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A Wizard of Goatse posted:pretty much Friend, Russian meddling in American elections is inarguable. The only question at this stage is the scale, from "selectively releasing dirty laundry on one candidate and one candidate only" to "tampering with voter registration" to "straight up tampering with the vote" (personally I'm extremely dubious of the last one; the previous two are fairly well supported).
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Oxxidation posted:This is a loving senseless world. Agreed. Let us walk hand in hand into the ocean.
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New CNN / ORC Poll - For the first time since 2004, the Republican Party has a higher net favorability than the Democratic Party. - Obama is at his second highest approval rating of his Presidency. - Trump's net approval rating has gone up 11 points since he won the election. - He's still at a net negative, but he is getting close to 50/50. America loves Obama and Trump; thinks both parties are bad, but the Republicans are slightly better. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/11/22/rel20b.-.trump.and.obama.pdf
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:New CNN / ORC Poll I think that the obvious answer is that America favors change candidates no matter how good or bad.
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this might be the most insufferably stupid honeymoon period in the history of electoral politics
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David Simon on twitter was making a case that it's reasonable to ask for the voter fraud to be looked into given the validity of claims emerging, couching it as "this is a very civil and justified inquery". I responded saying that if we were in the reverse, where Hillary has the EC votes and Trump had the pop vote as they stand now, and similarly weighted allegations of fraud came up, the other side would have drawn blood over it by now. He told me in so many words that I'm crazy, but am I? One of my top concerns in the days/hours before the election results was that trump's base would have openly defied the results (that we were expecting), so if it had resulted in where we are now they would have lashed out in many violent acts, isolated or no.
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Ice Phisherman posted:I think that the obvious answer is that America favors change candidates no matter how good or bad. So the 100% best way to win the presidency is to look like the biggest anarchist on the podium? OK Berniebros. You were right. Your guy was the best.
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Huzanko posted:"Evil will always win, because good is dumb." Well its more that neoliberals are fine with people starving as long as Goldman sachs sports a rainbow flag. Also leon its called a honeymoon. We'll see how long it lasts.
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Bhaal posted:He told me in so many words that I'm crazy, but am I? One of my top concerns in the days/hours before the election results was that trump's base would have openly defied the results (that we were expecting), so if it had resulted in where we are now they would have lashed out in many violent acts, isolated or no. no youre absolutely correct - if there were even the slightest hint of verifiable voter fraud contributing to a Clinton win, the entire GOP power structure would be screaming for her immediate arrest and execution.
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BarbarianElephant posted:So the 100% best way to win the presidency is to look like the biggest anarchist on the podium? OK Berniebros. You were right. Your guy was the best. Bernie's nothing close to an anarchist 
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Ice Phisherman posted:I think that the obvious answer is that America favors change candidates no matter how good or bad. The answer is all candidates are bad, the status quo is bad, and Americans desire any change because of it
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Condiv posted:Bernie's nothing close to an anarchist Closer than Mrs Establishment and Mr Billionaire.
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Quorum posted:Friend, Russian meddling in American elections is inarguable. The only question at this stage is the scale, from "selectively releasing dirty laundry on one candidate and one candidate only" to "tampering with voter registration" to "straight up tampering with the vote" (personally I'm extremely dubious of the last one; the previous two are fairly well supported). the last one is the one I'm talking about, the one that'd be a serious attack on the American political system, and the one that a recount or whatever would address. Airing dirty on the lady who wanted to start a war with them still leaves her having lost the election, which is what the folks yelling red terror don't want to accept, and isn't a terribly strong position to drum up outrage on anyway - they just exposed a sleaze and won the war only she wanted without anyone having to die. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Getting funding for this should be the easiest thing in the world. However, Jill Stein is in charge.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:New CNN / ORC Poll I feel like the Republicans are getting a Trump bump and that'll wear off real soon once they realize they're going to be cutting their paychecks, Medicare, et cetera. But the whole "We love Trump AND Obama" stuff doesn't really surprise me. People like charismatics candidates for change. Of course, Trump is a incestuous freak thief and Obama is just a bland centrist, but they have that image and that works for them. I'd be worried if, after he assumes the presidency and does his dumb 100 days poo poo and whatever inevitable petty conflict he will get into with someone else, his approval rating goes up then. But for now, I'm just annoyed that people are so loving easy to trick these days.
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Spacebump posted:Getting funding for this should be the easiest thing in the world. However, Jill Stein is in charge. How much money are we talking?
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Bhaal posted:David Simon on twitter was making a case that it's reasonable to ask for the voter fraud to be looked into given the validity of claims emerging, couching it as "this is a very civil and justified inquery". Trump's basest supporters have drawn blood over winning, so it's not a huge leap to say they would have drawn blood over a variety of situations. They are currently lashing out in (arguably isolated) violent acts.
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TL;DR Americans are dumb as poo poo and deserve everything they get
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paranoid randroid posted:this might be the most insufferably stupid honeymoon period in the history of electoral politics He'll get more of a honeymoon than Hillary would have. Which is just all kinds of wrong.
