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NikkolasKing posted:What if its true, though? America is the exception not the rule when it comes to absolute freedom of speech. Our good friends in "the West" pretty much all have limits on said freedom because they recognize by exercising your right, you are sometimes infringing on the rights of others. America doesn't have absolute freedom of speech either. Try calling your restaurant by your last name, if it is McDonald's or say something bad about someone powerful, or say that you want to kill/hurt someone in power. In the first two cases you'll be buried under law suits (trademark infringement, libel, slander, trump does this), in the second you'll get g-men, ss, no such agency and if you're really lucky the shadow factory to keep an eye on you. The point is, that even the US has limits.The US does take free speech part more seriously than a lot of western countries (it's one of the few civil liberties it does though). It's why it's not illegal to beg in the US for exmple, where most European have laws against it. Of course, begging being legal doesn't mean that the US won't use its militarized police to beat people who beg to death, or run them out of town for made up reasons, but technically people are allowed to beg. Regarding Castro, he was pretty bad, but not bad as Reagan or any of the Bushes on the grand scale of 'people being responsible for heinous, awful, poo poo'.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Communism loving sucks. Yeah, from what I can tell communism is like the evil version of socialism. In theory it may be something different, but in practice it always seems to lead to one small group of people having all the power and living comfortably while everyone else suffers. So it has the same ends as capitalism even if the means of getting there are different.
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Kilroy posted:Singapore is poo poo-tier and the state will murder you on the barest of pretenses. Upper middle-class Singaporeans love it for the same reason upper middle-class people everywhere love their country, that being that their society is organized around their comfort. Rich white assholes visit it and sing its praises back home for the same reasons rich white assholes always love SE Asia and sing its praises (i.e. business opportunities and sex tourism). If you are just saying Singapore is poo poo because it has the death penalty, ok, but if you are implying that the state constantly murders its political opponents ????? because I am not sure this has ever happened.
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Singapore is how I'd imagine a post-Juche NK to be were it to still be run by the Kim clan.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Yeah, from what I can tell communism is like the evil version of socialism. In theory it may be something different, but in practice it always seems to lead to one small group of people having all the power and living comfortably while everyone else suffers. This is insanely reductive. Not to say you're wrong, but you're tripping over the truth in a field of awful reasoning.
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Chomskyan posted:
I'd go and say that he should be lobbying the incoming administration but they want to kill him instead of throwing him in jail.
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FAUXTON posted:Singapore is how I'd imagine a post-Juche NK to be were it to still be run by the Kim clan. You can actually draw similarities between Singapore and South Korea. Nowadays people just know that South Korea = democracy, North Korea = dictatorship, but for a long time after the Korean war the governments were in many ways as bad as each other. North Korea went the communist dictatorship route, South Korea a capitalist dictatorship.
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Chomskyan posted:
I think it's a higher priority to pardon Chelsea Manning before her jailers push her into a successful suicide attempt. Ya know, Obama is charismatic as gently caress and has done some good but I think it's the charisma that does it. I never see a bad word against him. I mean, most of the time. Even the people who criticize him usually preface it with "I like Obama but...." Is there any consensus on what his legacy will be?
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Castro was okay, it's that fucker Che people should be mad about.
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Senor Tron posted:You can actually draw similarities between Singapore and South Korea. True. I remember in college a professor telling a story about how he loudly badmouthed the government while drunk when he was young in Korea. He was American so the government didn't gently caress with him but all of his Korean friends who were there were brought in for questioning despite having said nothing.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Yeah, from what I can tell communism is like the evil version of socialism. In theory it may be something different, but in practice it always seems to lead to one small group of people having all the power and living comfortably while everyone else suffers. actually, communism is good
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Senor Tron posted:You can actually draw similarities between Singapore and South Korea. Actually South Korea is run by an anime inspired cult
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we live in a GITS episode - korean prez manipulated by a psychic, the creation of the american empire
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gently caress this loving country http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-cargo-pilots-strike-20161123-story.html "unions can't go on strike! what about our christmas presents  !!!" - a federal judge
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Condiv posted:gently caress this loving country an obama appointee.... yes, liberalism is a friend to the working man
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NikkolasKing posted:Is there any consensus on what his legacy will be? Better than a lot of presidents, worse than a lot of presidents. First black dude. Didn't gently caress up the nation too badly on his own. Basically didn't get much done. Not a bad guy, I guess. Alternate answer: Louis XVI
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Senor Tron posted:You can actually draw similarities between Singapore and South Korea. How ironic would it be if South Korea implodes before North Korea
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Swan Oat posted:an obama appointee.... yes, liberalism is a friend to the working man Thanks Obama. You'll always be the number one president.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Castro exiled the parents of Armando Christian Perez, who grew up to be the rapper Pitbull Godammit Castro! Rot in hell.
