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The current mindset seems to be "None of the fires are close to Arab population centers. This is proof that they did it!" *ignores Haifa burning to the loving ground*
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Cugel the Clever posted:Not to be callous to either side, but, if the fires are indeed an act of resistance/terrorism, they are an interesting departure from the recent spate of stabbings/rammings. It's always perplexed me that we don't see more such actions with better short-term survivability for the perpetrator (and thus the option to act again). There haven't been deaths from the fires as far as I've read, but they cause much greater disruption than a random attempted stabbing. The stabbings and rammings are usually lone-wolf attacks with the explicit intention of ending in death, often by people who have recently had bad things happen in their life. They're suicide-by-IDF, basically - the low survivability is a feature, not a bug. The fires are probably just accidental or natural fires.
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Svartvit posted:If you're referring to the spelling of "Trump", I installed an app in Chrome a long time ago that changes it into "Drumpf" and now I have no way of knowing myself what it actually says. well theres your problem
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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:The current mindset seems to be I think you'll find that there's plenty of Arabs in Haifa so they could've easily started those fires. QED.
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In a tragic Poe's Law related incident a Anas Aboudaabes from Rahat was arrested for allegedly posting inciting status updates on his facebook wall. Yesterday a story on Ynet stated "The 24 year old, a cousin to a high ranking executive in the Islamic Movement, has been arrested for suspected incitement. 'There are a few groves which haven't burned down yet, we must call upon the disturbed among our youth to do that which needs to be done'". Up till now it may sound semi-reasonable or whatever I don't know depending to the limits you are prepared to set on free speech, but here's where it becomes a doozer, Anas's post is an ad absurdum criticism of what he perceives as schadenfreude prevalent in the arab community, in that post he also calls to "Boycott Turkey because Ergodan sent firefighting planes", "The arabs living in Haifa and in other villages threatened by the fires shouldn't evacuate because surely these fires were sent by Allah and you're perfectly safe." lastly he literally signs the post with "#Satire_not_serious #Arab_nonsense #The_smoke_blinds_both_hearts_and_minds". the post is here: - https://www.facebook.com/anas.daabes/posts/10209997460586570?pnref=story In a post he made several hours earlier he writes - "What levels of ignorance have we descended into?! our country is burning and it turns out there are arabs in the region who praise god for it. It amazes me how the mind can stop working and become such an idiotic thing" - https://www.facebook.com/anas.daabes/posts/10209996280477068?pnref=story So yes, and there are a few more absurdist quotes from this whole thing. quoting from here: http://news.walla.co.il/item/3016833 quote:The Police's representative claimed that you have to ignore the context of the cynical post "I am not familiar with people who see a post and then go read through the person's post history to figure out what his opinions actually are" ... she added that the suspect used "very fancy language" and that this contributed to him being easy to misunderstand "Perhaps some teenager won't understand his intentions and there will be arson in the South Hebron Region". To me this reads like a Catch 22 subplot. The whole thing is so incredibly dumb and racist. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Nov 25, 2016 |
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Nov 25, 2016 21:05
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emanresu tnuocca posted:The whole thing is so incredibly dumb and racist. Welcome to Israel, where the charges are made up and the intent doesn't matter!
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Over thirty people have been arrested by police and security forces for arson of incitement, and at least another dozen have been arrested, questioned, and released. The Jewish Press has coined the term "pyroterror" and is cheerily fanning the flames of fear of these dastardly Arab PyroTerrorists. A settler rabbi has already publicly declared that the fires are "divine retribution" for the plans to evacuate Amona and that rain will not come until the settlement's future is guaranteed.
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Does anyone have any information on the extent of damage to Haifa?
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Millions of people are currently being told that starting a forest fire is now a valid method of terrorist action. Thanks, Israel.
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Main Paineframe posted:Over thirty people have been arrested by police and security forces for arson of incitement, and at least another dozen have been arrested, questioned, and released. The Jewish Press has coined the term "pyroterror" and is cheerily fanning the flames of fear of these dastardly Arab PyroTerrorists. A settler rabbi has already publicly declared that the fires are "divine retribution" for the plans to evacuate Amona and that rain will not come until the settlement's future is guaranteed. Arson of incitement? Did he start some sick fires, bro?
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Lawman 0 posted:Does anyone have any information on the extent of damage to Haifa? Last I heard it was about 1600 people left homeless, 600 damaged buildings and a poo poo ton of forest areas turned to ash. Damages are valued at about 500 million Shekels.
