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Quorum posted:On the other hand neither of them has any foreign policy experience whatsoever so But but the Olympics
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spotlessd posted:Ahahaha, http://www.propornot.com/ has BAR listed as a "fake news" site spreading Russian propaganda. It's almost--almost--like liberals are perfectly cool with diversity just as long as it doesn't veer into actual leftism.
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Nobody in Trump's cabinet has any relevant experience to their positions so far, unless you count Betsy DeVos gutting the school system
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spotlessd posted:Ahahaha, http://www.propornot.com/ has BAR listed as a "fake news" site spreading Russian propaganda. It's almost--almost--like liberals are perfectly cool with diversity just as long as it doesn't veer into actual leftism. Yeah, it's a hilarious list. They've got Drudge Report, Naked Capitalism, Info Wars, Counter Punch, the Daily Stormer, and the Ron Paul Institute all lumped in with Pravda and RT. The Post is going to get burned on this one.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:What is BAR? http://blackagendareport.com/ Left news outlet that's actually quite good but made the crucial tactical error of openly criticizing Hillary Clinton.
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Joementum posted:Yeah, it's a hilarious list. They've got Drudge Report, Naked Capitalism, Info Wars, Counter Punch, the Daily Stormer, and the Ron Paul Institute all lumped in with Pravda and RT. The Post is going to get burned on this one. spotlessd posted:Ahahaha, http://www.propornot.com/ has BAR listed as a "fake news" site spreading Russian propaganda. It's almost--almost--like liberals are perfectly cool with diversity just as long as it doesn't veer into actual leftism. Or maybe liberals are cool with diversity as long as it doesn't veer into uncritically reporting Kremlin propaganda
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Nov 25, 2016 18:05
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Stultus Maximus posted:Or maybe liberals are cool with diversity as long as it doesn't veer into uncritically reporting Kremlin propaganda Oh my god
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Nov 25, 2016 18:07
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spotlessd posted:http://blackagendareport.com/ quote:With so many people who call themselves liberals and leftists tearing their hair out in dread of a President Donald Trump, it is necessary to point out that the prospects of avoiding nuclear war are much better than they were the day before the election. Hillary Clinton was committed to imposing a “no fly zone” over Syria that would have meant instant war with Russia, likely resulting in the annihilation of the human species. http://blackagendareport.com/actually_existing_fascism quote:“Anyone who thinks Donald Trump is more of a fascist than Barack Obama is some combination of an imbecile, a liberal, and a charlatan.” Xae fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Nov 25, 2016 |
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Nov 25, 2016 18:08
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Hollismason posted:It also solidifies his legitimacy because they could have just talked about and hinted at this for years and built up a good fervor over it but that all goes away when the recount comes back and "Whoops, looks like he's legit". It's just a politically stupid move and it doesn't surpise me Jill Stein is involved. Tbh it seems more like rear end covering should faithless electors actually influence the election (they won't)
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Stultus Maximus posted:Or maybe liberals are cool with diversity as long as it doesn't veer into uncritically reporting Kremlin propaganda I don't think bruce a dixon is a long term KGB plant
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Hollismason posted:It also solidifies his legitimacy because they could have just talked about and hinted at this for years and built up a good fervor over it but that all goes away when the recount comes back and "Whoops, looks like he's legit". It's just a politically stupid move and it doesn't surpise me Jill Stein is involved. No such thing as legitimacy without the Voting Rights Act.
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Xae posted:http://blackagendareport.com/war_less_imminent_since_election Yea like I said the site is quite good.
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spotlessd posted:Oh my god quote:Please note that our criteria are behavioral. That means the characteristics of the propaganda outlets we identify are motivation-agnostic. For purposes of this definition it does not matter whether the sites listed here are being knowingly directed and paid by Russian intelligence officers, or whether they even knew they were echoing Russian propaganda at any particular point: If they meet these criteria, they are at the very least acting as bona-fide "useful idiots" of the Russian intelligence services, and are worthy of further scrutiny. I don't know enough about most of the sites on their list to have an informed opinion, but they aren't saying that every site listed is actually a Russian mouthpiece.
