Crawl .20: Home of the Frog Dog

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Dairy Power: Jul 23, 2013; He who lives in harmony with himself lives in harmony with the universe.

Well, I'm back to getting runes at least. But then I decided to do Elf 3 because I had super high MR and getting abyss'd is the only real threat there right? One of the sorcerers hasted himself and did 80-90 damage in one of my turns through my 35 AC with a blast of damnation + corrosive blast and that was that. Does corrosive blast also ignore AC or did I just unlucky rolls? It looks like I was initially hit for 39 damage from the corrosive blast and then took another 14 (splashed by acid)?

Anyway, there was literally no reason to be in Elf other than greed and hubris and I feel dumb.

# ? Nov 26, 2016 04:56

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# ? May 13, 2024 23:21

tote up a bags: Jun 8, 2006; die stoats die

Fitzy Fitz posted:

I've found 3 wands of heal wounds on this deep dwarf. Just hit Lair.

It's taunting me.

Expend MP to strengthen wands mutation > mana drained as a titan appears

# ? Nov 26, 2016 05:01

Speleothing: May 6, 2008; Spare batteries are pretty key.

Seems like bad luck.
Elf has really good loot, and you honestly need the XP now that Lair, lair branches, and Orc have been cut back so much. No reason to skip it unless you're a stabber.

Sorcerers and High Priests are definitely the most dangerous elves, though.

Speleothing fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Nov 26, 2016

# ? Nov 26, 2016 05:04

Dr. Fraiser Chain: May 18, 2004; Redlining my shit posting machine

Finally got a vampire necromancer off of the ground. Managed to get through 10 levels of the dungeon and to the second floor of lair. Had a hell of a time putting down some undead uniques. All that time and not a single spellbook drop. Finally put down by a pack of blink frogs. All I had was that loving starter necro book.

# ? Nov 26, 2016 06:09

Can Of Worms: Sep 4, 2011; That's not how the Triangle Attack works...

If you play VpNe you really want to pick a god that complements your holes, which for VpNe is mid-game killing power. Kiku is solid (and probably the best option) since he'll give you the corpses you'll need to raise an army of the undead. You can also just transition into a hybrid build and pick up the first usable long blade/short blade on the ground and train it up but Vp works better if you can get stabs going.

Alternatively play an EE, a start that can actually carry a Vp for a while.

# ? Nov 26, 2016 07:03

tote up a bags: Jun 8, 2006; die stoats die

I just found a book containing Statue Form on this dude who is currently rampaging around in Dragon Form. What's the call on which is the better form?

edit: gently caress nevermind :v:

tote up a bags fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Nov 26, 2016

# ? Nov 26, 2016 09:05

Can Of Worms: Sep 4, 2011; That's not how the Triangle Attack works...

Dragon Form is better because you can still cast your spells at 100% speed.

# ? Nov 26, 2016 09:09

Carcer: Aug 7, 2010

Elf 3 was nearly ruinous for me, I had bright red draining by the time I walked out of there.

So where do I go next with this guy?

code:

Carcer the Slayer (Formicid Fighter)               Turns: 86158, Time: 05:43:30

HP:   237/237 (238) AC: 42    Str: 38    XL:     27
MP:   32/32         EV: 25    Int: 12    God:    Okawaru [******]
Gold: 10395         SH: 30    Dex: 21    Spells: 2 memorised, 20 levels left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis +    a - +9 triple sword (elec)
rCold  . . .      Gourm    .    P - +14 plate armour of Zyawkix {Str+3 Dex+4}
rNeg   + . .      Faith    .    x - +1 large shield
rPois  .          Spirit   .    (helmet unavailable)
rElec  .          Reflect  +    B - +0 cloak of Pelip {*Drain rN+ Str+8}
rCorr  +          Harm     .    s - +2 pair of gloves {archery}
MR     +++..                    v - +2 pair of boots {run}
Stlth  ++++......               g - amulet of Doulloig {Reflect Int+2 SH+3}
                                p - ring of resist corrosion
                                d - ring of protection from magic

@: quick
A: permanent stasis, dig shafts and tunnels, four strong arms, antennae 3,
strong 1, MP-powered wands
a: Dig, Shaft Self, Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion
}: 3/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, silver


You are on level 3 of the Crypt.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is exalted by your worship.
You are full.

