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theblackw0lf posted:Amway is now running our education department Lmao I was expecting the only pyramid scheme to be Carson getting appointed somewhere.
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They're not going to do jack poo poo with student loans, huh Except of course give kids student loans from their high school educations
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disjoe posted:They're not going to do jack poo poo with student loans, huh Anything they do with it would be awful so its better that they don't touch it.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:11
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disjoe posted:They're not going to do jack poo poo with student loans, huh They are withdrawing the Federal Government as a guarantor of Federal Student loans. Effectively raising interest rates by about 2%. It hasn't been made clear if this applies to all student loans or only newly issued ones. There was also vague talk about working with congress to reduce the burden on people who were paying student loans for more than 20 years.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:13
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disjoe posted:They're not going to do jack poo poo with student loans, huh The "vouchers" for k-12 private schools will be loans.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:13
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I wouldn't be so quick to say " they're not going to.." cause so far he's creating the Bad News Bears if political appointments
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Young Freud posted:That's what they mean by "exploring the solar system by the end of the century". Trump's leaving that for 80 years for other Presidents. I did say a while back that we're headed for the Expanse future, not the Culture future.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:14
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Hollismason posted:We are not build space arks , we are not exploring more, we are just going to die as a species. If its any consolation, the Congressional interests in human spaceflight are all still in office and more powerful than ever (and on all the appropriations committees importantly). They'll probably preserve at least their big budget programs, and a few of them have a real hard-on for Europa. I don't know what else could be counted on, but I'm pretty sure that exploration will continue to get funded just due to the entrenched GOP interests and power in that area who have been just ignoring proposed cuts to that area for the last few years. Probably no big plans or steps forward though, and we're going to have to be picking up the pieces of this for a long time. (The legacy of W's policy for human spaceflight was such a disaster that we had just been getting out of too) 
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Nov 23, 2016 19:15
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Okan170 posted:If its any consolation, the Congressional interests in human spaceflight are all still in office and more powerful than ever (and on all the appropriations committees importantly). They'll probably preserve at least their big budget programs, and a few of them have a real hard-on for Europa. I don't know what else could be counted on, but I'm pretty sure that exploration will continue to get funded just due to the entrenched GOP interests and power in that area who have been just ignoring proposed cuts to that area for the last few years. Probably no big plans or steps forward though, and we're going to have to be picking up the pieces of this for a long time. (The legacy of W's policy for human spaceflight was such a disaster that we had just been getting out of too) All these worlds are Trump's, except Europa. Attempt no landing there.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:18
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Trump is going to gently caress the climate over so he can make a loving Snowpiercer train for him and his cronies (and a buncha bug eating slaves)
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Back when Bloomberg appointed that Cathie Black as Chancellor of NY Schools, NY Daily News got a hold of the emails from that 3-month poo poo show:quote:The emails show that in the days after Bloomberg appointed Black as chancellor in November 2010, city officials quickly mobilized to drum up support for the former media exec, who had no experience in education and needed a special waiver from the state to qualify for the job.
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Okan170 posted:If its any consolation, the Congressional interests in human spaceflight are all still in office and more powerful than ever (and on all the appropriations committees importantly). They'll probably preserve at least their big budget programs, and a few of them have a real hard-on for Europa. I don't know what else could be counted on, but I'm pretty sure that exploration will continue to get funded just due to the entrenched GOP interests and power in that area who have been just ignoring proposed cuts to that area for the last few years. Probably no big plans or steps forward though, and we're going to have to be picking up the pieces of this for a long time. (The legacy of W's policy for human spaceflight was such a disaster that we had just been getting out of too) Congress has been trying the past few years to end funding to some of the long running lunar and Mars exploration probes (Oppy, LRO, and a few others) and not funding a replacement. The only reason congress likes a Europa lander is because it would require the SLS, which gives a fuckton of money and jobs to their states. They're not interested in the science (for the most part).
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Nov 23, 2016 19:24
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They are withdrawing the Federal Government as a guarantor of Federal Student loans. Effectively raising interest rates by about 2%. It hasn't been made clear if this applies to all student loans or only newly issued ones.  won't this just crash the entire industry? Who does this benefit?e: I'm a loving moron, but I'm keeping my dumbass obvious question here for posterity
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Nov 23, 2016 19:28
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Spaced God posted:Congress has been trying the past few years to end funding to some of the long running lunar and Mars exploration probes (Oppy, LRO, and a few others) and not funding a replacement. The only reason congress likes a Europa lander is because it would require the SLS, which gives a fuckton of money and jobs to their states. They're not interested in the science (for the most part). Exactly, but at least its something.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:28
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Okan170 posted:Exactly, but at least its something. Something that doesn't matter and won't provide any tangible benefit to us before we're wiped out.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:31
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disjoe posted:
It benefits creditors, like almost everything else that's lovely about our society.
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Huh https://twitter.com/ajjaffe/status/801488932747837440
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Huzanko posted:It benefits creditors, like almost everything else that's lovely about our society. Yeah and later the industry will crash as students default and no one is paying the bills. Then suddenly it's impossible to afford college without your family having a bunch of cash up front.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:33
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Okan170 posted:Exactly, but at least its something. "Yo, we tried to launch the SLS to go to Europa for the first time out of Kennedy but we couldn't" Why? "well earth sciences has no funding so we couldn't accurately measure the cat 6 hurricane about to hit us. Also the sea level rose and claimed most of the complex. But we still have a rocket that was built in the great state of Alabama and Georgia and Florida and.... "
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Nov 23, 2016 19:35
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:poo poo is hosed but it can be helped in 2020. You guys are acting like Trump is now our eternal dictator. No one is acting that way, but unrealistic optimism doesn't help get anything done. The problem here is that we moved the ball a few yards forward when we had it, but Republicans are planning to take the ball, leave the stadium, drive twenty miles in the wrong direction, encase it in concrete, and then bury it a hundred feet down. Republicans don't buy into the incrementalist philosophy that a lot of Democrats do and they aren't loving around when it comes to the level of regressive policy that they intend to pass. This isn't going to be the Republican version of Obama's first two years. The Republicans will pass their agenda and nothing short of a decade long permanent Democratic majority is going to undo the damage.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:35
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Democracy being saved from Trump by Jill loving Stein would be the best thing ever.
