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MattD1zzl3 posted:So you're planning on a world where females by and large do not reproduce because they are smart enough to know better? "Feeeemales." Thanks for stopping by, Open White Supremacist MattD1zzl3
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Trabisnikof posted:USPol November: Cowboys beat Indians Yeah, I couldn't really wrap my head around how 1955 today was.
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Paul Ryan ruined his patio trying to fry a turkey today, so that's nice. https://twitter.com/PRyan/status/801905790311399428
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MattD1zzl3 posted:So you're planning on a world where females by and large do not reproduce because they are smart enough to know better? she isn't talking about your incel lifestyle.
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Nov 25, 2016 03:23
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TheScott2K posted:Paul Ryan ruined his patio trying to fry a turkey today, so that's nice. If only it exploded.
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Nov 25, 2016 03:24
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socialsecurity posted:Ha what, automation replacing workers is a recent thing? Like you seriously think we invented this poo poo whole cloth in the past year or something? Also robots still replace human jobs, not every job but the number of humans required to produce poo poo constantly goes down how on earth you could you pretend that's not happening? I never said anything of the sort. I said that the you're repeating a line about how we can't bring manufacturing jobs back to the US from overseas because those jobs will simply be automated. If they could be, they would be at this point. Why would a company bother with overseas labor when it can control the production in the United States? It's a line on the level of the lie that factories can't be built in the US due to restrictive environmental laws.
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TheScott2K posted:Paul Ryan ruined his patio trying to fry a turkey today, so that's nice. here is why he did this: http://www.reuters.com/video/2016/11/23/dont-try-to-fry-a-frozen-turkeyus-safety?videoId=370536213 so he was being a big baby
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Nov 25, 2016 03:25
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SimonCat posted:I never said anything of the sort. I said that the you're repeating a line about how we can't bring manufacturing jobs back to the US from overseas because those jobs will simply be automated. If they could be, they would be at this point. Why would a company bother with overseas labor when it can control the production in the United States? Because overseas labor is way, way cheaper than automation, which in many cases is already cheaper than US labor. We can have the manufacturing jobs back, as long as you're willing to work for $4/hour.
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Nov 25, 2016 03:28
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Mr Hootington posted:here is why he did this: http://www.reuters.com/video/2016/11/23/dont-try-to-fry-a-frozen-turkeyus-safety?videoId=370536213 what the gently caress is wrong with his broken loving brain why would you try to flashfry a frozen turkey that just fucks up the meat you loving idiot 
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Nov 25, 2016 03:28
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Mr Hootington posted:here is why he did this: http://www.reuters.com/video/2016/11/23/dont-try-to-fry-a-frozen-turkeyus-safety?videoId=370536213 Jesus, they might as well just say "Warning: Too loving Awesome"
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Trabisnikof posted:And there are still buggy whip makers. But buggy whip making won't be a source of employment and economic success for any American community. Oh good, quote a line from a Danny Devito movie where he plays a corporate raider explaining why a US factory has to be closed and the production moved overseas. Tell that to the people of Hanover, Illinois, whose factory was closed not because of automation, but because it made a venture capital company money. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/factory-closure-private-equity/406264/
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Nov 25, 2016 03:30
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:If only it exploded. courtesy of Alton Brown, what happens when you gently caress up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLNLYL24qUA&t=177s ~ 2:57 for the good bit.
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Nov 25, 2016 03:30
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Paradoxish posted:Because overseas labor is way, way cheaper than automation, which in many cases is already cheaper than US labor. We can have the manufacturing jobs back, as long as you're willing to work for $4/hour. This ignores that we manufacture an amazing amount of products in the US and pay the workers more than $4. Do you believe McDonald's or Wal-Mart when they tell their employees that the company can't afford to raise their wages?
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TheScott2K posted:Paul Ryan ruined his patio trying to fry a turkey today, so that's nice. Do you know, I had some fried turkey at a thanksgiving long past; that's pretty much how we did it too, only my uncle had the foresight to not do it on a patio (he did it in his yard and used a burner). We had 3 turkeys that year, all done a different style; I remember the fried as pretty good, so I don't suppose I can fault the Speaker for his taste... Just for everything else. Convalescing after today's meal myself; no fried turkey, but no politics either. It was lovely 
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Nov 25, 2016 03:33
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SimonCat posted:Oh good, quote a line from a Danny Devito movie where he plays a corporate raider explaining why a US factory has to be closed and the production moved overseas. You completely miss my point. I'm not disputing why the jobs left, I'm saying there won't be more jobs in existing factories and new factories won't ever be adding low skilled factory jobs at a meaningful scale ever again.
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Nov 25, 2016 03:32
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Trabisnikof posted:You completely miss my point. I'm not disputing why the jobs left, I'm saying there won't be more jobs in existing factories and new factories won't ever be adding low skilled factory jobs at a meaningful scale ever again. Not true at all. Volkswagen opened a factory in Chattanooga in 2011 employing over 2,000 people and paying an average of $27 an hour.
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Nov 25, 2016 03:37
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resurgam40 posted:Do you know, I had some fried turkey at a thanksgiving long past; that's pretty much how we did it too, only my uncle had the foresight to not do it on a patio (he did it in his yard and used a burner). We had 3 turkeys that year, all done a different style; I remember the fried as pretty good, so I don't suppose I can fault the Speaker for his taste... Just for everything else. We had hickory smoked this year. Good year.