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Peven Stan posted:I don't think bruce a dixon is a long term KGB plant quote:Please note that our criteria are behavioral. That means the characteristics of the propaganda outlets we identify are motivation-agnostic. For purposes of this definition it does not matter whether the sites listed here are being knowingly directed and paid by Russian intelligence officers, or whether they even knew they were echoing Russian propaganda at any particular point
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Xae posted:Manufacturing jobs is a red herring. No they don't, because the vast majority of them never had them. The peak of union membership in the US was about 27% of all employed workers, and no state ever reached a whole half of the working population in unions. And a very large chunk of those union workers didn't really have good benefits, or they were working government jobs that decreased way less over time. Your average person who had an ok factory job in like the 60s-80s which went away, they were non-unionized, had pretty lovely benefits and pretty lovely pay. They had the advantage that like healthcare costs hadn't jumped super high and they didn't need to worry about college costs because they didn't go to college and their kids also didn't (and even when they did, those college costs hadn't super-ballooned). So they were a bit better off than a similar job today in some ways. Mustached Demon posted:You are doing a piss poor job by ignoring that no one here claims these factory jobs don't exist. We're claiming they don't exist in huge numbers to drive a town's economy. Go read my post that started this discussion. I specifically talked about a rural area closing 2 out of 3 sugar beet factories due to process improvements. The one can make more sugar than three could in the 70s. They also went from a headcount in the 1000s to about 250. Pro tip: those towns in rural areas were rarely driven as much by the factory or two they had as you seem to think. Most of them had their economy driven in large part by there being a bunch of other people living outside the town and using it as their main shopping destination. All the factories could have stayed open with their initial employment level forever, and the town's economy would still end up hosed, which has a pile-on effect occurring people to drive all the way out to a larger town to shop for things more often, which leads to more of the small town's shops closing which leads to more people being willing to drive etc. DACK FAYDEN posted:As for the actual question, who cares who's "responsible"? What does that mean? Uh, the business that just lost a quarter million on a day's worth of errors? Bates posted:This is why a bunch of corporations are excited about blockchain. I don't know enough about it to really evaluate the potential but their goal is to digitize contracts, legal docs etc and they are throwing a lot of cash at it. Blockchain systems don't really do anything to solve a problem, though. Sephyr posted:
Soooo not actually going to lose all that many jobs on the whole? We're basically sitting at our current manufacturing employment being at 62% of the employment at the absolute peak of US manufacturing employment, which was 1977 with 19.3 million people employed versus today's slightly over 12 million. paternity suitor posted:Something like McDonalds is pretty easy to automate. Most Walmart employees can be automated. It's not 100% replacement, but even 50% is millions of people. Those are the low hanging fruit in the service industry. The big automation in retail already happened in the 70s. It's called barcodes. It meant you needed way less cashiers to handle purchases, and way less people working backroom stocking - because the barcodes massively sped up both things compered to manual data entry. That's the actual low hanging fruit, and you probably can't remember a world without it. Especially for normal stores, self-checkouts don't really let you fire a bunch of cashiers and have things still work - they require you to keep the same amount of cashiers for the same level of service because a) a lot of shoppers are just plain stupid and b) lots of stuff is still too "sensitive" to be done automatically. High value items, alcohol/other age restricted items and so on. And then there's the fact you need people around to fix when the machine just plain fucks up.
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Sephyr posted:Basically, lots of traditional low-entry jobs like driver, barista and even clerks are going the way of manufacturing, sooner rather than later. Until they make a fuckable automatic cashout option, a lot of coffee places will probably still have real live people.
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Paradoxish posted:I don't know enough about most of the sites on their list to have an informed opinion, but they aren't saying that every site listed is actually a Russian mouthpiece. Okay but the idiots on this site who gather round the campfire and let Brown Moses tell them fairytales about White Helmets probably aren't in a great position to cast stones about who is unwittingly repeating propaganda, right?
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happyhippy posted:How do self driving cars handle birds? Google uses a bird crossing as a thing it specifically calls out on the front page of it's self driving car page. Like it's the exact example it uses of "see we are great at weird one off situations" https://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/
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"I have in my hand a list of news outlets which have been cruelly manipulated by the perfidious KGB." D&D posters: (liberally) "Seems legit."
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spotlessd posted:http://blackagendareport.com/ This is the first article on that page: http://blackagendareport.com/obama_false_narratives_fake_news Not exactly making me think this site is a bastion of journalistic integrity
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Stultus Maximus posted:Or maybe liberals are cool with diversity as long as it doesn't veer into uncritically reporting Kremlin propaganda Reality has a well known Kremlin bias.
