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Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

HE WANTS THIS AND SO SHOULD YOU!
No, but that's what makes this so great. It's an incredible chemtrail-spewing fountain of everything that's great about conspiracy theorists running at a million miles an hour. If anyone ever calls Millenials lazy again, I'm just going to point them at this mess, as they've created ten times more Conspiracy Lore in the last week than previous generations could manage in fifty years. There's more going on besides the Pizza stuff too. Would you believe Obama is using his last days to build a Super-Guantánamo in Antarctica to imprison Julian Assange? Dude's getting the Magneto treatment even though he couldn't escape an Embassy with a poo poo ton of ground floor windows. His recent interviews are either CGI, or he's blinking a code in them so all the Woke Folks can rescue him from the Crystal Castle in a daring midnight raid. Or something. Oh what a world.

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Wait pizza = kiddy porn is a new thing? I thought it was an old chan euphemism? Like, years and years old?

Modrasone posted:

Obama is using his last days to build a Super-Guantánamo in Antarctica to imprison Julian Assange?

Isn't that the plot of Deus Ex?

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

OwlFancier posted:

Wait pizza = kiddy porn is a new thing? I thought it was an old chan euphemism? Like, years and years old?

It's the assumption that people in Clinton's administration use the same euphemism as the chans that's new.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Irom posted:

I'm not saying I necessarily buy any of it but your "summary" is straight garbage dude

Then how about you try and actually correct the record instead of posting "no your wrong" like a dumbfuck?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

xthetenth posted:

It's the assumption that people in Clinton's administration use the same euphemism as the chans that's new.

Uh.

Why?

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Because for the average basement dweller who hasn't seen the sun or irl people besides his mom for the last five years, it's obvious that everyone communicates in forums speak.

Blackula Vs. Tarantula
Jul 6, 2005

😤I am NOT Captain_Redbeard🧔

Irom posted:

I'm not saying I necessarily buy any of it but your "summary" is straight garbage dude

Oh do tell

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
Jesus gently caress, I hate this world that stupid chan and reddit poo poo can turn out to have real consequences. The biggest problem is most people still thing "It's just the internet, it doesn't matter" and "it's only a few people", and that just enables this poo poo. It's going to take someone being killed and it not just being seen as some lone nut for people to wake up and realize that poo poo on the internet can have the same effect as tv and newspapers. We're in another era of Yellow Journalism, just online rather in newspapers. The Boxer Rebellion was caused by fake news being believed by people in China which lead to horrible actions by the Chinese and in retaliation by the Colonial powers.

And it really says a lot about people that their first reactions is to threaten murder to people. Thank god most of these are weird nerds living in basements jerking off to Overwatch Porn to actually do anything, but we know that there was at least 2 people that killed people because of poo poo they read online, but again, they were just dismissed as lone nuts, or people fell over themselves to try to explain why the poo poo they were saying was completely different than the poo poo these people believed, but it was clearly the same poo poo.

I saw a thing that explains yea, the Podesta's probably kidnapped, I think Madeline McCann, based on a ton of circumstantial evidence. Those weirdly perfectly accurate police sketches, the fact one of the Podesta's likes an artist who does do some weird paintings, and they were near the location when it happened. I need to see if I can find it.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

twistedmentat posted:

Jesus gently caress, I hate this world that stupid chan and reddit poo poo can turn out to have real consequences. The biggest problem is most people still thing "It's just the internet, it doesn't matter" and "it's only a few people", and that just enables this poo poo. It's going to take someone being killed and it not just being seen as some lone nut for people to wake up and realize that poo poo on the internet can have the same effect as tv and newspapers. We're in another era of Yellow Journalism, just online rather in newspapers. The Boxer Rebellion was caused by fake news being believed by people in China which lead to horrible actions by the Chinese and in retaliation by the Colonial powers.

And it really says a lot about people that their first reactions is to threaten murder to people. Thank god most of these are weird nerds living in basements jerking off to Overwatch Porn to actually do anything, but we know that there was at least 2 people that killed people because of poo poo they read online, but again, they were just dismissed as lone nuts, or people fell over themselves to try to explain why the poo poo they were saying was completely different than the poo poo these people believed, but it was clearly the same poo poo.

I saw a thing that explains yea, the Podesta's probably kidnapped, I think Madeline McCann, based on a ton of circumstantial evidence. Those weirdly perfectly accurate police sketches, the fact one of the Podesta's likes an artist who does do some weird paintings, and they were near the location when it happened. I need to see if I can find it.

hey now, we the goons of the something awful internet kkkomedy forums have been very proactive about warning about the world about the internet (which makes you stupid), by producing several moderately well known forums murderers and pedos, slenderman, and 4chan

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit

blowfish posted:

hey now, we the goons of the something awful internet kkkomedy forums have been very proactive about warning about the world about the internet (which makes you stupid), by producing several moderately well known forums murderers and pedos, slenderman, and 4chan

Lets not forget that time we accidentally created the hacktivist branch of anonymous.

