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Rodrigo Diaz posted:Where I think you are missing out is that they think this is good I thought it was really dark coping humor at first and the more I read the less sure I got.
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I have some questions about Jews for Jesus. Are they Christians that have adopted Jewish customs or Jews that acknowledge Jesus (or Jeshua ben Joseph) as the Messiah? Or a mix of both? How far up the Jesus tree do they go-is it just that He's the Messiah, that He's also Son of God, or do they go full "Trinity Same-and-Different-substance"? Or is it all an excuse to have two sets of holidays? Sorry if the questions sound silly, but I had a high school friend that was a JfJ, and at the time I felt like it was trying to have one's cake and eat it too.
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Jews For Jesus are basically Jews with pre-millenialist dispensationalist Southern Baptist theology. Yeah they believe in the Trinity and that Jesus was the Messiah, and they support returning all Jews to Israel in order to start the Second Coming of Christ. They're more Christian than Jewish, although they follow traditional Jewish customs like keeping kosher, celebrating Passover, etc. Now if you run into anyone saying that Christ can only be worshiped correctly through His divine name Yahshua...run. Fast. That's the Sacred Name cult.
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Nov 22, 2016 18:36
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anything interesting about this cult? i like reading about a good cult or two
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they're sprung from the same origin as the seventh-day adventists. unlike the messianics, they're pretty much all goyim, but they still think that we need to observe all the old testament laws in order to be saved. they also maintain that the original language of the new testament was aramaic, and think that the Latin name of Jesus is a false name derived from Zeus
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HEY GAL posted:anything interesting about this cult? i like reading about a good cult or two https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHvohN5zUA4
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SirPhoebos posted:I have some questions about Jews for Jesus. Are they Christians that have adopted Jewish customs or Jews that acknowledge Jesus (or Jeshua ben Joseph) as the Messiah? Or a mix of both?
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you can follow jewish customs and be christian it's whatever
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Smoking Crow posted:you can follow jewish customs and be christian it's whatever
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Bel_Canto posted:they're sprung from the same origin as the seventh-day adventists. unlike the messianics, they're pretty much all goyim, but they still think that we need to observe all the old testament laws in order to be saved. they also maintain that the original language of the new testament was aramaic, and think that the Latin name of Jesus is a false name derived from Zeus Then you get groups like Twelve Tribes or the Roberts Brethren; suffice to say "we call Him Yeshua" is usually a good sign to turn around and walk the other way.
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Ceciltron posted:It's just real weird more like. I don't mind, but I'm not a jew My Jewish friend gets mad at them
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Hoover Dam posted:Then you get groups like Twelve Tribes or the Roberts Brethren; suffice to say "we call Him Yeshua" is usually a good sign to turn around and walk the other way. Oh, the garbage eaters? That's just GBS.
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Thankfully I discovered Orthodoxy before I went down the path of "maybe I could buy a prayer shawl & learn how to lay tefillin..."
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Moscow Mule posted:Thankfully I discovered Orthodoxy before I went down the path of "maybe I could buy a prayer shawl & learn how to lay tefillin..." My interest in Judaism was one of the things that brought me to Catholicism tbh. I've sort of been considering converting to Judaism for most of my life, and then at some point as a college atheist I read some article about how the Catholic mass ritual is adapted from Jewish temple rites. And I thought, maybe there's an offshoot of Judaism that fits me better: - no cultural appropriation - religious services arguably more fun - family will understand - community likely to accept me - vastly bigger dating pool - Jesus is kinda nice I guess - holidays are already work free So off to the nearest church I went. Later I learnt about the various types of Jewish Christians, and I don't mind or anything, but if you're not from a Jewish background there's really no need to double up like that. pidan fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Catholicism is 90% cultural appropriation. And it's good.
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Ceciltron posted:It's just real weird more like. Or expedient. I live in a nation with a protestant state church, and all our farming exports( which is a lot!) are halal and kosher and have been since the 70s for marketing reasons - and the church condones this because, loosely quoted, it doesnt harm anybody to respect others worship of God.
