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Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
1st blackstronaut

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ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


:dukedog:
Offensive Clock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_-cBLQlB-A

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer

Frijolero posted:

We just lost a great man.



Kit Harrington died?

Feral Integral
Jun 6, 2006

YOSPOS

Helen Highwater posted:

Kit Harrington died?



If you think that's weird, the US Capitol has a museum dedicated to the holocaust!

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Feral Integral posted:

If you think that's weird, the US Capitol has a museum dedicated to the holocaust!



Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
What's 'Corporate Buddhism'?

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011


wow, i can already feel the plight of the jewish people


handy chart to see who you were allowed to marry in nazi germany and whether you were performing miscegenation

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Guavanaut posted:

What's 'Corporate Buddhism'?





The gentrification of the dharma for the benefit of the upper-management class.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Guavanaut posted:

What's 'Corporate Buddhism'?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GgHaFvmY3s

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
Real talk: was Castro good or bad? I'm a milennial idiot who had no historical education and gets his news from internet articles and documentaries. I've never really gotten to the bottom of this. I got the impression that he believed in some truly positive things and revolted in the name of them, but that he fell into a lot of the habits that 'evil' dictators have. (Why there was no freedom of the press under him or Chavez is very confusing to me.)

If there's any good in-depth documentaries or articles discussing the (relatively) unbiased good and bad, I would be super interested.


(this is apparently him holding the brother of Canadian PM Justin Trudeau. Their father, Pierre Eliot Trudeau was also a PM and a friend of Fidel Castro following Canada's recognition of the Cuban government and a visit to Cuba in 1976. Castro was also apparently a pallbearer at Pierre Trudeau's funeral.)

Fansy
Feb 26, 2013

I GAVE LOWTAX COOKIE MONEY TO CHANGE YOUR STUPID AVATAR GO FUCK YOURSELF DUDE
Grimey Drawer

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

VagueRant posted:

Real talk: was Castro good or bad? I'm a milennial idiot who had no historical education and gets his news from internet articles and documentaries. I've never really gotten to the bottom of this. I got the impression that he believed in some truly positive things and revolted in the name of them, but that he fell into a lot of the habits that 'evil' dictators have. (Why there was no freedom of the press under him or Chavez is very confusing to me.)

If there's any good in-depth documentaries or articles discussing the (relatively) unbiased good and bad, I would be super interested.


(this is apparently him holding the brother of Canadian PM Justin Trudeau. Their father, Pierre Eliot Trudeau was also a PM and a friend of Fidel Castro following Canada's recognition of the Cuban government and a visit to Cuba in 1976. Castro was also apparently a pallbearer at Pierre Trudeau's funeral.)



Like any other major historical figure Castro can't be boiled down to being merely good or bad. He brought down a US-backed dictator that farmed out Cuba as a mafia-run tourist trap. He sent revolutionary shockwaves through the third world and weathered decades of assassination attempts and blockades by successive US governments. He brought widespread literacy and nationwide access to quality healthcare to Cuba. At the same time he ruthlessly repressed dissent and centralised the power of the state, exiled thousands of Cubans, persecuted homosexuals and cemented an unaccountable bureaucracy that will likely continue to rule the country for the next few decades at least.

With such a sharply polarised legacy I don't know if there's a single source you can go to that could be considered unbiased.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



TomViolence posted:



Like any other major historical figure Castro can't be boiled down to being merely good or bad. He brought down a US-backed dictator that farmed out Cuba as a mafia-run tourist trap. He sent revolutionary shockwaves through the third world and weathered decades of assassination attempts and blockades by successive US governments. He brought widespread literacy and nationwide access to quality healthcare to Cuba. At the same time he ruthlessly repressed dissent and centralised the power of the state, exiled thousands of Cubans, persecuted homosexuals and cemented an unaccountable bureaucracy that will likely continue to rule the country for the next few decades at least.

With such a sharply polarised legacy I don't know if there's a single source you can go to that could be considered unbiased.

Nope, thats good. My dude barry o has killed some brown kids in far off lands, on the other hand he didn't execute political rivals. The answer: its super loving convoluted.



e: oh yea, I noticed that untold history of the united states is on netflix now.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



VagueRant posted:

Real talk: was Castro good or bad? I'm a milennial idiot who had no historical education and gets his news from internet articles and documentaries. I've never really gotten to the bottom of this. I got the impression that he believed in some truly positive things and revolted in the name of them, but that he fell into a lot of the habits that 'evil' dictators have. (Why there was no freedom of the press under him or Chavez is very confusing to me.)

I can't believe a communist dictator would disallow freedom of the press.

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
WHY CHOOSE

Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Nov 28, 2016

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

VagueRant posted:

Real talk: was Castro good or bad? I'm a milennial idiot who had no historical education and gets his news from internet articles and documentaries. I've never really gotten to the bottom of this. I got the impression that he believed in some truly positive things and revolted in the name of them, but that he fell into a lot of the habits that 'evil' dictators have. (Why there was no freedom of the press under him or Chavez is very confusing to me.)

If there's any good in-depth documentaries or articles discussing the (relatively) unbiased good and bad, I would be super interested.


(this is apparently him holding the brother of Canadian PM Justin Trudeau. Their father, Pierre Eliot Trudeau was also a PM and a friend of Fidel Castro following Canada's recognition of the Cuban government and a visit to Cuba in 1976. Castro was also apparently a pallbearer at Pierre Trudeau's funeral.)

Freedom of the press you say Comrade?

