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Venom Snake posted:You can in fact give people something to vote for while decrying your opponent. If you have a huge image problem with appearing consistent or honest then maybe being frank about your opponents would be a step in the right direction instead of "this is only slightly not okay". One of Hill's biggest problems during the campaign is she kept chasing Republican votes instead of democratic votes. yeah, though to be honest hillary had an easy path to being considered honest, and that was releasing the wall street transcripts. she refused to do that for obvious reasons (it would've sunk her campaign and rightfully so), but it hurt her more than she thought it would imo
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Nov 23, 2016 23:25
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Venom Snake posted:EDIT: It's an extension of the fact that she kept saying everything is getting better or is fine. It turned off people whose economic situation is getting worse and people whose social situation is still garbage. The campaign often came off as nothing but elevator music. SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Trying to peel R voters dove tails with taking D votes for granted, the core problem.
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Nov 23, 2016 23:25
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Guy Goodbody posted:Find some big stupid positive message and stick to it. Hope and Change. Make America Great Again. Hammer those relentlessly, even if Hillary Clinton says that's idealistic and impossible. That seems to be a winning strategy! You are not going to get Republicans to vote for you. Ever. You can get people who didn't vote, crossed the isle maybe once or twice. But Trump proved every R will always come home and chasing them is pointless. I agree with the positive message thing.
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Nov 23, 2016 23:26
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I agree with this dude, at least insofar as only having watched 2 of his videos. His example of talking to a group of self-described leftists unwilling to talk to the 80000 people who go the football stadium and the sports bar is exactly the mutual bubbles we need to pierce.
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Nov 23, 2016 23:26
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Notice to future dem campaigns: Yes Stronger Together is poo poo. Here are slogans to use next time: - Let's Get To Work - Ready To Lead - Time To Get It Right If you find a candidate with some crazy balls and charisma? - Don't get fooled again Or comedy option: - Everything That Guy Said Was Bullshit (with picture of smiling Joe Pesci in Cousin Vinny attire)
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Nov 23, 2016 23:26
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Condiv posted:yeah, though to be honest hillary had an easy path to being considered honest, and that was releasing the wall street transcripts. she refused to do that for obvious reasons (it would've sunk her campaign, rightfully so), but it hurt her more than she thought it would imo Hillary also could've appeared honest by not supporting the Iraq War before being opposed to it, not championing TPP before being tepidly opposed to it, and not suddenly supporting gay marriage the exact second it became more politically harmful for her to oppose it than to support it. I gotta be honest, dude, I don't think there's any good way for Clinton to appear honest.
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Nov 23, 2016 23:28
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Condiv posted:yeah, though to be honest hillary had an easy path to being considered honest, and that was releasing the wall street transcripts. she refused to do that for obvious reasons (it would've sunk her campaign and rightfully so), but it hurt her more than she thought it would imo What I don't understand is if Hillary was so well vetted why weren't these transcripts considered as a liability?
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Powercrazy posted:What I don't understand is if Hillary was so well vetted why weren't these transcripts considered as a liability? the vetting process was the dem establishment saying "well she got second place in the 2008 primary so clearly we have to make sure she's next in line"
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Nov 23, 2016 23:29
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Guy Goodbody posted:I gotta be honest, dude, I don't think there's any good way for Clinton to appear honest. This is because she isn't an honest person.
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Nov 23, 2016 23:30
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Venom Snake posted:You are not going to get Republicans to vote for you. Ever. Negative campaigning pretty much only drives down turnout, but there's a limit. When Republicans literally believe that the Muslim family across the street is planning jihad, they're going to vote like their life depends on it. Vote [Democratic Candidate] 2020 The life you save could be your own.
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Nov 23, 2016 23:30
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Condiv posted:yeah, though to be honest hillary had an easy path to being considered honest, and that was releasing the wall street transcripts. she refused to do that for obvious reasons (it would've sunk her campaign and rightfully so), but it hurt her more than she thought it would imo Also, "We need to overturn Citizens United and make sure Americans' voices are heard in our elections and not the corporate donors." *runs a campaign with a SuperPAC spending billions in corporate donations*
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Nov 23, 2016 23:32
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Guy Goodbody posted:Hillary also could've appeared honest by not supporting the Iraq War before being opposed to it, not championing TPP before being tepidly opposed to it, and not suddenly supporting gay marriage the exact second it became more politically harmful for her to oppose it than to support it. those other ones she probably could've gotten away with. her wallstreet speeches were too recent and tied to an economic catastrophe. i dunno how she thought she could make a bunch of money in paid speeches to these groups and that no-one would ask what she said
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Nov 23, 2016 23:34
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Subjunctivitis posted:Also, To be fair she was the first person against citizens united
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Nov 23, 2016 23:36
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bump_fn posted:the vetting process was the dem establishment saying "well she got second place in the 2008 primary so clearly we have to make sure she's next in line" Fun Fact: This election is the second time Hillary has won the popular vote while losing in delegates/EV's. 
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Nov 23, 2016 23:36
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Fullhouse posted:I think this is the biggest lesson for me from this election, rhetorically: nobody loving cares if you're right
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Nov 23, 2016 23:37
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Fullhouse posted:I think this is the biggest lesson for me from this election, rhetorically: nobody loving cares if you're right I can't believe fishmech's entire life is a lie
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Nov 23, 2016 23:38
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LinYutang posted:little known fact: barack obama won two elections by scremaing "I'M INTERSECTIONAL' at a bunch of iowa farmers
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Nov 23, 2016 23:39
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:To be fair she was the first person against citizens united she flip-flopped like crazy so it's not hard to imagine she warmed up to the decision when she's taking bagfulls of rich donor money. it's also really ironic that her and her supporters insisted that all these
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Nov 23, 2016 23:39
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Yeah knowing about the inner workings of her campaign I think she would only go against it if she thought gop still had advantage with mega donors. But another silver lining is that yes now we know that sort of money isn't required
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Nov 23, 2016 23:42
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:I can't believe fishmech's entire life is a lie the worst part is fishmech is rarely right!
