Mantis42 posted:

Can we not have the "Where were you on 9/11" derail? We've had this like once a month it feels like.

Mantis42 posted:

Can we not have the "Where were you on 9/11" derail? We've had this like once a month it feels like.

C2C - 2.0 posted:

So where were you?

yoctoontologist posted:

The 9/11 attackers basically found a loophole in the American security state, which has since been closed (with reinforced cockpit doors). If there is another way for a small number of people to do that much damage with readily available materials, no one has found it yet.

Chomskyan posted:

There was no vote tampering on election day. Hillary simply lost by razor thin margins. Maybe the recount will go through, but it won't turn over one of the states, let alone three. Don't embrace this small ray of hope because it will be ripped viciously away from you

Mantis42 posted:

Can we not have the "Where were you on 9/11" derail? We've had this like once a month it feels like.

fishmech posted:

Well the thing to remember is the successful attacks hit in two different cities at roughly the same time, and if flight 93 hadn't been taken down over PA a third would have been hit (NYC, Arlington, and 93 was probably going to hit DC). No single city single target attack can match that.

And remember, the attackers only hit vulnerable infrastructure by accident. Let's say instead of hitting the WTC, they'd crashed one into the George Washington Bridge and one into one of the East River bridges, maybe the Queensboro Bridge. They'd probably have killed and injured many more people, and they'd absolutely cripple local traffic and even traffic for hundreds of miles in every direction by severing those connections during heavy morning drive time. Or for a real area disrupting cluster gently caress, they could have hit the main Oakland - San Francisco Bay Bridge which would result in massive detours at best, aside from all the immediate death.

But of course it's more headline grabbing to smash into a tall or otherwise large building, so that's what they did.

Guy Goodbody posted:

I think a major attack on the infrastructure, some kinda cyber that took down the grid for a big part of the US for a week+, would have a serious detrimental effect on the US for decades afterwards. that sort of thing would convince a lot of people that the country, and society in general, are not reliable or sustainable. 9/11 convinced people that America could be attacked. A major attack on the infrastructure could convince people that America can not survive attacks.

yoctoontologist posted:

The 9/11 attackers basically found a loophole in the American security state, which has since been closed (with reinforced cockpit doors). If there is another way for a small number of people to do that much damage with readily available materials, no one has found it yet.

Confounding Factor posted:

Listening to MSNBC right now on the Secretary of Education pick, holy poo poo she is going to be a nightmare. Charter schools are evil, you could have made a mint in that business.

paperwind posted:

A friend of mine suggested that should a recount in MI, WI, and PA show conclusive proof that the Russian government tampered with voting machines, that it could be considered an act of war.

Even if that were proven true, what in the hell would we actually do diplomatically?

Joementum posted:

One of the nice side-effects of this Trump pick for Secretary of Education is that it will make Democrats hate charter schools of the first time in decades.

C2C - 2.0 posted:

I was in my junior year & one of my best friends from Dallas was visiting. We'd woken up early since I was going to have to take him to the airport in Baton Rouge that day to fly back.

We both just sat on my sofa watching the live coverage, mouths agape. He ended up taking a bus back to Dallas, paid for by Delta Airlines, his employer at the time.

Hollismason posted:

Oh yeah, I was in Baton Rouge at LSU at the time. Everyone went out and bought gas.

duz posted:

Eeeeeeeeeehhhhhhh.
Our security is still rather easy to bypass. It's just that now it requires basic competence instead of no competence. It's a rather involved situation that is hard to balance the need to point out flaws vs leaving out key details for security researchers.

Green Party Recount page posted:

Here are the filing fees and deadlines for each state:

Wisconsin: $1.1 million by Nov 25
Pennsylvania: $0.5 million by Nov 28
Michigan: $0.6 million by Nov 30

Those are filing fees alone. The costs associated with recounts are a function of state law. Attorney's fees are likely to be another $2-3 million, then there are the costs of the statewide recount observers in all three states. The total cost is likely to be $6-7 million.

Weird BIAS posted:

So in 10 hours the green party has raised over $2,000,000 for the recount.

DrNutt posted:

It seems like a new 9/11 would be even easier, actually, if you had some hijackers that knew how to take off, since the pilots still chill with the door open while everyone's boarding. Once those reinforced doors close it's not like anyone can Todd Beamer it. Unless there are failsafes that would prevent taking off that I'm unaware of.

Joementum posted:

One of the nice side-effects of this Trump pick for Secretary of Education is that it will make Democrats hate charter schools of the first time in decades.

Mustached Demon posted:

I'll still despise Jill Stein for enabling antivaxxers don't you worry.

Gen. Ripper posted:

Can I live in your world where the Democrats presumably actually fight the right over things?

Joementum posted:

One of the nice side-effects of this Trump pick for Secretary of Education is that it will make Democrats hate charter schools of the first time in decades.

Sir Tonk posted:

Sir Tonk posted:

We had to elect Trump to get the Dem to stop being terrible. Time will tell if it was worth it.

King of Solomon posted:

So after that recount hits the $2.5 million goal, are they going to update the tracker to account for this?


Also, is that $6-7 million actually reasonable? Given some of the things you guys have been posting, that seems fairly low.

greatn posted:

When do they stop being terrible exactly?

Luigi Thirty posted:

I mean a Jill Stein recount is still better than no recount.

Joementum posted:

Pretty funny that we went from "Donald Trump is threatening democracy itself by refusing to say he'd accept the results of the election" to "the Russians hacked the scantron machines in Wisconsin that aren't network connected".

HorseRenoir posted:

A Jill Stein recount is actually the best recount because if things go south in terms of public opinion it can't be pinned on the Democrats

greatn posted:

They'd just have to hack the network connected sos computer where they're entering the results.(I don't think this happened, but it is possible)

Joementum posted:

Pretty funny that we went from "Donald Trump is threatening democracy itself by refusing to say he'd accept the results of the election" to "the Russians hacked the scantron machines in Wisconsin that aren't network connected".

Stallion Cabana posted:

you know, you KNOW the Republicans will blame the Democrats.

Harton posted:

The Russians definitely hacked one specific party and flooded the media with embarrassing emails. How this is not alarming to everyone blows my mind.

Harton posted:

Yeah I don't even wanna start down that path because I refuse to be "that dude". Trump is my president now no matter how sick that makes me. Starting this gives too much credit to the "both sides are the same" argument.

Although everyone should keep talking about what we actually do know until people can't forget it. The Russians definitely hacked one specific party and flooded the media with embarrassing emails. How this is not alarming to everyone blows my mind. The media and US government should be shouting about this every day and upping the sanctions already. Nothing will be done though, because it worked. Not to say by any means that it was the single factor in Trumps win, but it didn't loving hurt.

Joementum posted:

Someone phished Podesta and sold that information on. It's not alarming at all.