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big money big clit posted:Early in his 11th season. I'm not really sure you can say that they were quick to fire him. you're going to get owned when we hire head football coach, Tom Herman!!!
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Adun posted:That sounds like what he's doing? The reports say it will take until Saturday to sign anything Ok. That makes much more sense than any sort of done deal talk.
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pseudodragon posted:Ok. That makes much more sense than any sort of done deal talk. The reports have been that a deal is close and it could be announced as early as Saturday. Nothing was ever going to be official while Houston still has a game to play. Scionix posted:you're going to get owned when we hire head football coach, Tom Herman!!! I actually still expect to end up watching Joe Alleva announce head coach Larry Fedora, who was definitely his first choice all along, because Joe Alleva is a turd. But Texas also seems very bad at this, so who knows!
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longhorn head coach tim beckman
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Oh, I also know not even Texas would straight up fire a Prez over football. But going to war with the donors over football will sure as erode the support base he needs to accomplish big things and/or survive future troubles, should they arise. Would he actually choose to self-inflict such a wound and weaken his own prospects just to avoid firing a guy whose job performance is literally the worst of all time?
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Proud Christian Mom posted:reality is broken send help Metal Gear Solid 2 is actually about texas football in the 2010s
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big money big clit posted:If Texas loses to TCU then Charlie is obviously gone immediately but if they win it may not be so cut and dry. What could beating TCU possibly prove? That they can beat a bad team and go 6-6 in an execrable Big 12 with an embarrassment of young talent? I believe for a long time Charlie was going to eventually do well there, but I see no reason to think he's going to get Texas to the level they feel they should be at. The heat on Charlie isn't about Herman being too good to pass up, it's about him having failed definitively. He's done, he deserves to be done, and now they've undermined and humiliated him. I don't see how they can bring him back.
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General Dog posted:What could beating TCU possibly prove? That they can beat a bad team and go 6-6 in an execrable Big 12 with an embarrassment of young talent? I believe for a long time Charlie was going to eventually do well there, but I see no reason to think he's going to get Texas to the level they feel they should be at. The heat on Charlie isn't about Herman being too good to pass up, it's about him having failed definitively. He's done, he deserves to be done, and now they've undermined and humiliated him. I don't see how they can bring him back. It doesn't prove anything, but if they were going to fire him irrespective of how the game went then why let him coach it? They should have fired him after he lost Kansas if it was already set in stone. They didn't which makes it seem to me like they haven't decided yet and if he wins this one that won't make the decision any easier. Les Miles was all but fired last year before he beat A&M and got paraded around by the players like they'd just won a natty.
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big money big clit posted:It doesn't prove anything, but if they were going to fire him irrespective of how the game went then why let him coach it? They should have fired him after he lost Kansas if it was already set in stone. They didn't which makes it seem to me like they haven't decided yet and if he wins this one that won't make the decision any easier. They may indeed be considering keeping him, but it's a mistake. A mistake I hope they make.
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Well that was an odd few hours watching the LSU - A&M game. My favorite part was them sending the reporter to the LSU AD's box only to be shut out and told no comment while they tried to find a camera that could get a shot of her at the very top of the stadium. At this point, I want Herman to stay at UH and just give a middle finger to the ridiculous college football coaching rumor industry
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firing charlie strong isn't gonna fix anything, texas is gonna be mediocre forever on out, soccer will become the state sport of texas
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LLCoolJD posted:On the other hand, it shows that Texas wouldn't be quick to can Herman. LSU, by comparison, fired its national-championship-winning coach early in the season. The other side of this equation is Texas, who fired their own national championship winning coach (albeit after a season was over) and is about to fire their subsequent hire when he didn't hit the ground running* *-They're going to be completely justified in firing him, but I think coaches generally expect to get four years at non-super competitive schools to get all their own recruits and stuff in place. I'd say the expected loyalty factor is a wash here at best.
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Grittybeard posted:The other side of this equation is Texas, who fired their own national championship winning coach (albeit after a season was over) and is about to fire their subsequent hire when he didn't hit the ground running* 3 years and "worst record in that span in school history" are enough and getting fired for that isn't really going to make HC candidates wary of the program.
