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Quorum posted:No Trumps. In a 5-4 decision, SCOTUS rules that constitution states "No Trumps" so we're allowed to have one.
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Quorum posted:To follow this metaphor further, just because America is bad does not mean that there aren't worse people out there, and even though there are people who bizarrely idolize the Joker out of some kind of perverse irony, that doesn't make him a good guy by any means. Bane was the only good guy. At least the only honest guy.
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g0del posted:I know we're having fun playing 'who's the real fascist', but I couldn't let this one pass. Fishmech, are you actually trying to use absolute numbers of jobs compared over a 40 year period to show that we didn't lose many manufacturing jobs? While completely ignoring the population growth in between? That's his whole gimmick 
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:In a 5-4 decision, SCOTUS rules that constitution states "No Trumps" so we're allowed to have one. In subsequent rulings, Ivanka is a Kushner so she is allowed in as well.
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Nov 25, 2016 21:31
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Stallion Cabana posted:The only true power in America is the County Sheriff. Any other official is fake and should be hung.
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RuanGacho posted:
Arguing against automation is a total lost cause. It's happening no matter what. The only remaining argument is how we use the gains. More automation means cheaper services and goods, but it also means less people gainfully employed in the current system. If anyone considers themselves on the side of a social or communal oriented society, automation is the thing for you. Goods and services get cheaper, and we don't need to do them anymore. We could move into a post scarcity and post work Star Trek style society. However we could also move into a dystopian Hunger Games society where only a select few are trained for the tiny amount of jobs needed, and the huge margins available are kept at the top. The only hope you have at the bottom are to get lucky, kind of the equivalent of someone born in the ghetto making the NBA today. I think the only next step is a universal minimum income. Without that as the first step we are heading to Hinger Games.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I love this report that the Trump campaign people want Romney to essentially 'kiss the ring' and apologize to Trump if he wants the SoS job I bet they just want to force him to do that so they can laugh at him and not give him the job anyway.
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Trump chooses KT McFarland as Deputy National Security Advisor. She is currently a Fox News Contributor and was previously a speechwriter for the Defense Department in the Reagan and W. Bush Administrations. She also ran for Senate in 2006 against Hillary Clinton, lost the Republican primary, and is most famous for claiming that Hillary Clinton sent black helicopters to spy on her in The Hamptons. quote:McFarland claimed that Clinton was so worried about her candidacy that she sent secret helicopters to spy on her house in the Hamptons and also cased her apartment in Manhattan. "Hillary Clinton is really worried about me, and is so worried, in fact, that she had helicopters flying over my house in Southampton today taking pictures." This continues Trump's trend of picking people with little or no foreign policy experience to lead all of the top military and diplomatic posts. https://twitter.com/jwpetersNYT/status/802185323639873536 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Nov 25, 2016 |
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Nov 25, 2016 22:06
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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/802257934700920832 Ugh I hate how much trump is gonna siphon from America
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MattD1zzl3 posted:So you're planning on a world where females by and large do not reproduce because they are smart enough to know better? hell yeah!
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Nov 25, 2016 22:15
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stein just officially filed in WI
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Nov 25, 2016 22:39
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Bullfrog posted:stein just officially filed in WI its_happening.gif 2016 is the
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Bullfrog posted:stein just officially filed in WI This will all end in tears. Also it will further strengthen idiots shouting Trump in airplane aisles.
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Nov 25, 2016 23:21
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What are everybody's thoughts on Gilibrand? I don't know too much about her, but rumors are she's been meeting with several Clinton donors. She seems to be a likely candidate for 2020.
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TheBigAristotle posted:This will all end in tears. Also it will further strengthen idiots shouting Trump in airplane aisles. I suggest smacking idiots in the kneecap who do that. Make it look like you tripped getting up to take a piss.
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Nov 25, 2016 23:24
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I still don't understand how Stein can request the state do a recount and they would do it. Wouldn't it have to be part of a court case?
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She was a candidate.
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Samurai Sanders posted:I still don't understand how Stein, a private citizen, can request the state do a recount and they would do it. Because she was a candidate for President on the ballot in that state and the state law allows candidates to request a recount, provided they pay a fee to cover the costs.
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RuanGacho posted:Fishmech makes a good point by proxy, the boomers that grew up in small towns bolstered by these factory drop ins have done a lot to reinforce this view of America the factory working. Those towns death warrants were written 20-30 years ago and they happen to be coming home to roost at basically the worst possible time for Clinton style Democrats. I've actually been reading a book about the rise and fall of Detroit, and looking around a bit at stats, and those towns all peaked in the 1940s during WWII. Both manufacturing jobs and population have been in steady decline ever since. So more like 60-70 years ago.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:I've actually been reading a book about the rise and fall of Detroit, and looking around a bit at stats, and those towns all peaked in the 1940s during WWII. Both manufacturing jobs and population have been in steady decline ever since. Half the reason why Oregon has so few minorities is because the town that housed them during shipbuilding in WW2 literally got flooded by the state after the war, leaving thousands homeless. People promptly bugged the gently caress out after that.
