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I'm very pro-NATO/West, but I think Turkey and Erdogan can go to hell, and NATO should just take the loss. Turkey is slowly edging or surpassing Russia with respect to atrocities.
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Sinteres posted:Lockheed Martin sure would like to sell them the glorious F-35. They're integral to the project and make part of the plane.
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Nov 28, 2016 01:48
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Thug Lessons posted:They're integral to the project and make part of the plane. Appropriate since the plane itself is a loving turkey, but the center fuselage is also produced by Northrop Grumman.
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Nov 28, 2016 01:57
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Sinteres posted:Lockheed Martin sure would like to sell them the glorious F-35. I'm on board with this. It'll bring money into American coffers and disrupt the Turkish bombing campaign.
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Nov 28, 2016 01:59
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Runaktla posted:I'm very pro-NATO/West, but I think Turkey and Erdogan can go to hell, and NATO should just take the loss. Turkey is slowly edging or surpassing Russia with respect to atrocities. Sinteres posted:Appropriate since the plane itself is a loving turkey, but the center fuselage is also produced by Northrop Grumman.
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Nov 28, 2016 02:03
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Collateral Damage posted:Does the rules of NATO even allow other members to kick a member state out? The rules of NATO don't allow them to attack any state without UN authorization, a rule they've casually disregarded since the day it was signed, so no but it doesn't matter at all.
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Nov 28, 2016 02:07
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Runaktla posted:I'm very pro-NATO/West, but I think Turkey and Erdogan can go to hell, and NATO should just take the loss. Turkey is slowly edging or surpassing Russia with respect to atrocities. they surpassed Russia a hundred years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_genocide
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icantfindaname posted:they surpassed Russia a hundred years ago Are we not counting Soviet crimes as Russian?
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icantfindaname posted:they surpassed Russia a hundred years ago If we're going to play the murder olympics I have bad news about Russia during the 20's to 40's even if ever person killed during the Holodomor was just a mishap of misplacing the groceries.
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Nov 28, 2016 02:53
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icantfindaname posted:they surpassed Russia a hundred years ago Why don't we kick Germany out too? Also Croatia. They have a hard time admitting their Jew killing past. Commander that assadists love in Al-Quds was killed today in Aleppo. https://twitter.com/MIG29_/status/802905138688102400
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Sinteres posted:Are we not counting Soviet crimes as Russian? Bip Roberts posted:If we're going to play the murder olympics I have bad news about Russia during the 20's to 40's even if ever person killed during the Holodomor was just a mishap of misplacing the groceries. The Holodomor and collectivization deaths aren't universally regarded as a genocide/directed at the Ukrainian ethnicity, though it was still obviously bad. More directly comparable are the various minor genocides and ethnic cleansings of Turkic peoples like the Crimean Tatars, Chechens and Circassians, but those weren't on the same scale as the Young Turk genocide. Bottom line is Turkey is in fact in the same league as Russia for historical atrocities, regardless of nitpicking as to who exactly was worse. If you're just waking up to the contradictions of the US being allied to such a power you've missed a whole lot
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Nov 28, 2016 03:40
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rear end struggle posted:Why don't we kick Germany out too? Well, the German government doesn't spend millions of dollars a year funding genocide denial and apologia, and isn't actively sponsoring racist lynch mobs and waging a genocide-flavored war against domestic minorities at home
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Nov 28, 2016 03:42
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we should kick out america they EAT turkey on their genocide day
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icantfindaname posted:The Holodomor and collectivization deaths aren't universally regarded as a genocide/directed at the Ukrainian ethnicity, though it was still obviously bad. More directly comparable are the various minor genocides and ethnic cleansings of Turkic peoples like the Crimean Tatars, Chechens and Circassians, but those weren't on the same scale as the Young Turk genocide. Yeah, I'm saying even if you're going full tankie and declaring the Holodomor a-okay Russia murdered upward of seven million people through the Gulag system and mass killing of political dissidents.
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Bip Roberts posted:Yeah, I'm saying even if you're going full tankie and declaring the Holodomor a-okay Russia murdered upward of seven million people through the Gulag system and mass killing of political dissidents. Yeah, and the guy in the original post was saying how shocked he was that Turkey would stoop to Russian levels of humanitarian atrocities
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Nov 28, 2016 03:48
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icantfindaname posted:Well, the German government doesn't spend millions of dollars a year funding genocide denial and apologia, and isn't actively sponsoring racist lynch mobs and waging a genocide-flavored war against domestic minorities at home Yeah Germany's pretty much the best case scenario of a country that feels guilty and tries to atone for its crimes, even after the boot was removed from its neck. There's a reason Merkel opened the doors to refugees when it wasn't a popular thing to do, though ironically that humanitarian gesture may have killed the liberal project in Europe.
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Nov 28, 2016 03:49
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Thug Lessons posted:They're integral to the project and make part of the plane. 