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That Works posted:3 years and "worst record in that span in school history" are enough and getting fired for that isn't really going to make HC candidates wary of the program. No I agree, but that's a slight add to the 'fire a national championship coach' with the way Mack was treated on his way out. LSU did a little worse to Les with the whole flirting with Jimbo, no just kidding thing (which I'd consider a lot worse than an in-season firing). But honestly they're both snake pits as far as this particular argument goes.
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Grittybeard posted:No I agree, but that's a slight add to the 'fire a national championship coach' with the way Mack was treated on his way out. LSU did a little worse to Les with the whole flirting with Jimbo, no just kidding thing (which I'd consider a lot worse than an in-season firing). But honestly they're both snake pits as far as this particular argument goes. I do see where you're coming from but it was also definitely time for Mack to go. He had been falling off for a while and recruiting and development was pretty bad. His last year with not a single Texas player getting drafted was telling.
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Alaois posted:firing charlie strong isn't gonna fix anything, texas is gonna be mediocre forever on out, soccer will become the state sport of texas Honestly this is probably many Texans' biggest fear regarding immigration.
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Spacebump posted:Bill doesn't consider that good restaurants better prepare chefs for success at making food tastey. Much like USC and LSU historically better prepare their coaches for success than Ole Miss. Ole Miss isn't Alabama but they are historically a shitload better than they were when Ogeron was their. He did a really awful job. He was there for 3 years and couldn't win more than 4 games. And that was taking over a program that had been pretty solid for the last decade or so under Tubberville and especially Cutcliffe (whose firing is one of the dumber ones on recent memory). By winning percentage I'm pretty sure he's the worst coach they've ever had who got more than a year. I get that he talks funny and seems like a nice guy but he was an abject failure in his last stint as head coach and it was not Ole Miss' fault. I'd agree he's probably earned a chance somewhere else, but doing well as an interim coach with a couple loaded teams doesn't prove he's going to do well as a full time head coach and a program LSU should be able to do a lot better than having to take that risk curried lamb of God posted:is Herman still our coach or can I chug this bottle of bleach now Pretty much the only certain thing in this whole deal is Herman going somewhere else.
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MourningView posted:Ole Miss isn't Alabama but they are historically a shitload better than they were when Ogeron was their. He did a really awful job. He was there for 3 years and couldn't win more than 4 games. And that was taking over a program that had been pretty solid for the last decade or so under Tubberville and especially Cutcliffe (whose firing is one of the dumber ones on recent memory). By winning percentage I'm pretty sure he's the worst coach they've ever had who got more than a year. I get that he talks funny and seems like a nice guy but he was an abject failure in his last stint as head coach and it was not Ole Miss' fault. I don't entirely disagree with you but he was coaching Ole Miss with LSU dominating the west, the resurgence of Bama and Auburn, and with a pretty good Arkansas program running. I think Cutcliffe's success there (and his profoundly unfair firing) was an aberration. You had a generational QB (for OM) in Eli and the QB whisperer Cutcliffe. Tuberville has always been a pretty good coach and he did well there, but the program is historically mediocre. Getting only 3 years at that kind of program is...well, pretty lovely. MourningView posted:Pretty much the only certain thing in this whole deal is Herman going somewhere else. He's going to be terrifying if he goes to LSU. I wonder if Texas has too many institutional problems to attract the modern, ultra control-freak coach.
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They probably wouldn't take too kindly to his grill.
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pillsburysoldier posted:Metal Gear Solid 2 is actually about texas football in the 2010s has hideo confirmed this
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Frinkahedron posted:has hideo confirmed this it's only the parts about johnny
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LeeMajors posted:I don't entirely disagree with you but he was coaching Ole Miss with LSU dominating the west, the resurgence of Bama and Auburn, and with a pretty good Arkansas program running. Saban was in the NFL for most of his time there, Bama was definitely not "resurgent". It wasn't anything close to what the West is now. His last year he finished last in a division where Sylvester loving Croom finished 3rd. 3 years might have been quick if he'd shown even the slightest improvement but he hadn't and he was also literally the worst coach in the history of the program. No one is claiming that it's an amazing program but he was substantially below even mediocre. They were the worst team in the SEC or close to it.
