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Vox Nihili posted:shes not a terrible person, and hating her personally is weird She handed the entire country over to the Republicans. What you just wrote was true before the 8th.
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Vox Nihili posted:shes not a terrible person, and hating her personally is weird She completely gutted the dnc on the national level, and packed them with single minded people like dws who said "gently caress Everything Else. It's Her Turn". This in turn lead to a complete GOP takeover (even if she would have won president). Hillary is personally to blame for that. So yes she is a terrible person.
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iospace posted:It's a bit hard when the House absolutely refuses to even hear any of your bills, and even then in the 2 years he did have time to do something we had Joe loving Lieberman He never called them out on this or at lest if he did not enough
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Nonsense posted:She handed the entire country over to the Republicans. What you just wrote was true before the 8th. she did that by way of incompetence, that's not the same as being a terrible person, which implies that she acted with malice
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and from a tactical point of view, an endless hillary witch-hunt is only going to alienate her fans. yes, they exist, and yes, we need them on board theres plenty of blame to go around without making it personal
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She voted for the Iraq war. She's a disgusting monster.
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I don't want a witch hunt I want a dem party that wins elections
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bump_fn posted:He never called them out on this or at lest if he did not enough He also didn't do things he as president, had the power to do. Ending the federal war on drugs is 100% in his power, but it won't happen. Addressing the nation about congressional votes he disagrees with us within his power. He had strong opinions on the bill to allow Saudi Arabia to be sued for 9/11, too bad he didn't seem to care about any of the previous votes.
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bump_fn posted:I don't want a witch hunt I want a dem party that wins elections
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Powercrazy posted:She completely gutted the dnc on the national level, and packed them with single minded people like dws who said "gently caress let me guess let me guess You think Bernie would have won the primary of the DNC was completely neutral Man, I can't get over those three debate question answers that she got leaked. Such groundbreaking material that changed the minds of 3 million people.
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The problem now isn't HRC, it's the #HillaryMen (and women) still in positions of authority in the party who would rather burn it down around them than cede their power to leftists. poo poo-talking HRC is only useful insofar as it destroys the credibility of these people and aids in marginalizing and sidelining them, which needs to happen.
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bump_fn posted:I don't want a witch hunt I want a dem party that wins elections
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Vox Nihili posted:she did that by way of incompetence, that's not the same as being a terrible person, which implies that she acted with malice She is not a loving doddering old abuela. She knew exactly what she was doing. She didn't care. It was all worth it for the feather in her cap.
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Hey did you guys know that she killed Vince Foster and Seth Rich? Man what a horrid person. Also she stood in between the presidency and some dude that renamed like 3 post offices or something.
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Vox Nihili posted:thats definitely part of it, though i think "change" is putting it very broadly. youve gotta feed each faction in your coalition some meat, and the "working class" faction starved. it wasnt just whites, her advantage in some extremely poor, extremely latino (95%) areas was also slimmer than obama's Yeah, it's more than just 'change'. HRC was a bad candidate who had trouble energizing her base, and her campaign was run by a dummy.
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zegermans posted:let me guess let me guess 
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bump_fn posted:I don't want a witch hunt I want a dem party that wins elections part of that may require witch hunts, cause there's still a lot of hill folk who need to be disabused of the notion that the clintons are good democrats or can win elections i don't ever want to see chelsea clinton as a candidate. the family needs to be wiped from our party
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zegermans posted:let me guess let me guess if the DNC wasn't staffed by people who reported directly to clinton then a bunch of other people would have run and possibly some reasonably charismatic and effective person might have won bernie wasnt even that strong of a candidate, being "better than clinton" is damning with faint praise to a brutal degree
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Vox Nihili posted:if the DNC wasn't staffed by people who reported directly to clinton then a bunch of other people would have run and possibly some reasonably charismatic and effective person might have won Weird because this massive conspiracy didn't stop Obama? Maybe there wasn't some mystery candidate that satisfied every line of the leftist Ahnenpass.