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Ynet reports that the police arrested 37 people for suspected arson, 18 Palestinian-Israelis and the rest Palestinians from the west bank. 5 Arrested for incitement including at least one Jewish-Israeli who called on Facebook to burn Arab cities & villages. Anas Aboudaabes is scheduled to be released 'within the day' - the state attorney office will decide whether to continue making fools of themselves and press charges for incitement.
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Oh and in an unrelated story, the Israeli media is reporting that an ISIS squadron tried to lay ambush to an IDF unit patrolling the Israel-Syria border, the Israeli media reports that the ISIS squadron used machine guns and mortars, the ISIS squadron was then pinned down by the return fire and taken out by the Israeli Air Force. No injuries on the Israeli side, allegedly 4 dead ISIS combatants. This is as far as I know the first time there were direct clashes between ISIS and the IDF. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4884827,00.html
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i can't stop farting!!
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Avshalom posted:i can't stop farting!!  but the world is facing... three or four larger problems these days.
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don't you give me sass my farts are an existential threat
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Avshalom posted:don't you give me sass my farts are an existential threat Unlike Iran
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http://www.un.org/en/events/palestinianday/quote:29 November: It's so strange visiting two different forums on the Internet. Where I got this, the responses were pretty much "gently caress Palestine" and "nope, I stand with Israel." This thread of course is kinda the opposite, which is generally where my beliefs lay as well. It's just kind of dispiriting seeing people literally write off a whole group of people out of spite. "They brought this on themselves. They're the ones who don't want peace." I don't understand it. Is it really all down to propaganda news fed to people in the US and Israel? Yet I remember this article in The Atlantic that said, if anything, the media is biased for Palestine. I just don't know.
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Well Nikkolas let me express regret that Spacebattles dot com confused you. But now you are in safe space. BTW you are at least the third person from SB complaining about SB here. As far as I understand two preceding persons were disgusted by this sub-forum and possibly I/P threads specifically. Lets see how you do.
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Lady Morgaga posted:Well Nikkolas let me express regret that Spacebattles dot com confused you. But now you are in safe space. Let it rip. Wow, I never imagined I'd meet another poster who frequented both forums. I wouldn't mind a safe space sometimes but alas, I try to entertain all views. God knows I'm not an expert on this situation (or most things) so arguing can teach me things. Sometimes, anyway. e: Absurd Alhazred posted:Please don't import outside forums drama here, thanks. Sorry, I'll drop it. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Nov 30, 2016 05:52
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Please don't import outside forums drama here, thanks.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Please don't import outside forums drama here, thanks. No no outside forums drama. I will talk about this sub-forum. NikkolasKing posted:Wow, I never imagined I'd meet another poster who frequented both forums.
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Lady Morgaga posted:No no outside forums drama. I will talk about this sub-forum. I don't think one Internet forum is less credible than another unless you're like Stormfront or something. I like D&D though. The Effective Leftist Organizing thread for instance is a really great resource. Gonna try and help some more next month when I have actual money to do stuff.
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NikkolasKing posted:http://www.un.org/en/events/palestinianday/ Is it really that shocking? Americans aren't exactly known for having sympathy for armed Muslim resistance to imperialist projects in the Middle East.
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NikkolasKing posted:I don't understand it. Is it really all down to propaganda news fed to people in the US and Israel? Yet I remember this article in The Atlantic that said, if anything, the media is biased for Palestine. I just don't know. "Biased" for Palestine usually means reporting on the occupation. Make your own judgements.
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Dunno if anyone is keeping tabs or still cares but at the moment out of hundreds (maybe over a thousand. the sources differ) of wildfires only 9 are still being investigated for possible arson, Moshe Kahlon and the ministry of finance have declared that the citizens of haifa and a few other places are the victims of a terror attack while the police came out with a conflicting statement where they say that as far as they're concerned not a single arson has been proven yet and the investigation is still on going. So, regardless of how many terrorist arsons there were, if any, if would seem like we're talking about less than half of a percent of the total fires and that the majority of them were "natural" or just not intentional for that purpose. Not that Bennet and Bibi are going to be held accountable for their incitement.
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Now what's with the (delayed) title change? That should've happened the moment Trump wanted Huckabee to be his ambassador.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Dunno if anyone is keeping tabs or still cares but at the moment out of hundreds (maybe over a thousand. the sources differ) of wildfires only 9 are still being investigated for possible arson, Moshe Kahlon and the ministry of finance have declared that the citizens of haifa and a few other places are the victims of a terror attack while the police came out with a conflicting statement where they say that as far as they're concerned not a single arson has been proven yet and the investigation is still on going. Also important to add, that if a fire declared a terrorist attack then the people hurt are entitled to compensations from the government, if not then they get what they were insured for. So basically now that they got a rough estimate of the bill suddenly those fires seem a lot more natural.