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Nov 23, 2016 23:44
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Yeah knowing about the inner workings of her campaign I think she would only go against it if she thought gop still had advantage with mega donors. there's a whole lot of political thought that got torn to shreds by this election
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Nov 23, 2016 23:44
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Yeah knowing about the inner workings of her campaign I think she would only go against it if she thought gop still had advantage with mega donors. 
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Nov 23, 2016 23:44
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Condiv posted:she flip-flopped like crazy so it's not hard to imagine she warmed up to the decision when she's taking bagfulls of rich donor money. it's also really ironic that her and her supporters insisted that all these i mean if she used the money properly, she might have actually won. spending money in texas, la, nyc were all terrible dumb moves lol
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Nov 23, 2016 23:45
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also like whatever millions she spent on like the 20 people running her campaign and the 20 consulting firms she probably used
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anime was right posted:also like whatever millions she spent on like the 20 people running her campaign and the 20 consulting firms she probably used and whatever she blew on poo poo like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H51HuNX41Fg
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Nov 23, 2016 23:47
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Schnorkles posted:there's a whole lot of political thought that got torn to shreds by this election Feels more and more like she ran a very very bad low energy campaign which cost her the election instead of reality breaking or w/e. Trump got less votes than McCain did and Hillary is on track to preform better than Obama did in 2012 with the popular vote. So maybe next time not run your campaign with morons like Mook in charge and play it safe with fortifying your strongholds instead of not doing that because reverse psychology.
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Nov 23, 2016 23:49
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Venom Snake posted:Feels more and more like she ran a very very bad low energy campaign which cost her the election instead of reality breaking or w/e. Trump got less votes than McCain did and Hillary is on track to preform better than Obama did in 2012 with the popular vote. So maybe next time not run your campaign with morons like Mook in charge and play it safe with fortifying your strongholds instead of not doing that because reverse psychology. theres this too it'll get sorted out in the next year or two and i'll read about it in a journal when someone is willing to have a conclusion
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Nov 23, 2016 23:50
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Schnorkles posted:theres this too well, if journals still exist in trump's america
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Condiv posted:and whatever she blew on poo poo like this i would not mind it much if every person that had something to do with the making of this video suddenly developed excruciatingly painful cancer
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Nov 23, 2016 23:52
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Schnorkles posted:theres this too When I found out Mook was put in charge when he orchestrated the dems biggest congressional reversal in 2010 I was livid.
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Nov 23, 2016 23:53
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Venom Snake posted:Feels more and more like she ran a very very bad low energy campaign which cost her the election instead of reality breaking or w/e. Trump got less votes than McCain did and Hillary is on track to preform better than Obama did in 2012 with the popular vote. So maybe next time not run your campaign with morons like Mook in charge and play it safe with fortifying your strongholds instead of not doing that because reverse psychology. Yea this. Trump didn't "win." Hillary lost because she is a terrible campaigner, politician and person.
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Powercrazy posted:Yea this. Trump didn't "win." Hillary lost because she is a terrible campaigner, politician and person. shes not a terrible person, and hating her personally is weird
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Condiv posted:and whatever she blew on poo poo like this There's got to be a campaign finance record showing this expense somewhere.
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Nov 24, 2016 00:04
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Venom Snake posted:Feels more and more like she ran a very very bad low energy campaign which cost her the election instead of reality breaking or w/e. Trump got less votes than McCain did and Hillary is on track to preform better than Obama did in 2012 with the popular vote. So maybe next time not run your campaign with morons like Mook in charge and play it safe with fortifying your strongholds instead of not doing that because reverse psychology. It seems everyone ran a bad campaign except Trump... I think the big issue was this was a change election and Hillary Clinton was the furthest away from a change candidate possible.
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Nov 24, 2016 00:05
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Montasque posted:I think the big issue was this was a change election and Hillary Clinton was the furthest away from a change candidate possible. Obama is charismatic as gently caress but I am still baffled about how little he did
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http://observer.com/2016/11/confessions-of-a-millennial-hillary-supporter/quote:'I was for Hillary, but I was never truly with her. I knew in some detached way I would vote for her. That seemed like enough. But I was not active in my support for her—none of my college friends were. Our generation failed in this election.' lol
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Schnorkles posted:there's a whole lot of political thought that got torn to shreds by this election democracy proves yet again that "the least bad system of government" is all too often just the worst.
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bump_fn posted:Obama is charismatic as gently caress but I am still baffled about how little he did It's a bit hard when the House absolutely refuses to even hear any of your bills, and even then in the 2 years he did have time to do something we had Joe loving Lieberman
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Montasque posted:It seems everyone ran a bad campaign except Trump... thats definitely part of it, though i think "change" is putting it very broadly. youve gotta feed each faction in your coalition some meat, and the "working class" faction starved. it wasnt just whites, her advantage in some extremely poor, extremely latino (95%) areas was also slimmer than obama's the low-income trump supporters voted against their own interests, of course, but the fact that theyre rubes doesnt fundamentally change anything. obama was able to speak to them, and obama had an ~55% approval rating on November 8. "money for retraining" is what was offered (vaguely), and it is a repellent message. "give up your lives and livelihoods, middle-aged voters, and we'll pay for you to learn to program" is not only as infeasible as building the wall, it's a slap in the face. people dont want to leave their towns or their family or their jobs, these are the things that give them dignity and make them feel whole!!!
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