You have visited 11 branches of the dungeon, and seen 53 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have also visited: Labyrinth and Ice Cave.

You have collected 10895 gold pieces.
You have spent 500 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +9 triple sword of electrocution (weapon)
 b - the +6 arbalest "Xutuej" {elec, rN+ MR++ Str+2}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 4 of the Shoals)   
   
   It charges the ammunition it shoots with electricity; occasionally upon a
   hit, such missiles may discharge and cause terrible harm.
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Missiles
 l - 2119 bolts
 m - 16 throwing nets (quivered)
Armour
 s - a +2 pair of gloves of archery (worn)
 v - a +2 pair of boots of running (worn)
 x - a +1 large shield (worn)
 B - the +0 cloak of Pelip (worn) {*Drain rN+ Str+8}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It affects your strength (+8).
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It causes draining when unequipped.
 P - the +14 plate armour of Zyawkix (worn) {Str+3 Dex+4}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 1 of the Vaults)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
Rods
 j - a +6 rod of shadows (10/10)
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
Jewellery
 d - a ring of protection from magic (left hand)
 g - the amulet of Doulloig (around neck) {Reflect Int+2 SH+3}
   (You took it off a merfolk on level 4 of the Shoals)   
   
   [amulet of reflection]
   
   It shields you and reflects attacks.
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It affects your SH (+3).
 n - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 p - a ring of resist corrosion (right hand)
 y - an uncursed ring of positive energy
 S - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 U - the ring "Ziomit" {rElec rPois Str+2 Int-2 Stlth+}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Realm of Zot)   
   
   [ring of stealth]
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your intelligence (-2).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from poison.
   It makes you more stealthy.
Wands
 E - a wand of heal wounds (7/9)
 R - a wand of disintegration (11/24)
Scrolls
 e - 8 scrolls of enchant armour
 q - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 t - 26 scrolls of remove curse
 w - 12 scrolls of identify
 A - a scroll of summoning
 F - a scroll of enchant weapon
 G - 5 scrolls of recharging
 J - 5 scrolls of fog
 L - 4 scrolls of silence
 M - 11 scrolls of fear
 N - a scroll of holy word
 X - 2 scrolls of brand weapon
Potions
 h - 23 potions of curing
 i - 8 potions of flight
 k - 5 potions of might
 o - 2 potions of cancellation
 r - 4 potions of invisibility
 D - 3 potions of resistance
 I - 3 potions of agility
 K - 2 potions of cure mutation
 Q - 2 potions of heal wounds
 T - 2 potions of magic
 Z - 4 potions of ambrosia
Miscellaneous
 c - a phial of floods
 u - a phantom mirror
 z - a lamp of fire
 C - a fan of gales
 V - 8 sacks of spiders
Comestibles
 f - 30 bread rations
 H - 18 beef jerkies
 O - a meat ration
 W - 4 fruits


   Skills:
 + Level 24.2 Fighting
 - Level 24.0 Long Blades
 - Level 18.2 Crossbows
 - Level 20.0 Armour
 - Level 19.9 Dodging
 - Level 22.4 Stealth
 - Level 19.0 Shields
   Level 3.4 Ice Magic
 - Level 8.4 Invocations
 - Level 12.4 Evocations

I've cleared zot 5 and cleared crypt. I'm leery about going into the abyss since I can't teleport to safety, tomb is terrifying for the same reason. Hell and Pan are bad and I'm not certain I can fight and kill the named pan lords or the hell lords.

e: Forgot about slime, went in and kicked TRJ's rear end with 0 issues.

Carcer fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Nov 26, 2016

# ? Nov 26, 2016 09:30

Elusif: Jun 9, 2008

Muwahahaha, D:2, rod of clouds and 2 exp potions. :rms:

Edit: Ack, that mystery altar was zin. Can't evoke that rod lest people get poisoned.