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This has been bouncing around my Facebook feed for the past two days - Roland Martin just ended white supremacist Richard Spencer's 15 minutes of fame This the dangerous effect of the bubble. No one is getting destroyed here. This nazi is smart. This nazi is handsome. This nazi knows how to make his arguments sound reasonable. Do not give this nazi airtime.
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Nov 25, 2016 23:44
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Kubrick posted:This nazi is smart.
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Kubrick posted:This has been bouncing around my Facebook feed for the past two days - Why stick your head in the sand? There will always be a dipshit who will find this loser and align himself with their dipshit views. Better to deal with them by revealing their foolishness than by letting it fester in the dark. Also, "handsome", lmfao. He looks like a slightly inbred software developer. SunAndSpring fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Nov 25, 2016 |
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SunAndSpring posted:Why stick your head in the sand? There will always be a dipshit who will find this loser and align himself with their dipshit views. I would like less of those. quote:Better to deal with them by revealing their foolishness than by letting it fester in the dark. Then we should actually deal with them. If you put these crafty white nationalists, who have spent their lifetimes seducing angry and confused people, up against typical talking heads then they will come out stronger.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Half the reason why Oregon has so few minorities is because the town that housed them during shipbuilding in WW2 literally got flooded by the state after the war, leaving thousands homeless. People promptly bugged the gently caress out after that. Also Oregon was intentionally settled as a White Community and made it difficult for black people to buy land for a long time. quote:When Oregon was granted statehood in 1859, it was the only state in the Union admitted with a constitution that forbade black people from living, working, or owning property there. It was illegal for black people even to move to the state until 1926. Oregon’s founding is part of the forgotten history of racism in the American west. Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Nov 26, 2016 |
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SunAndSpring posted:Better to deal with them by revealing their foolishness than by letting it fester in the dark. There are far more efficient ways of dealing with nazis.
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Trabisnikof posted:Also Oregon was intentionally settled as a White Community and made it difficult for black people to buy land for a long time. To be fair, the latter was true across the rust belt for most of the 20th Century. Here's a taste of that from Detroit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orville_L._Hubbard#Hubbard.27s_segregationist_policies
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The Wall Street Journal is reporting that a spokesman for Ben Carson has confirmed that he will accept the nomination for HUD Secretary under Trump.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The Wall Street Journal is reporting that a spokesman for Ben Carson has confirmed that will accept the nomination for HUD Secretary under Trump.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The Wall Street Journal is reporting that a spokesman for Ben Carson has confirmed that he will accept the nomination for HUD Secretary under Trump. People are gonna say this is a bad move, but Ole Benny knows when you're building a wide empire it's better to rush the great Pyramids than try to build granaries in all your cities.
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Maybe he'll start a grain silos subsidy program and pyramids will start popping up everywhere. e: motherfucker
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The major chain grocery store near me just eliminated their self-checkout machines. Lots of retailers are realizing they aren't all they're cracked up to be.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:I've actually been reading a book about the rise and fall of Detroit, and looking around a bit at stats, and those towns all peaked in the 1940s during WWII. Both manufacturing jobs and population have been in steady decline ever since. Here's the basic cycle for small towns in this country: Early-mid 19th century: As small holding family farmers move into an area, a central location starts to develop a town. This town initially is just there for stores and other services for immediate needs, that aren't big enough to be worth a day or more of roundtrip travel to existing towns relatively nearby. As more people move in, this town grows. Sometimes it's not farming that draws people but mines or something, but you still tend to have a lot of local agriculture. After all, in 1800 85% of the country's population is employed in direct farm work, and even as of 1860 it's still like 55% of the country Late 19th century to about 1910: With freight rail finally available to all sorts of minor areas, these small scattered towns aren't too far from easy transport of local goods to national markets and easy ordering of specialty stuff from the national market. This is generally the small town's heyday. Many serious-size factories and mills can start up in these small towns because the transport available by rail means they aren't so reliant on having business in the local area. 1910s and 1920s: The smallholding family farms on the periphery of the small towns are starting to give up the lifestyle as small farming gets squeezed by the increasing viability of the national market. They're moving to the cities or sometime the suburbs of the city - and lucky small towns that are reasonably close to cities start to become incorporated in suburban development (they break out of this cycle). Also at the same time, a lot more people in the area have a car or even just a motorized tractor that can be driven a good ways far faster than horse-based travel. Because of this new mobility, a lot of the people who used to shop in the small town or rely on lawyers/banks/other services are now going an 5, 10, 30 miles out to a larger town in the area for better services, or to sell their produce. This starts to seriously cut into the viability of all these stores and service providers in the small town. 1930s: Leaving the small town's area continues to accelerate with the Great Depression really loving things up for a lot of smallholding farmers as well as other businesses. A lot of people simply can't make it the small town or its catchment area for shopping etc anymore. As they continue heading to the cities and suburbs, some shops and specialty services straight up close, or decide to move up to a larger town in the area to try to get a steadier business. This is essentially when the small town reaches a terminal condition, though it'll go on zombie like for a while yet. 1940s: War production takes even more people into the cities and suburbs. Some small towns experience a temporary boom as their factories/mills/etc get selected for war production, but others get nothing out of it. There's also, of course, tons of men who are called up to fight and that hurts economic activity. The closing of the stores and loss of services continues in the ones that didn't get a windfall. After the war, even many of the places that got a temporary boost during war production lose out again because the military's orders dry up (though some of them do pick up with Korean War stuff in the early 50s). At this point most of them are at least losing most of the children and young adults in the town and its surrounding area to the cities/suburbs, and might even straight up be shrinking. 