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Arson updates, so far there are still some 18 people detained for investigation, the only case where charges have been filed is against a resident of Umm al-Fahem who set fire to trash piles next to his own home, according to the suspect he did it because the city council fails to clear the trash from the streets. Yeah. Source (in hebrew): http://www.mako.co.il/news-law/crime-q4_2016/Article-bf0399e35efa851004.htm
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This is a good article about life in the Shuafat camp. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/magazine/we-are-orphans-here.html quote:Adel kept making reference to his 9-year-old daughter, who is physically disabled and cannot attend school. I asked to meet her or Adel asked if I wanted to meet her. Either way we ended up in Adel’s large apartment, and his daughter Mira was wheeled out to the living room. Mira was burned over most of her body and is missing part of one arm and a kneecap. Her face and scalp are disfigured. A school bus filled with children from the Shuafat camp were on a trip to Ramallah when their bus collided with a truck on wet roads. The bus overturned and burst into flames. Five children and a teacher burned to death. Dozens were injured. Emergency services were delayed by confusion over who had jurisdiction. As a result, Mira and other children had to be taken in the cars of bystanders to the closest hospital. The accident took place between the Adam settlement and Qalandiya checkpoints, in what is called Area C of the West Bank, which is entirely under Israeli control. The likelihood of something like this occurring was well known. Later, a report from Ir Amim, an Israeli human rights group, established that the tragedy resulted from the multiple challenges of living beyond the separation barrier. Roads were substandard. There were too many children on the bus, the children had no access to education in their own communities and there was no oversight.
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Dumb(er than usual) post warning: So everyone in Israel is talking about Jenna Jameson's infatuation with Dear Leader and I just can't wait 'till they hear about Avshalom's beautiful love affair with the ghost of Ariel Sharon.
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All the trash in the world is starting to converge into one giant circle of trash (not talking about Avshalom here).
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Svartvit posted:All the trash in the world is starting to converge into one giant circle of trash (not talking about Avshalom here). Grouchio fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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Come, armageddon come.
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Good news for the Israelis: https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/809544038651142144
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Given how he chose the head of various US govt departments such as the EPA, it's kind of surprising he didn't appoint Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as his ambassador to Israel.
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https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/809577135887306753 Meanwhile, The Promised Podcast has informed me of an interesting occurrence in Tel Aviv this past month: an anonymous artist covertly erected a gilded Bibi statue that became the focal point for impassioned debate and, ultimately, inevitably, a toppling of the sort given Lenin after the wall fell. 
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Cat Mattress posted:Given how he chose the head of various US govt departments such as the EPA, it's kind of surprising he didn't appoint Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as his ambassador to Israel. Oh, he'll destroy something, all right. He's a vocal Orthodox national-religious Jew who believes that annexing the West Bank is legal, personally runs pro-settlement organizations, has declared Jews who support a two-state solution to be "not Jewish", claimed that the Oslo Accords were "suicidal" and that Bill Clinton helped the evil leftist Sharon do unrivalled damage to Israeli interests, and has claimed that Obama has been the most hostile president to Israel ever and that Clinton would be worse. In other words, he is terribly unrepresentative of American Jews and very vocal about it, so he has the potential to seriously damage the relationship between Israeli Jews and American Jews and single-handedly end bipartisanship on Israel. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Avshalom was already digging out the voodoo dolls and assembling the death shrine.
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Main Paineframe posted:he has the potential to seriously damage the relationship between Israeli Jews and American Jews and single-handedly end bipartisanship on Israel. Would this really be such a bad thing? It could be the prelude to a sanctions campaign if we're not subject to the thousand-year Trumpenreich beforehand.
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Fiction posted:Would this really be such a bad thing? It could be the prelude to a sanctions campaign if we're not subject to the thousand-year Trumpenreich beforehand. It's an utter disaster for Israel - the next couple years will be great for the Israeli right, but in the long-term it could seriously hurt Israel's support in the US. Israel's relationship with the Diaspora is already rather delicate, since the Haredi parties have disproportionate power in the government and have used it to carve out all sorts of special privileges for themselves while relegating non-Orthodox Jews to second-class status, and Netanyahu's repeated attempts to turn foreign Jews into unpaid envoys for his foreign policy have been causing concern in the Diaspora.
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