uspol november: as it turns out they could not stump the trump

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A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Stallion Cabana posted:

This is something that bothers me and I'm curious about.

ACLU helps fights for people's rights partially through the courts; they sue the government to get better rights for the people who they're either defending or prosecuting for.

While this is reasonable and makes sense in a democracy as a way to effect change, if Trump stacks the Supreme Court AND the Federal Courts (Which he will because Obama wasn't allowed to appoint Federal judges), any judge who ends up hearing a case will just strike it down no matter how high it gets.

While I appreciate the context behind the ACLU how much is there really to be gained by trying to use legal action to change the government when it's going to be filled with people who would hear Rick Synder go 'people don't have a fundamental right to read' and go 'Actually he's right.'?

I'm not a legal scholar so I don't get that part.

I guess if your conception of the legal world is some kind of cosmic battle against the forces of Light and Darkness and all the wonk wonk wonk noises coming out of lawyers' mouths are just a soundtrack that bears no particular significance then yeah, you're pretty screwed!

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Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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Stallion Cabana posted:

This is something that bothers me and I'm curious about.

ACLU helps fights for people's rights partially through the courts; they sue the government to get better rights for the people who they're either defending or prosecuting for.

While this is reasonable and makes sense in a democracy as a way to effect change, if Trump stacks the Supreme Court AND the Federal Courts (Which he will because Obama wasn't allowed to appoint Federal judges), any judge who ends up hearing a case will just strike it down no matter how high it gets.

While I appreciate the context behind the ACLU how much is there really to be gained by trying to use legal action to change the government when it's going to be filled with people who would hear Rick Synder go 'people don't have a fundamental right to read' and go 'Actually he's right.'?

I'm not a legal scholar so I don't get that part.

There are only 13 out of 179 federal judicial positions open and only 1 out of 9 supreme court positions open. 53 Federal judges are Obama appointments. Out of all currently active federal judges, 75 current ones were appointed by Republicans, while 91 were appointed by Democrats.

Assuming Trump fills all currently vacant seats 51% of federal judges will still have been Democrat appointees.

# ? Nov 24, 2016 01:47

Shifty Pony: Dec 28, 2004; Up ta somethin'

"Conservative" judges are still primarily judges with all the respect for jurisprudence that entails. They don't just toss the 1st amendment out the door because they see ACLU as the plaintiff.

# ? Nov 24, 2016 01:50

theblackw0lf: Apr 15, 2003; "...creating a vision of the sort of society you want to have in miniature"

So what happens if they find conclusive evidence of hacking in one state, but can't find conclusive evidence in the others, yet can't also rule out hacking took place?

# ? Nov 24, 2016 01:54

ErIog: Jul 11, 2001

theblackw0lf posted:

So what happens if they find conclusive evidence of hacking in one state, but can't find conclusive evidence in the others, yet can't also rule out hacking took place?

What's going to happen is the Jill Stein's Green Party pocketing a bunch of money and underfunding the recount efforts. I guess there's a chance they could be acting in good faith, but I see no reason to trust Jill Stein's Green Party.

# ? Nov 24, 2016 01:57

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

the donations to the green party just hit the $1m mark

that's around $200k raised in approximately 40-45 minutes

edit: the rate for the past 37 minutes has been ~$5k per minute

Condiv fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Nov 24, 2016

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:00

The 7th Guest: Dec 17, 2003

i wish I could come up with a get rich scheme like that

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:02

pacerhimself: Dec 30, 2008; by Fluffdaddy

Mr Hootington posted:

Looks like Trump forgot what happens when a president does not take intelligence briefing

You get the tallest building in Manhattan.

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:05

Paradoxish: Dec 19, 2003; Will you stop going crazy in there?

The best part is that just having these recounts is going to be insanely damaging and they aren't going to turn up anything

2016: the year that refuses to die

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:05

SeANMcBAY: Jun 28, 2006; Look on the bright side.

