. loquacius posted:e: new topic, say that the Internet's current long-shot obsession actually comes to pass and it's proven that the election was hacked by Russia and the real results favor Hillary. What does that mean for the Democratic Party going forward? Do we shake off the nightmare of the past few weeks and pretend they never happened, or do we retain the lessons we learned from our soul-searching and strive to Get Better even though we're not doomed to suffer under a dictatorial buffoon for four years? In the unlikely event that Hillary somehow gets put into the Presidency after all either because Russian shenanigans are proven and/or the Electoral College does a thing, and the even more unlikely event that we survive the resulting civil war, I think there's absolutely a danger that we (as in the larger Democratic coalition who are all in this together) get complacent in our relief at dodging the apocalypse through no fault of our own. And also a danger that the lesson we learn is gently caress THE MIDWEST ANYWAY. I do think that recounts/vote audits are a good idea (both as a matter of routine course and in this specific instance as things start to look more and more fishy). Not because the election will (or should) be overturned, and certainly not to absolve Clinton of her campaign fuckups, but so that we can determine what happened and how to prevent it happening again, since there's at least a theoretical chance that there will be elections again in 2018 and 2020.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:22
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Yinlock posted:gun control is still a very important issue imo even if it's not popular Agreed, the police have access to too many of them and have too little accountability to be trusted with them. Though I don't see that as an issue anyone is willing to support.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:24
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Serf posted:Speaking as someone from a southern state, the sooner Democrats drop the gun control issue the better. I know way too many people who refused to vote for Clinton on the basis that "she wants to take our guns". Absolutely hated Trump and didn't vote for him, but also refused to vote for Democrats as well. Gun control is a losing issue for losers. There's a reason why the Blue Dog Democrats were able to hold on for as long as they did. Also the fact that when we had gun laws that were stronger they seemed to be mostly used at those fighting for either social justice or economic justice.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:29
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I'm torn because vote recounts provide that 1% hope that I can wake up from this dream but at the same time jesus christ it makes you look bad and whiny Sore/Loserman 2000
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I'm happy for any effort to resist Trump's presidency, but yeah I'll let other people fight the recount battle.
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