Elusif fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Nov 26, 2016

# ? Nov 26, 2016 14:31

aphid_licker: Jan 7, 2009

I've never had anything good come from venturing into Elf, or Slime for that matter. Just fuuuuuuuuuuuck that.

# ? Nov 26, 2016 15:16

Sage Grimm: Feb 18, 2013; Let's go explorin' little dude!

Take Slime slow as a non-heavy armour tabber and you'll obtain a lot of experience that way. Good way of bolstering yourself for the end game. It's far more even in terms of dangerous encounters than Elf.

# ? Nov 26, 2016 15:36

Elusif: Jun 9, 2008

I dont know why rupert had a +9 great mace of holy wrath but I'll take it.

Edit: It just struck me, I am a flying gargoyle why am I avoiding the shoals?

Edit 2: Oh right banishment. It is a good thing Zin owns in the abyss.

Elusif fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Nov 26, 2016

# ? Nov 26, 2016 17:54

Akett: Aug 6, 2012

E Equals MC Hammer posted:

Can't evoke that rod lest people get poisoned.

It's TSO that hates poison, Zin is perfectly fine with it.

# ? Nov 26, 2016 22:22

Smiling Knight: May 31, 2011

Akett posted:

It's TSO that hates poison, Zin is perfectly fine with it.

Maybe the issue is clouds of seething chaos?

# ? Nov 26, 2016 22:27

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Akett posted:

It's TSO that hates poison, Zin is perfectly fine with it.

TSO doesn't mind poison anymore, actually, though that's a new change.

Smiling Knight posted:

Maybe the issue is clouds of seething chaos?

The rod of clouds doesn't make those AFAIK.

It's the negative energy clouds that both those gods hate.

# ? Nov 26, 2016 22:36

Carcer: Aug 7, 2010

Is cerebov considered to be the hardest pan lord? I came within an inch of dying while running back to a murder hole (But mostly because of his gang of brimstone fiends) but once in it I chumped him.

# ? Nov 26, 2016 22:46

odiv: Jan 12, 2003

Maybe I missed it, but I just tried trunk for the first time since the tournament and what's with the blue replacing whatever was before it (grey?) for unseen walls and monsters missing in combat?

How do I get rid of that?

I could comb through my rc I guess.

edit:

code:

putty[5/5]: Lost darkgrey and want it back?  In your PuTTY
session, make sure 'Window->Colours->Allow terminal to use
xterm 256-colour mode' is checked and set
'Connection->Data->Terminal-type' to putty-256color.  In your
crawl rc, add 'allow_extended_colours=true' (no quotes).

odiv fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Nov 26, 2016

# ? Nov 26, 2016 22:50

Akett: Aug 6, 2012

Carcer posted:

Is cerebov considered to be the hardest pan lord?

He used to be, before they gave Lom Lobon a glaciate that hits way harder than player glaciate can. And tornado. And a self heal.

Lom is a dick.

# ? Nov 26, 2016 22:59

hito: Feb 13, 2012; Thank you, kids. By giving us this lift you're giving a lift to every law-abiding citizen in the world.

The only saving grace with Lom is that he's the easiest to steal the orb from and run. But yeah he's a nightmare to kill.

# ? Nov 26, 2016 23:22

resistentialism: Aug 13, 2007

That loving self heal is the worst RNG in the game. IE, whether he decides to use it or not.

Oh he just full healed himself, better abort this attempt, TP out and refresh everything. Hope you don't run out of haste.

# ? Nov 26, 2016 23:26

Fitzy Fitz: May 14, 2005

code:

The tengu conjurer casts a spell at you.
The lance of force reflects off an invisible shield around you!
The lance of force hits the tengu conjurer.
The tengu conjurer is knocked back by the lance of force.
The tengu conjurer slams into the metal wall!
The tengu conjurer dies!

This is funnier than usual because of the force lance mental image. I had totally forgotten that I was wearing that necklace.