Any real reason to believe it's a scam? If they go through with this, it would raise the prestige of the Green Party a huge amount.

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:05

Shifty Pony: Dec 28, 2004; Up ta somethin'

Whole lotta people are going to learn the hard way why the Greens are a joke.

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:06

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

Shifty Pony posted:

Whole lotta people are going to learn the hard way why the Greens are a joke.

But what if they're not? What if Jill Stein saves America?

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:06

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

Paradoxish posted:

The best part is that just having these recounts is going to be insanely damaging and they aren't going to turn up anything

2016: the year that refuses to die

imo it'll be damaging to the greens, who really don't have much to lose at this point. i'm not sure it will harm the dems unless the recount comes in favor of the dems, and i dunno if it would hurt them at all.

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:07

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

Imagine Ross Perot and Jill Stein holding hands as they skip up the Capitol steps, while Ralph Nader looks down on them from Heaven, a single tear running down his face, after sacrificing himself to destroy the enemy base.

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:07

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

FactsAreUseless posted:

But what if they're not? What if Jill Stein saves America?

then people will learn the hard way that the dems are a joke too

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:08

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Quest For Glory II posted:

i wish I could come up with a get rich scheme like that

Clinton body pillows that play a line about pragmatism when you squeeze 'em, bam, you're welcome

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:09

Mr Interweb: Aug 25, 2004

Fojar38 posted:

There are only 13 out of 179 federal judicial positions open and only 1 out of 9 supreme court positions open. 53 Federal judges are Obama appointments. Out of all currently active federal judges, 75 current ones were appointed by Republicans, while 91 were appointed by Democrats.

Assuming Trump fills all currently vacant seats 51% of federal judges will still have been Democrat appointees.

Huh? Are you sure about that? I thought there were still like 90 open?

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:10

HannibalBarca: Sep 11, 2016; History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.

Condiv posted:

then people will learn the hard way that the dems are a joke too

we already have :v:

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:10

Mr Hootington: Jul 24, 2008; I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/801592201834856448

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:11

The 7th Guest: Dec 17, 2003

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

Clinton body pillows that play a line about pragmatism when you squeeze 'em, bam, you're welcome

"america is already great' stitched into them

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:11

Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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Mr Interweb posted:

Huh? Are you sure about that? I thought there were still like 90 open?

Wikipedia says 13

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_appointment_history_for_United_States_federal_courts#Courts_of_appeals

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:11

fishmech: Jul 16, 2006; by VideoGames; Salad Prong

Confounding Factor posted:

I'm advocating more for a central European model for education. Like let's get the broad education out of the way before you go into secondary school to specialize in whatever like being a lawyer, doctor, etc. Keep a few true universities around for those that want to be academics.

My view is if you aren't going to be a lawyer or doctor, you shouldn't be going to grad school if you have to pay for it. You shouldn't be paying for anything for an undergrad degree either. Go to CC for awhile and get a scholarship to go to a university.

This is lovely and all, but it heavily relies on people actually figuring out what they want to do for the rest of their lives at age 18 - or as in several countries in Europe, having school counselors etc decide what sort of field even younger kids should go into, and then if that doesn't work they got to go do a bunch of basic stuff in the new field all over again.

Not to mention that a lot of "general education" courses can be tested out of in college if you actually do already know them, so you can skip to doing a lot more of your chosen field anyway.

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:12

Weird BIAS: Jul 5, 2007; so... guess that's it, huh? just... don't say i didn't warn you.

FactsAreUseless posted:

Imagine Ross Perot and Jill Stein holding hands as they skip up the Capitol steps, while Ralph Nader looks down on them from Heaven, a single tear running down his face, after sacrificing himself to destroy the enemy base.

Ralph Nader just released a book of animal fables. News story as of 11 hours ago.

# ? Nov 24, 2016 02:12

HannibalBarca: Sep 11, 2016; History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.