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Hilario Baldness posted:If we make a new thread one of the posts should be dedicated to listing the 500 different socialist parties. and which ones are fronts for larouche
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And by smash I mean give them productive labor to do and fair compensation for that labor
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My local PSL has gotten through the backlog and emailed me to come sit down with them and "discuss moving forward to build a revolutionary socialist organization." Do I need to pretend to be a Marxist, or can I admit to being a soc dem who just wants to hoist the red flag and start slitting throats?
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:My local PSL has gotten through the backlog and emailed me to come sit down with them and "discuss moving forward to build a revolutionary socialist organization." Do I need to pretend to be a Marxist, or can I admit to being a soc dem who just wants to hoist the red flag and start slitting throats? If you talk the same way you post ITT don't expect a warm welcome.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:If you talk the same way you post ITT don't expect a warm welcome. Wait...do you talk the way you post? Jesus.
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Wait...do you talk the way you post? Jesus. Girls aren't impressed when I quote urls at them
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Weeping Wound posted:are those FN FALs? resar posted:not a gun sperg but it looks like aks and ar 15s I'm more of a gun sperg than either of you probably, but not enough to name specific brands. from left to right 1- Guy has his gun slung behind his back, can't tell. Looks like the only one that decided to wear proper boots though. 2- Likely some AR-15 derivative with expensive optics on it. 3- An AK-47 derivative, specifically a Hungarian paratrooper carbine (reverse google search led me to a post where someone identified it as a AMD 63) 4- Definitely an AR-15 derivative., appears to have a typical M4 collapsible stock and birdcage flash hider, a plastic magazine and non-M4 ironsights. FN FALs are pretty large and have straight box magazines. Concordat fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Fututor Magnus posted:does anyone know a good, open-access, criticism of neoclassical economics from a marxian perspective? explicitly marxian is tricky to find compared to, say, post-keynesian. wolff actually wrote a comparative text or two, but it should probably be read critically due to what i understand are some questionably deployed philosophical categories. steve keen is a post-keynesian with an asinine reading of marx, but he dispatches well enough with various tropes of undergraduate economics pedagogy. i also haven't had the chance to vet this essay but Ben Fine generally lives up to or otherwise outperforms his name, so there's probably no harm in linking it (he's actually got a couple new books out this year on micro and macro respectively) either way, while a marxian perspective might give one a vantage point that might not have otherwise occurred, the best critiques are immanent critiques, taking the theory on its own terms and finding contradictions, inconsistencies, etc. external critique is more about making a case for which theory better fits the observable facts, but usually that's still a correlative process and the problem of underdetermination can and often will leave things far from definitive but if you come upon any more specific questions, never hurts to ask. Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:My local PSL has gotten through the backlog and emailed me to come sit down with them and "discuss moving forward to build a revolutionary socialist organization." Do I need to pretend to be a Marxist, or can I admit to being a soc dem who just wants to hoist the red flag and start slitting throats? just tell them you killed rosa luxemburg but you're sorry and want to turn over a new leaf Aeolius fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Nov 24, 2016 |
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Aeolius posted:explicitly marxian is tricky to find compared to, say, post-keynesian. wolff actually wrote a comparative text or two, but it should probably be read critically due to what i understand are some questionably deployed philosophical categories. steve keen is a post-keynesian with an asinine reading of marx, but he dispatches well enough with various tropes of undergraduate economics pedagogy. i also haven't had the chance to vet this essay but Ben Fine generally lives up to or otherwise outperforms his name, so there's probably no harm in linking it (he's actually got a couple new books out this year on micro and macro respectively) "When critiquing Marx don't worry about real life too much" The less educated Marxists (umm most in this thread) should take in the full meaning of that advice from their more educated counterpart. There are actually more farms (~2 million) than hired farm workers in the U.S. (~1 million). So actually more owners than hired workers. Which is the logical result of mechanization. There just arn't that many workers so the idea of the land baron overseeing 100's of field hands just doesn't really happen. The fact is that farming is drastically less corporate than almost literally any other industry. asdf32 fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Nov 24, 2016 |
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asdf32 posted:There are actually more farms (~2 million) than hired farm workers in the U.S. (~1 million). So actually more owners than hired workers. Which is the logical result of mechanization. There just arn't that many workers so the idea of the land baron overseeing 100's of field hands just doesn't really happen. The fact is that farming is drastically less corporate than almost literally any other industry. Do I have to explain how the cropland bar correlates to the farm bar on that graph? Millions of "farm owners" aren't performing the actual productive labor in agriculture. Land barons do oversee hundreds of field hands. Even the seasonal illegal labor used to pick fruit involves dozens of people working constantly, even for small scale farms.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Do I have to explain how the cropland bar correlates to the farm bar on that graph? Millions of "farm owners" aren't performing the actual productive labor in agriculture. Land barons do oversee hundreds of field hands. Even the seasonal illegal labor used to pick fruit involves dozens of people working constantly, even for small scale farms. No because instead of waving at farm size we should look up workers directly: 50% of the roughly 3 million farm owners work their farms entirely. So that's 1.5 million owner/workers compared to ~1 million hired workers. I also assume that many undocumented temp workers arn't counted, and maybe the season numbers go up. But it doesn't add up to the picture you're trying to paint. https://www.census.gov/prod/1/statbrief/sb93_10.pdf
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asdf32 posted:No because instead of waving at farm size we should look up workers directly: 50% of the roughly 3 million farm owners work their farms entirely. So that's 1.5 million owner/workers compared to ~1 million hired workers. I also assume that many undocumented temp workers arn't counted, and maybe the season numbers go up. But it doesn't add up to the picture you're trying to paint. Don't make sweeping generalizations based on census data from 23 years ago. We're talking about trends which have played out since then. Even in that cited census data, it shows that land ownership is consolidated into a smaller amount of hands, which is germane to this discussion because the point is that a million farm owner/laborers aren't doing the bulk of productive labor. It's the large scale industrial farms which do. Agricultural labor involves more than just the farm work force as well. You also have to account for all of the people who work for slaughter mills, cooping plants, processing facilities, transport, etc. Once you move beyond the farm level, it is most decisively a corporate-run industry. You also have to take into account that while, on paper, 2/3 of farm land may be owned by actual farmers rather than landlords, they are still indebted to banks and corporate lenders for the highly capital intensive equipment and methods which keep them competitive.