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theblackw0lf posted:He'll get more of a honeymoon than Hillary would have. Which is just all kinds of wrong. Hillary Clinton, one of the most powerful and priveleged people in the entire world for probably your entire lifetime, is horribly oppressed even in counterfactuals, and it is very important to remind everyone of this at every turn.
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Team Rocket is going to use vouchers to make the entire public school system work like post-secondary education. I hope my kid excels at University of Phoenix Middle School, assuming I can make the payment gap between the voucher and tuition.
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TheScott2K posted:Team Rocket is going to use vouchers to make the entire public school system work like post-secondary education. I hope my kid excels at University of Phoenix Middle School, assuming I can make the payment gap between the voucher and tuition. It's gonna be like busing but in reverse
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It's the immediate post-election honeymoon period, no poo poo his numbers will be high. We're in the period where his supporters are most energized, the media is as kind and optimistic about his potential presidency as ever, and he hasn't entered the office to gently caress up peoples' lives or disappoint his supporters yet. If we're a year into his presidency and his numbers are still looking good, then I'll be worried.
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haveblue posted:The official vote count will reflect the most accurate total of valid votes. If this changes who the state's electors are supposed to vote for, nobody knows what would happen. And we're not likely to find out because it's very unlikely Stein will get the money. Maybe Mark Cuban will pitch in.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:New CNN / ORC Poll Don't see anything about Trump's net approval in there, but the numbers for his personal characteristics are terrible for a newly elected president - 46/54 on "cares about people like you", 41/57 on "is honest and trustworthy", 33/66 on "is a person you admire". Even his best numbers are just barely breaking even (49/49 on "can bring the kind of change the country needs", 50/49 on "can manage the government effectively").
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:It's gonna be like busing but in reverse It's basically going to end with poor kids being even worse off after the only private schools that tuition-match the voucher end up being for-profit race-to-the-bottom Poverty Industry scum like the payday loan industry. And middle class families will now pay additional tuition to the better schools in town instead of just sending their kids to the halfway-decent school in their zone. The household budget going toward that sure as hell won't be used to build a college fund for their kids now. The remaining public schools will basically just be a prison orientation. You'd think we would learn from how "the market" has under-served at risk populations in post secondary. I can practically see the Frontline episode five years from now. "For profit educators faced an uncertain future after Obama, but then came Trump..."
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DaveWoo posted:Don't see anything about Trump's net approval in there, but the numbers for his personal characteristics are terrible for a newly elected president - 46/54 on "cares about people like you", 41/57 on "is honest and trustworthy", 33/66 on "is a person you admire". Even his best numbers are just barely breaking even (49/49 on "can bring the kind of change the country needs", 50/49 on "can manage the government effectively"). And those "can manage the govt effectively" numbers will probably crest before he takes office.
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HorseRenoir posted:It's the immediate post-election honeymoon period, no poo poo his numbers will be high. We're in the period where his supporters are most energized, the media is as kind and optimistic about his potential presidency as ever, and he hasn't entered the office to gently caress up peoples' lives or disappoint his supporters yet. If we're a year into his presidency and his numbers are still looking good, then I'll be worried. It's gonna be real interesting to see how the second one pans out given his new hobby of going to visit the establishment press so he can yell at them in person poo poo they might actually fawn harder
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DaveWoo posted:Don't see anything about Trump's net approval in there, but the numbers for his personal characteristics are terrible for a newly elected president - 46/54 on "cares about people like you", 41/57 on "is honest and trustworthy", 33/66 on "is a person you admire". Even his best numbers are just barely breaking even (49/49 on "can bring the kind of change the country needs", 50/49 on "can manage the government effectively"). The CNN article mentions that Trump's approval / disapproval / no opinion ratio is at 46/46/8. A net +0 Up from 37/61/2 (net -24) in October. The most baffling thing is not how much his approval has gone up, but that apparently 6% of people have moved to "no opinion" in the last month.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The CNN article mentions that Trump's approval / disapproval / no opinion ratio is at 46/46/8. A net +0 I mean, anyone who says they know what Trump will do is wrong, so "no opinion" kinda makes sense.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Closer than Mrs Establishment and Mr Billionaire. How? Do you even know what anarchy is?
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Unzip and Attack posted:Normalization of previously unheard of/unconscionable events and ideas is a hell of a thing. George Orwell ain't poo poo I'm not holding out hope.
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Also, just lol that more Americans think Trump is more likely to heal racial divides and bring needed change to America than Obama. "Obama was supposed to end racism! He must be to blame since it still exists. Noted non-racist Donald Trump will likely do better." - 51% of Americans.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Also, just lol that more Americans think Trump is more likely to heal racial divides and bring needed change to America than Obama. It has brought white americans back together.
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Mr Hootington posted:https://twitter.com/ajjaffe/status/801507166247124997  It totally is remorse, she's looking down at the blood on her hands and looking for ways to get the drat spot out. Turns out the Green Party candidate shouldn't have openly stated that the candidate who would eliminate climate research was the better one.
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