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pidan posted:Later I learnt about the various types of Jewish Christians, and I don't mind or anything, but if you're not from a Jewish background there's really no need to double up like that. lol if u dont multiclass
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Lutha Mahtin posted:lol if u dont multiclass If being a christian worshipper of the old gods was good enough for a mighty jarl ca. 1060 it's good enough for me 
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Lutha Mahtin posted:lol if u dont multiclass Depends on the edition tbf.
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Martin Scorcese finally got to make his passion project, a movie adaptation of Shūsaku Endō's novel about Jesuit missionaries in 17th century Japan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqrgxZLd_gE Well, I'm hype
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System Metternich posted:Martin Scorcese finally got to make his passion project, a movie adaptation of Shūsaku Endō's novel about Jesuit missionaries in 17th century Japan. I am so looking forward to seeing this. An actual good Christian movie? And without spoiling anything, if Scorsese kept the same ending the novel has, evangelicals will hate it.
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The Phlegmatist posted:I am so looking forward to seeing this. An actual good Christian movie? Uh The Mission already exists
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the all-english trailer and goofy accents put me off it a bit. on the other hand how does this movie exist at all 
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StashAugustine posted:Uh The Mission already exists The Mission, Romero, Calvary uhh I think that might be it?
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speaking of movies, many years to tom hanks, medal of freedom winner and Orthodox believer
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The Phlegmatist posted:The Mission, Romero, Calvary There are plenty of good Christian films. The Vatican even has an official list. Sadly, it appears to be missing Jesus Christ Superstar, but then, nobody is perfect.
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Samuel Clemens posted:There are plenty of good Christian films. The Vatican even has an official list. It has Metropolis, though. Jesus Christ Superstar is better on stage, anyway.
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Samuel Clemens posted:There are plenty of good Christian films. The Vatican even has an official list. The movie sucked. Though better than godspell
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Paladinus posted:It has Metropolis, though. Yeah the show is amazing, the first movie (don't watch the recent one) wasn't great but man their Judas and Jesus were brilliant singers.
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Thirteen Orphans posted:Yeah the show is amazing, the first movie (don't watch the recent one) wasn't great but man their Judas and Jesus were brilliant singers. If by recent you mean the one from 2000, yeah, aesthetically it was really weird to say the least. But it had a great Caiaphas, and also my favourite rendition of this song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znz_GAqtUvQ
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Paladinus posted:If by recent you mean the one from 2000, yeah, aesthetically it was really weird to say the least. But it had a great Caiaphas, and also my favourite rendition of this song. Holy hell that was that long ago wasn't it.  about Caiaphas.
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HEY GAL posted:i goddamn hate musical theater e: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HlQja4HrVo ee: Just to be crystal clear, I do not advocate assassination, nor does ASSASSINS. Far from it. Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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quote:Raised in the Russian Orthodox tradition, director Andrei Tarkovsky once told an interviewer, "I consider myself a person of faith, but I do not want to delve into the nuances and problems of my situation, for it is not so straightforward, not so simple, and not so unambiguous." http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/julyweb-only/foftarkovsky.html It is possible that Parajanov also remained a committed christian, despite his sexual peccadilloes. I'm not sure what he believed in the end. I do know that I find the films of both Parajanov and Tarkovsky spiritually fulfilling.
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HEY GAL posted:i goddamn hate musical theater look at this wrong post here. just look at it. "gypsy" is one of the great works of american art right up there with the best of copland and ellington
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I mean, I'll take Sunday in the Park With George as my choice for transcendent musical theater. "The choice may have been mistaken, the choosing was not." It's a piece that has gotten me through some hard, dark times.
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CountFosco posted:http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/julyweb-only/foftarkovsky.html I do find it funny that the best adaptation of the Gospels was directed by an avowed atheist.
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CountFosco posted:I mean, I'll take Sunday in the Park With George as my choice for transcendent musical theater. "I've made it through Herbert and J. Edgar Hoover, Gee, that was fun and a half. Once you've made it through Herbert and J. Edgar hoover, Everything else is a laugh." Why am I not surprised that the Liturgical thread is all about Sondheim?
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CountFosco posted:I mean, I'll take Sunday in the Park With George as my choice for transcendent musical theater. The first act of SitPwG might actually be perfect. I saw it in my first year of grad school and literally wept for joy at intermission.
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