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NikkolasKing posted:Ya know, Obama is charismatic as gently caress and has done some good but I think it's the charisma that does it. I never see a bad word against him. I mean, most of the time. Even the people who criticize him usually preface it with "I like Obama but...." Bulldozed by Paul Ryan in a few months.
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blue squares posted:Didn't realize it was him. Now I suspect the story in the post is wildly inaccurate Nah, it's true. http://www.villagevoice.com/news/rudy-giulianis-five-big-lies-about-9-11-6424659 Giuliani completely ignored the lessons from the 1993 WTC bombing, went against smarter people's recommendations, and then retroactively claimed all kinds of nonsense about how great he was at seeing the terrorist threat and planning for it. He's a shrieking hate goblin with nothing but lies and media fluffery to back him up.
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So I got up this morning and I saw that Donald Trump took out Fidel Castro.
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Swan Oat posted:an obama appointee.... yes, liberalism is a friend to the working man Considering that the Democratic Party pretty much has charter school pushing as a pillar, they've made it quite clear that they too enjoy union busting.
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Rexicon1 posted:My grandfather fought for Castro but was imprisoned after Castro decided to take his promises of Democracy away and he had GALL to disagree with Castro on that. One of his closest friends was used as an example for the rest of the people who dissented from Che/Castro's communist shift and they shot him in the middle of the prison near Matanzas. Yea, Castro was a real hero of the people. Stop loving being lovely. Castro wasn't a hero nor even a good person. He was a dictator and ideologue who killed his enemies. So what happened to Castro? Did he start off a a legit hero to the people, free Cuba, and all the power went to his head at one point? Or was he always a jerk? I can't tell if this is ironic or unironic
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:So what happened to Castro? Did he start off a a legit hero to the people, free Cuba, and all the power went to his head at one point? Or was he always a jerk? Lol The US has caused more pain and suffering to the Cuban people than Fidel
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Lol The two aren't mutually exclusive.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:So what happened to Castro? Did he start off a a legit hero to the people, free Cuba, and all the power went to his head at one point? Or was he always a jerk? Before the revolution, Cubans were mostly poor and their government was run by a crook who was propped up by American money and crime. After the revolution, Cubans were mostly poor and their government was run by a dictator who was propped up by Soviet money and crime. He did institute some successful programs for improving the lives of Cubans. He also caused a lot of Cubans to suffer.  e: Batista was a dictator too btw
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Before the revolution, Cubans were mostly poor and their government was run by a crook who was propped up by American money and crime. You're forgetting dude, there are no shades of grey in D&D, you're either the hero of the revolution, or history's greatest monster.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Before the revolution, Cubans were mostly poor and their government was run by a crook who was propped up by American money and crime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs&t=304s
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GreyjoyBastard posted:The two aren't mutually exclusive. No poo poo. But the US has done more damage to the Cuban people than Fidel.
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I, for one, think it's pretty bad that there's a huge prison and torture camp in Cuba.
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I've had the privilege sit through one of Fidel's famous six hour speeches when he came to Harlem in 2000
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Joementum posted:I, for one, think it's pretty bad that there's a huge prison and torture camp in Cuba. http://image.tmdb.org/t/p/original/ndfXDWmyIDJf6uSXKK5z46EcXwL.jpg
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NikkolasKing posted:Is there any consensus on what his legacy will be? "Obama: He wasn't white!". The end. Nothing else will stand the test of time, or the first 100 days of Trump's administration.
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And what's the deal with this Castro guy? I mean cmon!
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Mulva posted:"Obama: He wasn't white!". Nuclear hellfire will consume all legacy.
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I'm expecting Obama to be remembered pretty positively. Not top-5 material or anything, but definitely on the "more good than not" side, did some good stuff, stymied by the opposition and perhaps too naive to really contend with that when he had the chance. Of course there's probably going to be a gulf between the American people and political nerds who like to sit down and try to rank presidents by a halfway-objective measure. e; He's almost certainly going to be getting good marks for being the very paragon of probity and treating the office with appropriate dignity, and that's going to be especially obvious when compared to his successor.
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