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NewForumSoftware posted:Honestly this is the world I've been expecting for a while now, Federal govt fades into obscurity leaving states to handle Healthcare, civil rights, labor laws, etc as they see fit. Good luck southerners. Everyone move here to MA. We're going to vote out our dumb Republican governor soon enough, otherwise we're pretty well set!
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Everyone move here to MA. We're going to vote out our dumb Republican governor soon enough, otherwise we're pretty well set! there are actually a lot of states that have stepped up and attempted to move on things like Healthcare due to the Federal Government's failing. Vermont and Colorado are two that come to mind and if the GOP actually gets away with attacking Medicare I only see those programs gaining support now the real wildcard is whether or not the Federal governemnt will start taking action about the states doing stuff like legalizing marijuana but I just have a hard time seeing that happen. too much money and public support to stop it now
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NewForumSoftware posted:Honestly this is the world I've been expecting for a while now, Federal govt fades into obscurity leaving states to handle Healthcare, civil rights, labor laws, etc as they see fit. Good luck southerners.
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Nov 27, 2016 23:19
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Is there actually a good list of famously thin skinned Presidents other than John Adams and Thomas Jefferson? Truman threatened to punch a reporter in the face for giving a poor review of his daughter's piano recital.
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Nov 27, 2016 23:20
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HannibalBarca posted:Truman threatened to punch a reporter in the face for giving a poor review of his daughter's piano recital. Yeah Trump is hardly the first President who is an unstable weirdo, the larger concern for me is that he has no experience governing whatsoever.
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Nov 27, 2016 23:22
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HannibalBarca posted:Truman threatened to punch a reporter in the face for giving a poor review of his daughter's piano recital. Truman had the good sense to finally shitcan MacArthur so I'm gonna let this slide.
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Nov 27, 2016 23:23
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Fojar38 posted:Yeah Trump is hardly the first President who is an unstable weirdo, the larger concern for me is that he has no experience governing whatsoever. Good news, there's a pretty pervasive belief that the government should be run like a business and they will use Donald Trump's business experience as support for the fact that he can run the government. And let's be honest, it's not like politicians are held accountable for their failures either, it's really quite similar
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Nov 27, 2016 23:24
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spunkshui posted:Id love for you to prove this narrative. Your entire post history proves it.
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Nov 27, 2016 23:25
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Truman had the good sense to finally shitcan MacArthur so I'm gonna let this slide. I'm not saying Truman was bad, just saying that he threatened to punch a reporter in the face for giving a poor review of his daughter's piano recital.
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I dunno that at least makes sense
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HannibalBarca posted:I'm not saying Truman was bad, just saying that he threatened to punch a reporter in the face for giving a poor review of his daughter's piano recital. Who the gently caress gives a kids piano recital a poor review?
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Nov 27, 2016 23:31
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Guy Goodbody posted:Who the gently caress gives a kids piano recital a poor review? Some guy named Paul Hume, apparently. Also, I was wrong, it was a singing recital. Also to be fair, Truman's daughter was 26 at the time.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Who the gently caress gives a kids piano recital a poor review?  also trump.jpg? 
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Nov 27, 2016 23:35
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HannibalBarca posted:I wonder if Kennedy and Roberts would have voted differently if they could have seen three and a half years into the future. roberts had been after the vra since the 80s, he got what he hoped for
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Nov 27, 2016 23:41
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Did the basic functions of government change overnight? I mean if that's the case why not just assume that the literal Enabling/Fire Decree/Kill All Minorities Were They Stand Act is going to happen? Hell the Republicans don't even have to wait for Trump to take office, they'll do all this tomorrow! No, but the balance of power is so over-whelmingly in the Republican's favor for the next two years they can implement these laws. Add in to that their own platform states they want to implement these laws and that's where you get these fever dreams.
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:roberts had been after the vra since the 80s, he got what he hoped for Kennedy might want a do-over though
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Old James posted:No, but the balance of power is so over-whelmingly in the Republican's favor for the next two years they can implement these laws. Add in to that their own platform states they want to implement these laws and that's where you get these fever dreams. Power is a relative term when talking about the US government
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Nov 27, 2016 23:44
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Everyday I start the final stage of acceptance and everyday I go straight back to denial.
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Nov 27, 2016 23:58
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Paradoxish posted:Voter ID laws have been upheld by federal judges in the past. Several times this year, in fact. I have no idea why you think it's so far outside the realm of possibility that Republicans will continue to pass these laws (at least at a state level) and that they will continue to be upheld. Just because voter ID laws have been struck down in the past doesn't mean that this is somehow a fight that's already been won. "gutted" holy hyperbole batman
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Keith Ellison, noted for hating dentity politics and racism had a nice interview recently with "Keepin it 1600" here is some text from the interview, about why racists crackers vote for a black Muslim. https://theringer.com/keepin-it-1600-keith-ellison-dnc-8dd365bd5739#.ca8gsbhph posted:On the latest episode of Keepin’ It 1600, Jon Favreau, Tommy Vietor, and Jon Lovett spoke with Representative Keith Ellison. Currently representing the fifth district of Minnesota, Ellison is a candidate to become the next DNC chairman. He is black and Muslim. In the two weeks since he entered this race, many have questioned whether his race and religious background could hurt his candidacy. Ellison joined the podcast to address these questions directly and explain why he can steer the Democrats during Donald Trump’s presidency.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Did the basic functions of government change overnight? I mean if that's the case why not just assume that the literal Enabling/Fire Decree/Kill All Minorities Were They Stand Act is going to happen? Hell the Republicans don't even have to wait for Trump to take office, they'll do all this tomorrow! And yet here we are with voter ID laws, reduced polling places, gerrymandered districts, etc, etc, etc. in multiple states. Yes, maybe someday these laws will be struck down. In the meantime they are affecting elections. They affected this election.