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Montasque posted:It seems everyone ran a bad campaign except Trump... She still could have squeezed by with a win on this election if she had remembered what Donald Trump knows: that politics are a social game where you have to sell people on an ideal. Instead Clinton embraced the technocratic fishmechian school, where you compromise your position before negotiations even start, in favor of expertly calibrated policy structures, means-tested and micro-targeted to achieve the best outcome at maximum efficiency possible. And you're an idiot for expecting anything better. Then they fed the expertly crafted model bad data, oops. They galvanized a massive part of the electorate by calling them deplorable, woopsie-daisy. They suppressed their own turnout by constantly punching left and making overtures to the worst bloodthirsty elements of the Republican party. People don't care about what's "realistic," and they don't care about efficiency. They want to vote for an agenda that's in line with their values, and the Clinton campaign predicated its success on relying on voters to compromise their values out of fear of the other. They also want to trust that the person they're voting for will attempt to carry out that agenda in good faith. Trump's voters couldn't really trust him because he has no political track record, but the fact that he didn't have a political background was enough of an opening to throw the craps and pray that he follows through. Democratic voters had no reason to expect that Clinton would follow through on "the most progressive agenda in American history." Because she had spent the last 30 years publicly opposing it. Her highly qualified & experienced political career was a liability, because her political career was awful. There are still Clinton fans who moan about how she tried passing universal healthcare during the 90s, but Clintoncare was basically a mandate which would have forced employers to provide health insurance. Her politics were bad then, and they were bad today. Hillary Clinton was bad. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 00:28 on Nov 24, 2016 |
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zegermans posted:Also she stood in between the presidency and some dude that renamed like 3 post offices or something. yeah, it's easy to think hillary's a bad person after her campaign against obama in 2008
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remember that politics is v local Locally you may or may not need a witch hunt. If you don't , don't alienate people If you do please do it with compassion because you might be able to flip some of them
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Powercrazy posted:She is not a loving doddering old abuela. She knew exactly what she was doing. She didn't care. It was all worth it for the feather in her cap. politician wants more power, news at 11!!! get this: she thought she was going to win. most people think highly of themselves. she didnt think she was a bad choice, and she wasnt knowingly poisoning the party. it just turns out shes actually really, really bad at the whole thing
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zegermans posted:Weird because this massive conspiracy didn't stop Obama? Maybe there wasn't some mystery candidate that satisfied every line of the leftist Ahnenpass. clinton consolidated the party directly behind her during the obama years. this isnt a conspiracy, the people running everything worked for her immediately prior to taking their dnc jobs it just wasnt like that in the 2008 primary. she had a lot of say in the party at that point, but it wasnt nearly as monolithic
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zegermans posted:On a scale of 1 to 10, how happy are you that Trump's new segregationist AG will be stripping rights from those uppity women that interrupted St. Bernard to point out that racism does real? gently caress off no one is happy trump won but he did so you have to make lemonade Also gently caress off
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zegermans posted:On a scale of 1 to 10, how happy are you that Trump's new segregationist AG will be stripping rights from those uppity women that interrupted St. Bernard to point out that racism does real? someday you will realize how bad you are at posting & politics and repent.
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yall fallin for some ez ez stuff yall, chill it.
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Hillery Clinton passed away on November 9th 2016. Can we move on?
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Another reason to support Keith
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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:Hillery Clinton passed away on November 9th 2016. Can we move on? No, she must be punished. Punished for running and ruining everything. Punished for those poor economically anxious people that can't seem to use google to figure out why coal isn't viable. Why yes I did write in Bernie why do you ask? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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zegermans posted:No, she must be punished. Punished for running and ruining everything. Punished for those poor economically anxious people that can't seem to use google to figure out why coal isn't viable. Why yes I did write in Bernie why do you ask? every time a democrat attacks the electorate we get a little further from winning.
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Fighting old fights is dumb and should get a probe in this thread This thread is about salvaging
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zegermans posted:On a scale of 1 to 10, how happy are you that Trump's new segregationist AG will be stripping rights from those uppity women that interrupted St. Bernard to point out that racism does real? You are projecting pretty hard bro. Your Abeula lost and her hubris is going to roll back a lot of social progress. Fortunately a few of the big wins will stay. Much to your chagrin I'm sure.
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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:Hillery Clinton passed away on November 9th 2016. Can we move on? On the other hand, several scholars have noted that Hillary's relationship to her cult was, like Obama's, not so much psychologically invested as complicated. There is the oft-cited but perhaps apocryphal story of a Hillary conversation with Chelsea, who said, "But I am a Clinton too." Hillary is said to have replied, "No, you're not.... You're not Clinton and I'm not Clinton," and pointing to a portrait of herself, "That is Clinton." 
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:On the other hand, several scholars have noted that Hillary's relationship to her cult was, like Obama's, not so much psychologically invested as complicated. There is the oft-cited but perhaps apocryphal story of a Hillary conversation with Chelsea, who said, "But I am a Clinton too." Hillary is said to have replied, "No, you're not.... You're not Clinton and I'm not Clinton," and pointing to a portrait of herself, "That is Clinton." quotations from the little blue book
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Baloogan posted:Unenviable.
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