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You know, gently caress it, this might be entertaining. Let's see if you can justify that the state children's healthcare insurance program is actually all thanks to Elizabeth Warren or something, and that the eeeeevil Hillary and Ted Kennedy both tried to destroy it to feast on children's souls or some poo poo.
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Based on a piece of legislation that was passed in Massachusetts by progressives! I'll give you that they didn't actively attempt to worsen it like they did with mass incarceration and financial regulation tho.
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Fiction posted:Based on a piece of legislation that was passed in Massachusetts by progressives! I'll give you that they didn't actively attempt to worsen it like they did with mass incarceration and financial regulation tho. loving hell, warn a man next time. You threw those goalposts so quickly it nearly took my head off. So now you've moved it from "progressives were totally the only people who ever did anything good ever, and everyone else was either totally lazy and did nothing, or were meany mean pants who totally tried to stop it" to "progressives were involved, somewhere, at some level, and contributed something, maybe". And even that's loving wrong. Fighting the EPA on lying about hazards at ground zero, Healthcare for first responders, and the James Zedrogra 9/11 Health and Compensation Act. Go.
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Fulchrum posted:loving hell, warn a man next time. You threw those goalposts so quickly it nearly took my head off.
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cams posted:imagine writing this imagine writing this
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Controversial hot take:politicsans can produce meaningful legislation that improves people's lives but can also do bad things as well
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themrguy posted:Controversial hot take:politicsans can produce meaningful legislation that improves people's lives but can also do bad things as well What about Ted Cruz?
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Fulchrum posted:loving hell, warn a man next time. You threw those goalposts so quickly it nearly took my head off. Get a load of this guy, forgetting where he was going and running to the wrong end of the field and accusing the other guy of moving the goalposts.
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Baloogan posted:imagine writing this imagine all the posters reading every one
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:imagine all the posters u may say im a dreamer but im not the only one
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Fulchrum posted:I think you'll find that eugenics is bad and progressivism is good, therefore it is impossible for eugenics to ever come from progressivism since something bad can never come from good . 1. The founder of planned parenthood was into eugenics. Does that make planned parenthood good or bad?
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Ladies and Gentlemen, *~The~Worst~Argument~On~The~Forums~* *A moment of stunned silence, then thunderous applause* Can we get back to talking about how lovely Cory Booker is, please?
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Cory Booker saved a woman from a burning building while he was a sitting politician.
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Qwazes posted:Cory Booker saved a woman from a burning building while he was a sitting politician. i think you're thinking of the movie "Head of State" starring Christopher Julius Rock III and Bernard Jeffery McCullough
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Qwazes posted:Cory Booker saved a woman from a burning building while he was a sitting politician. Shame he didn't put the same effort into saving Newark.
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Terror Sweat posted:i think you're thinking of the movie "Head of State" starring Christopher Julius Rock III and Bernard Jeffery McCullough http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/13/nyregion/newark-mayor-cory-booker-saves-woman-from-house-fire.html I'm not saying his policies are good, but c'mon, that story is ok.
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Also lol at the idea that Ted Kennedy isn't a progressive. And guess what, his lifelong dream of legislating universal health care was stopped by...Jimmy Carter! Funny how that happens.
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Qwazes posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/13/nyregion/newark-mayor-cory-booker-saves-woman-from-house-fire.html I know, it's just funny that in the movie Chris rock is a black politician who saves a lady from a burning building then runs for president on the Democratic ticket
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Fiction posted:Also lol at the idea that Ted Kennedy isn't a progressive. If he wanted universal health care he shouldn't have murdered that lady
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So what exactly is preventing the Democrats from having an event like the '94 Gingrich Revolution so that they can become unified and useful as a political party?
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Nietzschean posted:So what exactly is preventing the Democrats from having an event like the '94 Gingrich Revolution so that they can become unified and useful as a political party? The Democrats
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Nietzschean posted:So what exactly is preventing the Democrats from having an event like the '94 Gingrich Revolution so that they can become unified and useful as a political party? single-member districts, party polarization, and the collapse of the blue dogs
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Fiction posted:Also lol at the idea that Ted Kennedy isn't a progressive. And Hillary Clintons dream of legislating universal health care was stopped by a billion dollar advertising push and combined effort that showed they would never allow it to happen. So I guess that makes Hillary more of a progressive than Kennedy. So now you're going with the other tool of a dumbass who knows he has lost the argument but cannot bring himself to admit it, just loving making up the definition of words into whatever might make what you said true.