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Nov 28, 2016 00:07
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Lightning Knight posted:This is a strange statement to me. The reason "alternative right" is a dumb phrase and idea is that it's not new or alternative. It's just a polite repackaging of paleoconservative white nationalism and vague isolationism with modern hip phrases like anti-political correctness and a focus on Islam as the boogeyman over black people and Jewish people (while still hating them too). It only makes even the barest sense as "alternative" because neoconservatism and business-oriented neoliberalism have been the order of the day for decades. Wasn't one of signifiers of the "alt-right" being militantly atheist as comparison to traditionally conservative movements that were also Judeo-Christian religious? Fansy posted:1) What problem do voter IDs solve? There was at least one incident where people where getting turned away at the polls because election officials couldn't tell the difference between federal ID and state ID. Can you guess what ethnicity these voters were?
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Nov 28, 2016 00:08
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size1one posted:And yet here we are with voter ID laws, reduced polling places, gerrymandered districts, etc, etc, etc. in multiple states. Yes, maybe someday these laws will be struck down. In the meantime they are affecting elections. They affected this election. You really take issue with someone having to prove they are who they say they are to vote. Seriously?
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Nov 28, 2016 00:09
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cravius posted:"gutted" Removing many of the enforceable clauses is a gutting.
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Bip Roberts posted:Removing many of the enforceable clauses is a gutting. Removing formulas based on 40 year old data is common sense
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Nov 28, 2016 00:14
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cravius posted:You really take issue with someone having to prove they are who they say they are to vote. Seriously? Yeah man we need to solve that huge voter fraud problem that by the way absolutely exists by making it harder for black people to participate in democracy
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cravius posted:Removing formulas based on 40 year old data is common sense Well the states that no longer have automatic checks are immediately reverting to Jim Crow style voter suppressions so it seems like it wasn't too bad of a thing.
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cravius posted:Removing formulas based on 40 year old data is common sense No it's loving not, just because you've not gotten wet in a rain storm in 2 weeks doesn't make it common sense to throw your umbrella away
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cravius posted:"gutted" The decision made Section 5 effectively meaningless, which in turn led to the passage of a number of laws that would have otherwise been subject to preclearance. I don't know what else to call that.
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botany posted:No it's loving not, just because you've not gotten wet in a rain storm in 2 weeks doesn't make it common sense to throw your umbrella away yes, some states were bad 60 years ago so they should be discriminated against forever. seems like sound logic
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Nov 28, 2016 00:20
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cravius posted:You really take issue with someone having to prove they are who they say they are to vote. Seriously? Many people wouldn't have a problem with a national ID (except born agains who think IDs are the sign of the devil), but the problem is that state voter ID requirements disproportionately gently caress over the elderly, POC, and college students. Requiring somebody to go to a specific DMV that is only open on the first full moon of odd numbered years when the stars are in alignment with Jupiter is something that is meant to drive Democratic votership down (and has, as indicated by Wisconsin flipping) Properly managed and universal national IDs would go a long way to fixing some of the state fuckery but it'll basically never happen thanks to Republicans.
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cravius posted:yes, some states were bad 60 years ago so they should be discriminated against forever. seems like sound logic On the other hand, don't fix what ain't broke
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Guy Goodbody posted:On the other hand, don't fix what ain't broke uhhh, its broke, thats why the supreme court got rid of the archaic language
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I suggest this plan: 1) Make getting a ID easy and cheap (maybe create a federal ID that is easy to adquire). 2) Make so you need this ID to vote Like many USA problems, they have a really easy solution, but it require one simple change and people is very good at stopping change
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Nov 28, 2016 00:25
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cravius posted:You really take issue with someone having to prove they are who they say they are to vote. Seriously? *having to prove who they are provided they are not voting absentee, since you don't need that ID to vote absentee. Hmm, which party tends to do better with absentee votes?
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Nov 28, 2016 00:25
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I'm the people unironically arguing that the laws of the land should apply to certain states differently than others
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cravius posted:yes, some states were bad 60 years ago so they should be discriminated against forever. Considering the first move after the VRA was partially struck was North Carolina moving to limit access of African Americans to the right to vote, YES.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Considering the first move after the VRA was partially struck was North Carolina moving to limit access of African Americans to the right to vote, YES. yeah this didnt happen
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So just today: 1. Trump running with a right-wing phony claim of '3 million illegal votes' 2. Trump's chief spokeswoman saying that it's very nice of Trump not to prosecute Hillary during the recounts (apparently she thinks he's already in office somehow?)
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