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happyhippy posted:How do self driving cars handle birds? The cars kill all your birds. All your birds, they kill them.
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Covok posted:Wonder how the religious right will take this, now that I think about it. I suppose we were due for another Candle In The Wind rewrite. Xae posted:If there is anything that can bring him down it is some other countries anti-corruption effort catching him while going after someone else. Loretta Lynch for Interpol chief then?
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happyhippy posted:How do self driving cars handle birds? I really hope you don't swerve for birds in the road.
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Moktaro posted:Loretta Lynch for Interpol chief then? She does have lots of international goodwill for going after FIFA.
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SoggyBobcat posted:Remember when defending fascist, mass-murdering dictators was the realm of the right-wing? Good times. No I don't, not really.
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Moktaro posted:Loretta Lynch for Interpol chief then? A little late for that, Meng Hongwei, China's vice minister for public security and a former head of Interpol China, was just made Interpol Chief a few weeks ago.
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So I see the neoliberal wing has decided that talking about the Podesta emails literally makes you a commie spy. That's fun.
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readingatwork posted:So I see the neoliberal wing has decided that talking about the Podesta emails literally makes you a commie spy. That's fun. From what I can see online there's a good chance that talking about the Podesta emails also means you are a paranoid schizophrenic.
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fishmech posted:
This was true in my hometown. The real economic driver was the brothels. Cash still flowed into the area through the mining industry but whatever.
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Trabisnikof posted:Unless you have recent statistics, I would suspect $15/hr is well above average: I'm speaking only about what I've seen from the company side in berries. I've never seen anything about citrus. It's also worth nothing that the pickers are one step removed in that they are paid by the growers and not the berry company. Maybe they numbers I've seen are particular to one set of growers. Maybe there's wage theft going on somewhere. I've just seen the wage data and the numbers you cite are low by about a factor of two.
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readingatwork posted:So I see the neoliberal wing has decided that talking about the Podesta emails literally makes you a commie spy. That's fun. There are far better arguments with which to defend parroting RT and Sputnik than to accuse people of red-baiting. They're still not good arguments but last I checked state propaganda was the kind of thing leftists didn't approve of? Or is this just about being in broad agreement with the propagandists' opinions re: Hillary Clinton? If so, now that she's no longer a factor and Russian propaganda shifts to supporting right-wing candidates against people you like, will we see a change in tone? Don't pretend that the Russian state media wouldn't have just as gleefully slandered Bernard Sanders and thrown his dirty laundry all over the web, or fabricated dirty laundry where necessary. Russia is trying to support a right-wing nationalist wave across Europe to further its own regional and global interests; this is not a positive development for almost anyone. Quorum fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Nov 25, 2016 |
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Stultus Maximus posted:Or maybe liberals are cool with diversity as long as it doesn't veer into uncritically reporting Kremlin propaganda lmao
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I love this report that the Trump campaign people want Romney to essentially 'kiss the ring' and apologize to Trump if he wants the SoS job
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FlamingLiberal posted:I love this report that the Trump campaign people want Romney to essentially 'kiss the ring' and apologize to Trump if he wants the SoS job Is that not entirely germane with established custom?
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Moktaro posted:I suppose we were due for another Candle In The Wind rewrite. Hello Queens's Rose, looks like you... pulled this one off. Seems to me you lived your life like a trashbag in the wind/Your driver holds your umbrella when the rain comes in
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Quorum posted:There are far better arguments with which to defend parroting RT and Sputnik than to accuse people of red-baiting. They're still not good arguments but last I checked state propaganda was the kind of thing leftists didn't approve of? What the gently caress are you talking about? Everyone produces propaganda, leftists have never been shy about doing it themselves. There's an ocean of difference between "this is propaganda" and "immediately blacklist every website that has ever contradicted NATO or criticized a democrat".
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pigdog posted:We've had legally binding digitally signed digital documents for more than a decade here in Estonia. Public PKI infrastructure FTW. They've had them In America for a long time as well, for at least a long as e-commerce has been around. Some judges don't even like/accept paper copies of court orders anymore.
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spotlessd posted:What the gently caress are you talking about? Everyone produces propaganda, leftists have never been shy about doing it themselves. There's an ocean of difference between "this is propaganda" and "immediately blacklist every website that has ever contradicted NATO or criticized a democrat". What if I just think calling the sitting Democrat president a larger fascist than Donald Trump is a bit of a stretch at best, and an active corruption at worst?
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