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asdf32 posted:"When critiquing Marx don't worry about real life too much" Just a quick check-in: Does anyone actually need me to respond to this, or are we good on reading comprehension here?
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https://twitter.com/PissPigGranddad/status/800615318502641664 Happy thanksgiving, red puppers.
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Aeolius posted:Just a quick check-in: Does anyone actually need me to respond to this, or are we good on reading comprehension here? Please respond. I get a kick out of seeing "Marxism is a science" arguments juxtaposed with actual Marxism. Like the other guys who don't actually know Marx are at an advantage but with you it's the real thing in all its comedic/tragic glory. Remember that the world depends on your teachings. Please keep them coming.
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asdf32 posted:Heh. It's a holiday, asdf32; go be a father to your daughters. Do some good somewhere.
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Aeolius posted:It's a holiday, asdf32; go be a father to your daughters. Do some good somewhere. Demanding that people pay attention to their family on Thanksgiving for even a minute longer than is prescribed by custom is the worst kind of communist tyranny. Seize the banks, fine. But be reasonable, for God's sake.
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"EXCLUSIVE: DAPL Builds Razor Wire Wall On Native Burial Ground" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7UavuUxOGM Consider helping shelter the NODAPL activists if you can this holiday season. https://www.gofundme.com/yurts-for-standing-rock
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Atrocious Joe posted:Rural and working class America has plenty of weird looking people and lovely beards. Put your average hipster douche in a camo t-shirt(or jacket), non-skinny jeans, and a camo hat and he's Rural America. Grondoth fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Nov 26, 2016 |
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zen death robot posted:It's still true, rebranding does wonders see: the alt-right probably so, which is why the psl literature avoids using "communism" i shy away from it too unless i'm in friendly circles or semi-anonymous like this forum
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I don't we what's wrong with using "socialism" if you use its original meaning.
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Fiction posted:I don't we what's wrong with using "socialism" if you use its original meaning. 60+ years of McCarthyist influence on discourse. 
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"Condemn me. It does not matter. History will absolve me."
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Brothers, sisters, and siblings, How do we mobilize a revolution in the USA? (Serious question. Can it be done? Must we follow the DSA's attempts to shift the electorate left, or can we do something outside of the ballot box?)
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:Brothers, sisters, and siblings, Anything done outside the ballot box would be a long-term cultural project, which provides direct assistance to the people. Pener Kropoopkin posted:Overcoming the cultural biases against left wing politics in the United States is the first great hurdle that must be overcome. In that sense, the revolution has to start on a cultural base. We should be holding free concerts featuring local artists, where we can introduce people to our respective parties and the direct services we can offer: food, clothes, shelter, maybe even medical care. A socialist party should be a party. People don't have to believe in it, they just have to see that the project works, that it's fun, and that it's an out from the strict confines of inherited culture. Socialist parties shouldn't seek to rival the church as a locus of community activity, but to create bridges between people of all denominations and creeds so that we can form a real common solidarity. We could create a tangible environment of intersectionality upon which to eventually build a socialist mass movement against capitalism.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:Brothers, sisters, and siblings, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployed_Councils
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G.C. Furr III posted:hasta la victoria siempre
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I am baffled that Castro wanted to keep all those exiles, they're the fuckin worst
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platzapS posted:I am baffled that Castro wanted to keep all those exiles, they're the fuckin worst yeah and i gotta deal with them every time i go down to miami
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Cuba realized how terrible people like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are and rightly kicked them out. The fact that the people celebrating Castro's death in Miami are waving Trump signs and MAGA hats should tell you something.
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