# ? Nov 26, 2016 23:47

Dr. Fraiser Chain: May 18, 2004; Redlining my shit posting machine

Prism posted:

TSO doesn't mind poison anymore, actually, though that's a new change.

The rod of clouds doesn't make those AFAIK.

It's the negative energy clouds that both those gods hate.

Is this a future change? He was complaining about poison in my 0.19 game just now

# ? Nov 26, 2016 23:56

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Goodpancakes posted:

Is this a future change? He was complaining about poison in my 0.19 game just now

Should be in trunk, though if you're playing 0.19 specifically it won't be in. That said, the change to make him stop red-highlighting poison effects only went in more recently, so maybe that hasn't gotten everywhere yet.

# ? Nov 27, 2016 01:00

tote up a bags: Jun 8, 2006; die stoats die

I'm an XL11 Gargoyle fighter with 14 in M&F, and Oka just gifted me this:

B - the +9 executioner's axe "Utuag" {antimagic, rF+ Str+4 Int+4}

Do I train up Axes? My guess is no since by the time I have them high enough to use this I'll have found something else?

edit: second question: Orange plate on a Gargoyle is pretty sweet, right?

tote up a bags fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Nov 27, 2016

# ? Nov 27, 2016 02:05

Luceid: Jan 20, 2005; Buy some freaking medicine.

tote up a bags posted:

I'm an XL11 Gargoyle fighter with 14 in M&F, and Oka just gifted me this:

B - the +9 executioner's axe "Utuag" {antimagic, rF+ Str+4 Int+4}

Do I train up Axes? My guess is no since by the time I have them high enough to use this I'll have found something else?

edit: second question: Orange plate on a Gargoyle is pretty sweet, right?

i'd start training up axes as long as you have something good you can wield in the meantime. a little later on, i'd even step into pan for the exp to do it, too, but i love abusing pan for grinding if i need to make a switch like that

# ? Nov 27, 2016 02:45

Fhqwhgads: Jul 18, 2003; I AM THE ONLY ONE IN THIS GAME WHO GETS LAID

According to my stat sheet, I've played this game 1,478 times, with only 15 wins going back to my first in version 0.10.0 back in (holy poo poo) 2012. Only got 14 runes because my GrFi^Ru was too scared of Tomb and at that point I wanted to just clock a win. I'm pretty terrible at this game but I keep coming back to it again and again :v:

# ? Nov 27, 2016 04:36

tote up a bags: Jun 8, 2006; die stoats die

My first ever 15 runer! :siren:

I started playing around like, 0.5 or maybe 0.6. Today is the end of an era thank GOD.
Sucks it happened after the tourney but eh.

Anyway I went to single digit HP like, 15 times. I'm still a bad player, but now I'm a bad player :siren:

who thinks he's good :siren:

!!!

# ? Nov 27, 2016 10:32

girl dick energy: Sep 30, 2009; You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

tote up a bags posted:

My first ever 15 runer!

I started playing around like, 0.5 or maybe 0.6. Today is the end of an era thank GOD.
Sucks it happened after the tourney but eh.

Anyway I went to single digit HP like, 15 times. I'm still a bad player, but now I'm a bad player who thinks he's good !!!

Still better than a lot of us have done.

# ? Nov 27, 2016 10:38

World Famous W: May 25, 2007; BAAAAAAAAAAAA

Pro tip: there are no good players. Just those that think they're good and robots who are trying to fool us.

# ? Nov 27, 2016 10:41

Darox: Nov 10, 2012

D 10 - xxxbow of freezing
Lair 6 - manual of crossbows
D 13 - artifact xxxbow of electricity

Okay fine crawl I get the message I'll train crossbow skill, geez.

Related pro tip: Basically every character should pick up the first crossbow they find and just fire it at distant enemies as they walk to you. The potential damage with any xbow is amazing compared to stones and sometimes you'll just kill enemies outright. You don't need to invest any skill, the huge recovery time doesn't matter when they waste it walking towards you.