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MourningView posted:Saban was in the NFL for most of his time there, Bama was definitely not "resurgent". It wasn't anything close to what the West is now. His last year he finished last in a division where Sylvester loving Croom finished 3rd. LSU was rolling during his tenure. Bama was 10-2 in 05, had a down year in 06 and Saban was hired in 07. Houston Nutt was still doing well at Arky. The west was no pushover and Ole Miss is historically bad. They're paying loving Freeze 4m$ to finish last in the west. I guess my point is that a historically bad program only giving a coach 3 years to work is....well, maybe a bit myopic.
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Duckaerobics posted:So the solution is to pay someone 6 or 7 million a year to lose to Saban instead? Is there a trophy for most wins per dollar? Do I get the difference that the boosters save on a mediocre head coach? Why the gently caress do I care if boosters want to pay a bunch for the hottest head coach on the market this season? If high school coach Hugh Freeze can occasionally beat Saban why do we assume no one else can? Every coach in the SEC gets a lot of money to usually lose to Saban, whether it's 5 or 6 million doesn't seem all that meaningful to me, since it's not my money.
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it's a shame that the ole miss stuff is still such an albatross around Coach O's neck when both head stints he's had since then he's surpassed the conference wins he had there in a single year. He's clearly a different guy now. Much worse coaches have had more chances than people seem willing to give him.
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I don't understand why everyone keeps acting like being handed a team full of talent midway through the season is the same as being in charge of a program year round.
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big money big clit posted:I don't understand why everyone keeps acting like being handed a team full of talent midway through the season is the same as being in charge of a program year round. Nobody does but Orgeron has a high floor with the offseason stuff. He was recruiter of the year like twice already.
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LeeMajors posted:LSU was rolling during his tenure. Bama was 10-2 in 05, had a down year in 06 and Saban was hired in 07. Houston Nutt was still doing well at Arky. The west was no pushover and Ole Miss is historically bad. Bama won 7 games in Saban's first year, it wasn't even close to what it would become. LSU was good but he wasn't just losing to them. He couldn't beat Sylvester Croom. He was extemely bad by the standards of that program. Every program would be unhappy winning 3 or 4 games for three years in a row, especially one that tends to at least be a consistent bowl team. It's not like he was coaching Vandy or Iowa State.
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big money big clit posted:Is there a trophy for most wins per dollar? Do I get the difference that the boosters save on a mediocre head coach? Why the gently caress do I care if boosters want to pay a bunch for the hottest head coach on the market this season? If high school coach Hugh Freeze can occasionally beat Saban why do we assume no one else can? Every coach in the SEC gets a lot of money to usually lose to Saban, whether it's 5 or 6 million doesn't seem all that meaningful to me, since it's not my money. Calling Freeze a high school coach at this point is a little ridiculous. I'm pretty sure he hasn't been one in over 10 years.
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Raku posted:Nobody does but Orgeron has a high floor with the offseason stuff. He was recruiter of the year like twice already. He recruited well at Ole Miss and his teams were still bad. There's more to it than just getting highly touted recruits. There's making sure you get the highly rated guys who actually fit what you're trying to do. There's picking coordinators that can do the job and fit what you're trying to do. There's picking assistants that can coach them up. There's managing players and keeping them on focus week after week. There's managing boosters and keeping money flowing into the program. I'd like someone who has shown they can balance all of that to some degree to coach my football team.
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big money big clit posted:He recruited well at Ole Miss and his teams were still bad. There's more to it than just getting highly touted recruits. There's making sure you get the highly rated guys who actually fit what you're trying to do. There's picking coordinators that can do the job and fit what you're trying to do. There's picking assistants that can coach them up. There's managing players and keeping them on focus week after week. There's managing boosters and keeping money flowing into the program. it says here *checks notes* uhh it says here "tommy tubberville will be available"
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