1950s and 1960s: As the people who were temporarily drawn into the cities by the 30s and 40s leave, they're not heading back to their rural areas and small towns. They're moving to suburbs, because the rural areas do not hold any real life opportunities for them anymore. Those who served in World War II or the Korean War are most likely to have stuck around in suburban areas due to incentives from the GI Bill and related things - things like the qualifying education aren't available out in Small Town, Nowheresville, after all. The shuttering of local businesses and services are starting to get really severe (and at this time, if there was a factory or mill in town, it starts to become an increasing share of the local employment and economy, due to those shrinking). A large swathe of small towns luck out by being located close enough to cities or large towns to be incorporated into building suburbia, and so they drop out of the cycle at this point. 1970s to 1990s: The rot has really set in. There's only a small fraction of the stores and services that used to operate in the small town still open. Most people around there are now used to driving many miles over to another town for their shopping, to use a bank, and so on. Tons of the surrounding area has become large-holding farms each operating on land that might have had 10 or 20 families individually farming it in 1910 with many kids for each family for something like 50-100 people collectively working that land - now the large farm only employs 15-20 people. And due to the lack of places to work in the town from all those stores and services closing, actual town-dwellers are down a lot too. To cap it all off a lot of these small factories and mills aren't competitive in a world with all this improved transportation by truck and container vessel, and when a business can build a big factory outside a big city to do the work of many small ones. So these factories and mills, the last major employment in the area, start shutting down or severely cutting hours/staff to match reduced demand. 2000s to now: Most of these small towns are now about as hosed as they'll ever be, and that's really hosed. All the major economic engines of the small towns and their surrounding rural areas have been steadily eliminated over the past 100 years. This isn't to say all small towns are hosed, many managed to luck into things like being wear a major shopping center was built for its surrounding area (though that usually turbofucks every other surrounding town) or happen to have major tourist or transportation qualities that maintain a decent level of economic activity. But the average small town doesn't have any of those sorts of things, and if it's located reasonably near to the towns that do they're going to get hosed by it by being less attractive. An interesting aspect of this decline is that many of the people left are wealthier than you might expect - the farmers owning the massively expanded farms make pretty good money from their crops and federal subsidies, and a lot of the people who were very poor were forced by economics to move away long ago. There's also usually generic rich people around who wanted an estate with a lot of land, and can afford to deal with very extended drives to the cities or whatever - many of these people are retirees with sizeable nest eggs to afford this. These small towns now have very little chance of ever recovering, unless suburban sprawl manages to reach them. Their original base of "being the only place the local farmers could easily get to" died 100 years ago. The minor factories/mills that kept them going for a while after the commerce section started to die finally died 20-50 years ago. Now the only thing that could really help any one of them without the suburban areas happening to grow to them, would be some company finding a reason to move operations there - but there aren't nearly enough of those to go around across the tens of thousands of small towns across the country. And tourism isn't going to pick up in most of them, because they aren't located near anything particularly interesting - and for the ones who are, there's usually already some place that has the local tourist trade locked down. Also as a side note: usually larger towns that had their factories die were able to pivot into being more of an office or services based employment market, or to coast by as a place to live relatively cheaply and commute to a better employment center. But the average small town doesn't have that critical mass of people to pivot into equivalent local employment of another type, nor was it close enough to pivot into being a bedroom community with most local employment being strip mall type stores for the convenience of not driving all the way to where you work to shop for basic stuff. Perhaps if the factories had straight up died 50-80 years ago when the small towns and their surrounding areas hadn't lost so many people, they could have sustained the necessary changes.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The Wall Street Journal is reporting that a spokesman for Ben Carson has confirmed that he will accept the nomination for HUD Secretary under Trump. I thought former presidential candidate Ben Carson said he didn't have enough political experience to accept a cabinet position?
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Joking aside: at the risk of sounding racist, what makes Trump or conservatives think Carson is qualified for this position besides the fact the department has "urban" in the name and Carson is black?
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alpha_destroy posted:Joking aside: at the risk of sounding racist, what makes Trump or conservatives think Carson is qualified for this position besides the fact the department has "urban" in the name and Carson is black? I think that Carson has at times pontificated about the nature of Federal housing programs to various horrible ends, such as saying that housing discrimination laws should be repealed.
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HannibalBarca posted:I think that Carson has at times pontificated about the nature of Federal housing programs to various horrible ends, such as saying that housing discrimination laws should be repealed. Great... I was hoping that he actually knew literally nothing about, as in not even enough to have bad ideas. Well poo poo.
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:I thought former presidential candidate Ben Carson said he didn't have enough political experience to accept a cabinet position? I think we can assume that Ben Carson has by now forgotten what he had for breakfast, much less what he had as a position on anything some time ago.
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