# ? Nov 27, 2016 12:29

Elusif: Jun 9, 2008

Zin just keeps on saving my rear end.

# ? Nov 27, 2016 14:01

Carcer: Aug 7, 2010

First time I've gotten 14 runes, up from my previous best of 5. I've only got gehenna left and then I'll finally be able to say I've "fully" beaten this game.

In hindsight I really should have left tomb for last, its so incredibly deadly and I was so incredibly stupid for not taking potions of lignification with me or buying shops out of scrolls of fog and silence. But I did it, and now I never have to go back there again.

# ? Nov 27, 2016 16:26

Elusif: Jun 9, 2008

I tabbed too hard and the vaults got me.

# ? Nov 27, 2016 16:32

tote up a bags: Jun 8, 2006; die stoats die

Carcer posted:

First time I've gotten 14 runes, up from my previous best of 5. I've only got gehenna left and then I'll finally be able to say I've "fully" beaten this game.

In hindsight I really should have left tomb for last, its so incredibly deadly and I was so incredibly stupid for not taking potions of lignification with me or buying shops out of scrolls of fog and silence. But I did it, and now I never have to go back there again.

Having juuust finished my first 15 runer... what's the benefit of treeform in Tomb?

# ? Nov 27, 2016 16:40

Floodkiller: May 31, 2011

tote up a bags posted:

Having juuust finished my first 15 runer... what's the benefit of treeform in Tomb?

It's a way to become immune to negative energy and torment on demand, at the cost of losing stairdancing. If you are a spellcaster or Makhleb or TSO worshippers it's pretty good at speeding things up, but you have to be drat well sure you can actually survive until the potion wears off.

# ? Nov 27, 2016 16:45

Fhqwhgads: Jul 18, 2003; I AM THE ONLY ONE IN THIS GAME WHO GETS LAID

Floodkiller posted:

It's a way to become immune to negative energy and torment on demand, at the cost of losing stairdancing. If you are a spellcaster or Makhleb or TSO worshippers it's pretty good at speeding things up, but you have to be drat well sure you can actually survive until the potion wears off.

So treeform, Ru Apocalypse (God I love that ability), eat all the death curses/torments, run upstairs to regroup when treeform runs out, repeat?

# ? Nov 27, 2016 17:01

someone awful.: Sep 7, 2007

E Equals MC Hammer posted:

I tabbed too hard and the vaults got me.

No Sanctuary?

# ? Nov 27, 2016 18:04

Reformed Pessimist: Apr 18, 2007

It's been a long time since I played. Is there a reason a MiFi of Oka could not cast any spells whatsoever? Am I right in thinking Oka doesn't prevent spellcasting? I found some good spellbooks and was looking to use them but no matter what magic skills I train I still have a 100% failure rate. The only other thing I could figure is I do have an MR+ armor on, would that matter?

# ? Nov 27, 2016 18:04

Carcer: Aug 7, 2010

Yeah, its to stop the death curses (and torment) from slaughtering you if you get caught somewhere you can't retreat. Since I'm playing a formicid I can stand toe to toe with literally anything but getting hit with death curses/torment when I couldn't get into a murder hole or stairdance made up all my near death experiences.

# ? Nov 27, 2016 18:05

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# ? May 13, 2024 23:21

someone awful.: Sep 7, 2007

Reformed Pessimist posted:

It's been a long time since I played. Is there a reason a MiFi of Oka could not cast any spells whatsoever? Am I right in thinking Oka doesn't prevent spellcasting? I found some good spellbooks and was looking to use them but no matter what magic skills I train I still have a 100% failure rate. The only other thing I could figure is I do have an MR+ armor on, would that matter?

Oka is and has always been perfectly fine with spellcasting. The problem is low int combined with very heavy armor, which gives a massive penalty to spell success.

MR+ is magic resistance and affects enemy spells being able to affect you, not your own spellcasting. The only equip that will actually fully stop you from casting is the -Cast malus.

Trog doesn't let you use spells at all and gets super mad if you do, which you might have confused Oka with.

# ? Nov 27, 2016 18:13

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