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Concerned Citizen posted:single-member districts, party polarization, and the collapse of the blue dogs What do we need to do to fix this?
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Fiction posted:And guess what, his lifelong dream of legislating universal health care was stopped by...Jimmy Carter! Funny how that happens. it's the other way around. carter and kennedy had two competing plans. kennedy's couldn't pass congress, carter's could. but kennedy rallied opposition to the carter plan, killing them both. kennedy's political motivation was that he was running for president, of course.
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Nietzschean posted:What do we need to do to fix this? wait 100 years or so probably
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I'll concede the point and the argument even though it doesn't contradict me since it never got passed, though. What's stopping Russ Feingold from running in 2020?
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Concerned Citizen posted:wait 100 years or so probably It's rhetoric like this that fuels accelerationism.
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Fiction posted:I'll concede the point and the argument even though it doesn't contradict me since it never got passed, though. Yeezus 2020
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Nietzschean posted:It's rhetoric like this that fuels accelerationism. well it's just reality. the founders of this country made is exceedingly difficult to amend the constitution, and one of the drawbacks is the minority party will always block amendments that will hurt them. short of a sweep where democrats control 38 state legislatures, the us senate and the house, it's unlikely that single-member districts will disappear. polarization will rise and fall, but that won't actually help the left as it will lead to a 2008 situation where left-wingers decided their best strategy was to try and purify the party with primaries which largely just replaced conservative democrats with republicans. it's clear the us would benefit from major policy changes, but the reality is that no matter how hard we wish otherwise the republicans will continue to take power in this country despite receiving fewer votes than the democrats due to the electorally superior allocation of their voters. and even if democrats managed to get 60 votes again and forced through something like single payer, a republican scotus would kill it because donald trump won the presidency and replaced all the progressives with insane people who hate social democracy. the system is enormously difficult to change and the gains we do make are extremely fragile. it took a great depression to end the last conservative-era, and it will probably take another to end this one. it will optimistically take decades to get to where the left wants us to be, and much of it will be painful incrementalism with periodic steps back. there is no quick alternative - only the neverending struggle without ever getting a satisfying, comprehensive victory.
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Fiction posted:I'll concede the point and the argument even though it doesn't contradict me since it never got passed, though. A guy who lost two straight senate races? Who does he think he is, Abraham Lincoln?
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Well good news: we're almost guaranteed a global depression thanks to climate change and the instability of global credit. So stock up on your guns I guess.
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zegermans posted:A guy who lost two straight senate races? Who does he think he is, Abraham Lincoln? Haven't you heard? When you're a star, you can do anything.
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Fulchrum posted:You know, gently caress it, this might be entertaining. Let's see if you can justify that the state children's healthcare insurance program is actually all thanks to Elizabeth Warren or something, and that the eeeeevil Hillary and Ted Kennedy both tried to destroy it to feast on children's souls or some poo poo. You're making up the opposing arguments in your head. You're deranged.
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Vox Nihili posted:You're making up the opposing arguments in your head. You're deranged. Alright, let's see if you can come up with one non-tortured interpretation of what he said that isn't exactly what I'm asking him to justify. Condiv posted:The founder of planned parenthood was into eugenics. Does that make planned parenthood good or bad? Yep, that sure does make it clear that arguing all good things have only ever come from one group, and everything bad ever is all the fault of every other group, is loving stupid. Maybe you should check to see who is arguing that. Fulchrum has issued a correction as of 22:15 on Nov 25, 2016 |
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Fulchrum posted:Alright, let's see if you can come up with one non-tortured interpretation of what he said that isn't exactly what I'm asking him to justify.
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cams posted:you have an inherent difficulty communicating or comprehending ideas Considering that you're the ones trying to argue that the words "Socialists and progressives are responsible for all of the good things the Democratic party has done, and they happened in spite of-not because of- the party structure." don't actually mean that he is trying to claim that socialists and progressives are responsible for all the good things, and that everyone else just tried to stop them, I'm not the one with problems comprehending meaning.
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