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:



i'm the 'animal collective' cleverly snuck in to level five

PIZZA.BAT fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Nov 28, 2016

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


:dukedog:
Offensive Clock

Thanks for the garbage photoshop



Decorate your Christmas three with dumpster fire ornaments because it's 2016

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

VagueRant posted:

Real talk: was Castro good or bad? I'm a milennial idiot who had no historical education and gets his news from internet articles and documentaries. I've never really gotten to the bottom of this. I got the impression that he believed in some truly positive things and revolted in the name of them, but that he fell into a lot of the habits that 'evil' dictators have. (Why there was no freedom of the press under him or Chavez is very confusing to me.)

If there's any good in-depth documentaries or articles discussing the (relatively) unbiased good and bad, I would be super interested.


(this is apparently him holding the brother of Canadian PM Justin Trudeau. Their father, Pierre Eliot Trudeau was also a PM and a friend of Fidel Castro following Canada's recognition of the Cuban government and a visit to Cuba in 1976. Castro was also apparently a pallbearer at Pierre Trudeau's funeral.)


TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Please tell me this one has legs. :getin:

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

MageMage
Feb 11, 2007

I SUCK AND LOVE TO YELL PERFORMATIVE HOT TAKES AND NONSENSE LIES WHEN I GET WORKED UP. SOMETIMES AUTOBANNED IS BETTER. MAYBE ONE DAY WHEN I STORM OFF I'LL ACTUALLY STOP SHITTING UP THE SITE FOR REAL


http://www.upworthy.com/my-wife-surprised-her-coworkers-when-she-came-out-as-trans-then-they-surprised-her?c=ufb3

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde


(reference)

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009


Is that Zack Braff?

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT5KrRGfJBI

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

TomViolence posted:



Like any other major historical figure Castro can't be boiled down to being merely good or bad. He brought down a US-backed dictator that farmed out Cuba as a mafia-run tourist trap. He sent revolutionary shockwaves through the third world and weathered decades of assassination attempts and blockades by successive US governments. He brought widespread literacy and nationwide access to quality healthcare to Cuba. At the same time he ruthlessly repressed dissent and centralised the power of the state, exiled thousands of Cubans, persecuted homosexuals and cemented an unaccountable bureaucracy that will likely continue to rule the country for the next few decades at least.

With such a sharply polarised legacy I don't know if there's a single source you can go to that could be considered unbiased.

While this is a good snapshot, some of those criticisms deserve more detail.

Castro gets a bad rap for "brutally cracking down" on opposition. Yes, hundreds of counterrevolutionaries were arrested and many sentenced to death This was mainly during the actual revolution from 1959-1961. The Cuban Revolution and the July 26th Movement was a popular uprising and a violent overthrow of an authoritarian regime. Castro cannot solely be blamed for the killing and repression of Batista's backers and henchmen (many of them violent criminals who ultimately belonged in jail). Liberals, trade unionists, socialists, anarchists, and peasants participated in the revolution and supported the arrest and execution of anywhere from 300-2,000 fighters. (There is only concrete evidence of ~300 executions, Western scholars and pundits claim that they number in the thousands).

Treatment of homosexuals: What's often talked about are the "labor camps" of the UMAPs. Some homosexuals, along with conscientious objectors to the Revolution, were sent to agricultural camps as a form of alternative civil service. After 3 years, Castro realized the camps were a mistake and shut them down. By the late 1970s, Castro and the party realized they were being unjust towards gays. Throughout the 80s and 90s gay Cubans began to be treated equally by the state.

Cuban exiles: Castro never expelled people en masse. On the contrary, he made it hard for people to leave the island. Rather, thousands of Cubans, in several waves throughout the decades, decided to flee the country on their own volition. Some of them were aided by the Catholic Church. We can't solely blame Castro for people wanting to flee from the revolution. Furthermore, the vast majority of Cuban exiles were economic migrants rather than political refugees.


I am completely aware that some of this sounds like I'm trying to mask the illiberalism and repression of Castro's rule. I am not.
It is difficult to defend someone like Castro against decades of American interpretations of him. But he should always be viewed as a suis generis political leader of Cuba. Without context, it's easy to see why Americans see him as a brutal dictator. But then we lose understanding of why millions of people around the world consider him a hero. He is both a hero and a villain, both revolutionary and conventional, both a product of his times and completely avant garde, both a traditional Hispanic strongman caudillo and a radically new progressive leader.

Frijolero fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Nov 29, 2016

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
in conclusion, fidel castro is a land of contrasts






bij
Feb 24, 2007

After all the info that came out decades after the Cuban Missile Crisis, it seems like Castro was a True Believer™, at least at the time.

I don't know whether that is good or bad but it seems better than being an empty cynic.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal


pools closed due to aids

Wrestlepig fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Nov 29, 2016

Mordekai
Sep 6, 2006

Salt in the wound eases the soul.

MageMage
Feb 11, 2007

I SUCK AND LOVE TO YELL PERFORMATIVE HOT TAKES AND NONSENSE LIES WHEN I GET WORKED UP. SOMETIMES AUTOBANNED IS BETTER. MAYBE ONE DAY WHEN I STORM OFF I'LL ACTUALLY STOP SHITTING UP THE SITE FOR REAL

Wistful of Dollars posted:

Is that Zack Braff?



No.

Rugoberta Munchu
Jun 5, 2003

Do you want a hupyrolysege slcorpselong?
Just your average tale of Syrian refugees living in a Wild West theme park in Sweden.

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




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Bohemian Nights
Jul 14, 2006

When I wake up,
I look into the mirror
I can see a clearer, vision
I should start living today
Clapping Larry
10 minute docu on High Chapperal, literal swedish westworld doubling as a Syrian refugee camp during the off season

https://vimeo.com/158882001

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Rugoberta Munchu
Jun 5, 2003

Do you want a hupyrolysege slcorpselong?
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