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readingatwork posted:Democracy being saved from Trump by Jill loving Stein would be the best thing ever.
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If there's somehow enough evidence to say something hosed happened in those states, what then? Do they just throw out the known hosed votes or do a do over vote?
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Jonas Albrecht posted:This recount poo poo has me on edge and I don't even know why. I'm more worried about conclusive proof of election fraud/foreign involvement after Trump is already sworn in than this recount stuff in all honesty. I don't even know where we'd go from there.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:38
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This is a loving senseless world.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:This recount poo poo has me on edge and I don't even know why. Because if it were proved that Russia had hacked American voting machines to throw the presidency to their pet candidate, this would be an international incident on the level of 9/11 - an attack by a foreign power at the heart of US democracy.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:39
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Spaced God posted:If there's somehow enough evidence to say something hosed happened in those states, what then? Do they just throw out the known hosed votes or do a do over vote? Even if voter fraud gave Trump the election, there is basically no way the media or Republicans would let anyone stop him.
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I don't see how that's such a big deal. The recount probably won't go anywhere.
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disjoe posted:Yeah and later the industry will crash as students default and no one is paying the bills. If the Student Loan industry is destined to collapse from a catastrophic delinquency rate and all debtors being unable to pay off the loan for their entire lives, then it is actually a smart move for the federal government and tax payers to back out of being a guarantor. That won't happen though and the end result is higher interest rates for borrowers and student loans just dragging on for 6-10 extra years of payments for most people.
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Spaced God posted:If there's somehow enough evidence to say something hosed happened in those states, what then? Do they just throw out the known hosed votes or do a do over vote? A do over vote would be hilarious.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:40
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Spaced God posted:If there's somehow enough evidence to say something hosed happened in those states, what then? Do they just throw out the known hosed votes or do a do over vote? The official vote count will reflect the most accurate total of valid votes. If this changes who the state's electors are supposed to vote for, nobody knows what would happen. And we're not likely to find out because it's very unlikely Stein will get the money.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:40
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Even better, Betsy DeVos is Erik Prince's (crazy founder of Blackwater or whatever it is called now) sister
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Nov 23, 2016 19:41
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Ahahahahaha maybe she feels remorse for blithely announcing that Trump would be preferable to Clinton now that it's actually happening and environmentalism is burning down around her ears.
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Nov 23, 2016 19:43
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Spaced God posted:If there's somehow enough evidence to say something hosed happened in those states, what then? Do they just throw out the known hosed votes or do a do over vote? My understanding is that the popular vote is intended primarily to guide the elector college, but they're not bound by it. So in the event of a misvote, that's really just 'electors do what you want'. Aka total chaos and a constitutional crisis.
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Paradoxish posted:No one is acting that way, but unrealistic optimism doesn't help get anything done. The problem here is that we moved the ball a few yards forward when we had it, but Republicans are planning to take the ball, leave the stadium, drive twenty miles in the wrong direction, encase it in concrete, and then bury it a hundred feet down. Republicans don't buy into the incrementalist philosophy that a lot of Democrats do and they aren't loving around when it comes to the level of regressive policy that they intend to pass. This isn't going to be the Republican version of Obama's first two years. The Republicans will pass their agenda and nothing short of a decade long permanent Democratic majority is going to undo the damage. nothing new under the sun, etc, etc https://mobile.twitter.com/CoreyRobin/status/797788764647157760
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BarbarianElephant posted:Because if it were proved that Russia had hacked American voting machines to throw the presidency to their pet candidate, this would be an international incident on the level of 9/11 - an attack by a foreign power at the heart of US democracy. pretty much but since it pretty much didn't happen, and most of the substance of it is Alex Jones level poo poo, you should probably be more concerned that this is right-Democrats re-coalescing around their new rallying cause of a Cold War drumbeat gon be a real fun decade when Gingrich wants HUAC back and the Clintonites want a Cuban Missile Crisis
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disjoe posted:Yeah and later the industry will crash as students default and no one is paying the bills. It's almost like, that's exactly their plan! The elites don't want you to be educated; that's what "school choice" is about.
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Paradoxish posted:No one is acting that way, but unrealistic optimism doesn't help get anything done. The problem here is that we moved the ball a few yards forward when we had it, but Republicans are planning to take the ball, leave the stadium, drive twenty miles in the wrong direction, encase it in concrete, and then bury it a hundred feet down. Republicans don't buy into the incrementalist philosophy that a lot of Democrats do and they aren't loving around when it comes to the level of regressive policy that they intend to pass. This isn't going to be the Republican version of Obama's first two years. The Republicans will pass their agenda and nothing short of a decade long permanent Democratic majority is going to undo the damage. "Evil will always win, because good is dumb." Also, incrementalists are fans of it because it means giving enough to seem enlightened and progressive but not giving enough so that it affects your balance sheets; that's why the DNC loves it - they love some Wall St. dick in their mouth.
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