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Nov 28, 2016 03:58
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Sinteres posted:Yeah Germany's pretty much the best case scenario of a country that feels guilty and tries to atone for its crimes, even after the boot was removed from its neck. There's a reason Merkel opened the doors to refugees when it wasn't a popular thing to do, though ironically that humanitarian gesture may have killed the liberal project in Europe. Can Germans stop making GBS threads on themselves now? I would love to see the day they can reasonably look back on their history and review their lovely videogame rating system. Merkel's move was obviously a major reason why Brexit happened, though people were already getting their news from the wrong sources anyway, but it's not like Merkel was not to blame. Now Turkey is in a position to to threaten her with the refugee problem.
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uncleKitchener posted:Can Germans stop making GBS threads on themselves now? I would love to see the day they can reasonably look back on their history and review their lovely videogame rating system. Wait what did video games do?
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uncleKitchener posted:Can Germans stop making GBS threads on themselves now? You won't like the results
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I thought Germans were into that sort of them?
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Bip Roberts posted:Wait what did video games do? If they could stop banning and censoring videogames, it would make them actually look normal. Pretty sure there are still games out there from the 90s that are still banned in Germany, knowing their rating system. Sergg posted:You won't like the results I'm sure they'll be a jolly and nice bunch of fellows.
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Friendly Humour posted:Because it's poo poo and confusing and only contains a chaotic list of clashes and nothing about why they happened, or why they lead to open war instead of being resolved, or about how the leadership of the verious parties reacted, or who ordered them, or anything that might allow me to understand what the bloody hell happened.. It's kind of tiring reviewing basic issues that have been rehashed dozens of times in this thread and on which there are numerous statements by all the major parties available in many articles, documentaries, and news reports, but here it goes. The YPG has never assisted the FSA or any other manifestation of the opposition in the project of overthrowing the Assad government. Nothing "happened" really, they've just always pursued different goals and when those goals conflict they fight. Things are just worse now because the opposition is more desperate. The root of the problem is that the YPG wants Kurdish autonomy, and at least early in the war, the rebels weren't willing to grant that concession. Maybe official stances have changed but by now enmity is deeply set and policy already implemented. For details on how things stood in 2012 you can review this report. http://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Backgrounder_SyrianKurds.pdf quote:The PYD has been explicitly hostile towards the SNC from its inception, and its rise to dominance in Syria’s Kurdish areas in the summer of 2012 elevated that conflict to the fore. When the PYD assumed control of Kurdish territories, Sieda denounced the PYD as having “their own agenda which does not serve the Syrian national issue.”14 Syrian Muslim Brotherhood leader Riad al-Shaqfa was more blunt, stating in September, “We clearly oppose the ambitions of establishing a Kurdish entity in Syria.”15 The YPG avoided entering Arab majority regions until ISIS became a serious threat and Coalition air support made it much easier. Their multiethnic confederalism was a tactical necessity rather than the culmination of any wider aims to free the Arabs from centralized despotism. Frankly they had good reason to be mistrustful, the claims of national unity made by the opposition sounded disturbingly similar to those of mid-20th century Arab-nationalists whose policies were often cruel and hostile towards sectarian minorities.
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Breakingnews.com reports that northern part of rebel held Aleppo fell to govt. forces.
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Thug Lessons posted:They're integral to the project and make part of the plane. Everyone in Europe who uses an F-35 will have to send them to Turkey for engine maintenance. http://aviationweek.com/defense/italy-turkey-selected-f-35-mro-work-europe Darkman Fanpage posted:I thought Germans were into that sort of them? Definitely so
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The notion that the PYD is repressive while the KDP is not is loving hilarious. Barzani runs a tight camp, he just has a conciliatory attitude towards Turkey because he's a massive corrupt sellout.
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Seems Assad split and cut off the rebel sections of aleppo of from each other. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38128370
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Nov 28, 2016 12:14
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Cat Mattress posted:Everyone in Europe who uses an F-35 will have to send them to Turkey for engine maintenance. 
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Don't know how true this is but it makes sense for the rebels to flee to the south when they were at risk of getting cut off. Reports are that SAA has taken the entirety of northern Aleppo now. https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/803187661787820036
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Collateral Damage posted:It's still not too late to buy Gripen instead.
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Nov 28, 2016 13:09
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Gripen, named after its competitor.
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Saudi Arabia wanted to get observer status in the Francophonie, their demand was rejected, or rather the decision to grant or deny it was postponed to 2018. (South Korea's demand was accepted, however. I'm not sure they had a better claim of historic and cultural ties to the French language, but they were less controversial for some reason. Also got in Ontario, Argentina, and New Caledonia, all of which makes a lot more sense IMO.)
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Nov 28, 2016 14:45
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Cat Mattress posted:Everyone in Europe who uses an F-35 will have to send them to Turkey for engine maintenance. The F-35 is a thing of beauty. 
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Some FSA groups are saving themselves by retreating to Sheikh Maqsud.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:The F-35 is a thing of beauty. Lockheed Martin contractor account spotted
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Cat Mattress posted:Saudi Arabia wanted to get observer status in the Francophonie, their demand was rejected, or rather the decision to grant or deny it was postponed to 2018. Honestly, neither of these make sense, but I guess the French liked the logical nature of the Korean language. Sure as hell easier to understand that Arabic.
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Glad the Republic of Ontario is getting recognition
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MikeCrotch posted:Lockheed Martin contractor account spotted Darkman Fanpage Checks out
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Sarcasm is hard on the internet.
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