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Nov 25, 2016 03:40
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SimonCat posted:Not true at all. Volkswagen opened a factory in Chattanooga in 2011 employing over 2,000 people and paying an average of $27 an hour. And are those mainly low skilled jobs? Also the old US plant that VW closed in the 80s employed up to 6,000 people making half the number of vehicles. Edit: and we only needed to give them $500M to get those 2,000 jobs back. Such a good deal for the American worker. Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Nov 25, 2016 |
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Nov 25, 2016 03:41
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SimonCat posted:Not true at all. Volkswagen opened a factory in Chattanooga in 2011 employing over 2,000 people and paying an average of $27 an hour. Take that liberals 
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Nov 25, 2016 03:41
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SimonCat posted:This ignores that we manufacture an amazing amount of products in the US and pay the workers more than $4. I'm not going to post the graphs of manufacturing jobs in the US vs. manufacturing output for like the millionth time in this thread, so just go look those up. We produce an amazing amount of stuff in the US. The US is the largest manufacturer in the world, and we manage to do this while only employing about 7% of the labor force in manufacturing. The things we manufacture in the US are things that require skilled, often educated labor. This is why a lot of US manufacturing jobs have very good pay. Like, you're just so completely wrong about this that I don't know where to begin. The only way these jobs are coming back in large numbers is as some kind of odd welfare program where we subsidize low end manufacturing.
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Nov 25, 2016 03:42
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Hope the TN factory didn't make diesels. Those are gone from NA.
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Nov 25, 2016 03:44
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Don't worry, trump has a plan to bring back jobs. He already hired the best spirit medium
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SimonCat posted:And yet Americans are still employed in factories making construction machinery, aircraft, farm equipment, automobiles, and other products. What we are saying is the growth in manufacturing output is faster than the growth of jobs in manufacturing. There are not many manufacturing jobs, and even if we went balls deep we are too big a country for there to be more than maybe 10% of the workforce in manufacturing assuming magic fairy dust assumptions. If you double the size of a factory you don't double the workforce. Automation with general purpose robotics that can mimic the actions of skilled welders who "train" them. That trend is slowed only by one thing: capital investments are huge risks. It's the same reason inefficient, crappy old coal and oil power plants still run when newer gas plants are cheaper and more efficient to run. Automation creeps in slowly as older, labor-intensive plants are replaced due to age.
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Grouchio posted:Are we looking at 10% or 15% or 20% national unemployment rates here when China's economy implodes and the tech bubble pops? Uh, none of the above? Tech bubble stuff doesn't really employ much people, and if China's economy implodes the problem will mostly just be a lot of stuff going up in price, which doesn't directly lead to many Americans losing jobs. Paradoxish posted:I'm not going to post the graphs of manufacturing jobs in the US vs. manufacturing output for like the millionth time in this thread, so just go look those up. We produce an amazing amount of stuff in the US. The US is the largest manufacturer in the world, and we manage to do this while only employing about 7% of the labor force in manufacturing. Don't forget that a lot of "low skill" US labor simply moved to the US south or occasionally the southwest, while you're at it. Because you can run your widget factory with way lower state minimum wage and regulation in South Carolina or Texas versus say Michigan.
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Nov 25, 2016 03:51
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Blindeye posted:What we are saying is the growth in manufacturing output is faster than the growth of jobs in manufacturing. It's more extreme than this, even. Over the last 15 years or so, US manufacturing output has increased by about 20% even though we've shed about a third of the manufacturing workforce. We're literally increasing output and eliminating jobs at the same time.
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Nov 25, 2016 03:53
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Trabisnikof posted:And are those mainly low skilled jobs? I really dont understand the logic of points like these. What is the 'so what?'
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It's just another form of liberal white America sneering at those stupid poor people for voting for Trump to bring back jobs. You see voting for HRC would have been better because she outright campaigned on those jobs not being around anymore.
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Nov 25, 2016 03:58
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Why the gently caress is Trump's 62.3 smaller on this graph than Bush's 62.0?
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Nov 25, 2016 04:00
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We clearly hit Peak Democrat in 2008. Time to pack it in.
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Nov 25, 2016 04:01
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah, and it tends to happen a lot more suddenly than people expect thanks to recessions. The pattern is incredibly obvious in manufacturing, where output bounces back and improves between recessions while employment holds ground at best. and also why all this poo poo about trade that dominated the election has been just total poo poo 
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Why the gently caress is Trump's 62.3 smaller on this graph than Bush's 62.0? It's not, its an optical illusion because of the length of the adjacent bars.
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Paradoxish posted:It's more extreme than this, even. Over the last 15 years or so, US manufacturing output has increased by about 20% even though we've shed about a third of the manufacturing workforce. We're literally increasing output and eliminating jobs at the same time. That point about growth is about "new" jobs from scratch. The phenomena you mentioned is because of the point I was making about obsolesence; all those 20th century plants at the end of their life got replaced by automated equipment that allowed for massive layoffs. The steel industry would be a prime example, for instance.
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Boon posted:I really dont understand the logic of points like these. What is the 'so what?' The point is, low skilled manufacturing jobs won't come back and people who are pointing at plants like the VW plant can't see the forest for a few fallen trees. I can point to operating and expanding gold mines in California but the Rush of '49 isn't coming back.
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Nov 25, 2016 04:05
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Trump still sucks when you adjust for population growth 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:and also why all this poo poo about trade that dominated the election has been just total poo poo So manufacturing jobs dropped precipitously after NAFTA was imposed?
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Trabisnikof posted:The point is, low skilled manufacturing jobs won't come back and people who are pointing at plants like the VW plant can't see the forest for a few fallen trees. This is a bad analogy. A better one is farming. The US farming industry is more productive than ever before, and employs less people than ever before. Manufacturing is the same way.
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Is there a version of this that adjusts for total eligible voting population?
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shrike82 posted:So manufacturing jobs dropped precipitously after NAFTA was imposed? Yeah, right about that time Dubya entered office. Imagine that!
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