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun
It's almost impossible to tell the exact order of things as an outsider looking in on the churning conspiracy generators, but this is what I've gathered pizzagate is:

  • Wikileaks releases John Podesta's emails.
  • Someone finds the "spirit cooking" email in the leaks -- Marina Abramovich inviting John Podesta's brother to dinner, calling it "spirit cooking" in reference to one of her conceptual art pieces. This is taken to mean that John Podesta snacks on cum on the regular as part of Satanic rituals
  • People start combing the email leaks for other references to food. They find emails with sentences that presumably made sense to the recipient but are baffling to outsiders, like "handkerchief with a pizza-related map" and "doing better at dominoes on cheese". They eventually decide it's actually a simple cipher, where "pizza" and "cheese" mean child sex.
  • They then start looking for links between Podesta and "pizza", and are led to Comet Ping-Pong, owned by James Alefantis (whose name according to Reddit taunts the public because it sounds like "j'aime les enfantes", as if he were some kind of pedo Phoenix Wright villain). This is the birth of "pizzagate" as a distinct belief/movement/Reddit community.
  • Alefantis has a very weird Instagram account. Reddit obligingly combs it and assumes every single picture with a child or something that they can't immediately understand as evidence that children are being abused at his restaurant. They especially flip out at pictures of foundation renovations and plumbing in an unfinished basement, which they take as evidence that there is an underground bunker beneath the restaurant where children are permanently imprisoned.
  • Alefantis is also a popular guy in the DC community with a lot of ties to prominent figures. This means they're all in on it too, obviously. Anyone who can be shown to be a friend of a friend of Alefantis or has ever gone to Comet Ping Pong is implicated in the abuse.

There's also other branches like the supposed Podesta/Madeleine McCain connection (apparently John and his brother were so hard up for children that they flew overseas, hung out outside hotels until they could find an unsupervised kid and then somehow spirited her back to the US) and how Podesta's involvement in the modern art scene proves he's a prodigious pervert because the right likes to take performance art completely literally. It is a cornucopia of conspiratorial thinking.

The Chairman fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Nov 28, 2016

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

The Chairman posted:

It's almost impossible to tell the exact order of things as an outsider looking in on the churning conspiracy generators, but this is what I've gathered pizzagate is:

  • Wikileaks releases John Podesta's emails.
  • Someone finds the "spirit cooking" email in the leaks -- Marina Abramovich inviting John Podesta's brother to dinner, calling it "spirit cooking" in reference to one of her conceptual art pieces. This is taken to mean that John Podesta snacks on cum on the regular as part of Satanic rituals
  • People start combing the email leaks for other references to food. They find emails with sentences that presumably made sense to the recipient but are baffling to outsiders, like "handkerchief with a pizza-related map" and "doing better at dominoes on cheese". They eventually decide it's actually a simple cipher, where "pizza" and "cheese" mean child sex.
  • They then start looking for links between Podesta and "pizza", and are led to Comet Ping-Pong, owned by James Alefantis (whose name according to Reddit taunts the public because it sounds like "j'aime les enfantes", as if he were some kind of pedo Phoenix Wright villain). This is the birth of "pizzagate" as a distinct belief/movement/Reddit community.
  • Alefantis has a very weird Instagram account. Reddit obligingly combs it and assumes every single picture with a child or something that they can't immediately understand as evidence that children are being abused at his restaurant. They especially flip out at pictures of foundation renovations and plumbing in an unfinished basement, which they take as evidence that there is an underground bunker beneath the restaurant where children are permanently imprisoned.
  • Alefantis is also a popular guy in the DC community with a lot of ties to prominent figures. This means they're all in on it too, obviously. Anyone who can be shown to be a friend of a friend of Alefantis or has ever gone to Comet Ping Pong is implicated in the abuse.

There's also other branches like the supposed Podesta/Madeleine McCain connection (apparently John and his brother were so hard up for children that they flew overseas, hung out outside hotels until they could find an unsupervised kid and then somehow spirited her back to the US) and how Podesta's involvement in the modern art scene proves he's a prodigious pervert because the right likes to take performance art completely literally. It is a cornucopia of conspiratorial thinking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KAGwNtI26w

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Prester Jane posted:

Lets not forget that time we accidentally created the hacktivist branch of anonymous.

While it's generally included in 4chan, when was that?

The Chairman posted:

It's almost impossible to tell the exact order of things as an outsider looking in on the churning conspiracy generators, but this is what I've gathered pizzagate is:

  • Wikileaks releases John Podesta's emails.
  • Someone finds the "spirit cooking" email in the leaks -- Marina Abramovich inviting John Podesta's brother to dinner, calling it "spirit cooking" in reference to one of her conceptual art pieces. This is taken to mean that John Podesta snacks on cum on the regular as part of Satanic rituals
  • People start combing the email leaks for other references to food. They find emails with sentences that presumably made sense to the recipient but are baffling to outsiders, like "handkerchief with a pizza-related map" and "doing better at dominoes on cheese". They eventually decide it's actually a simple cipher, where "pizza" and "cheese" mean child sex.
  • They then start looking for links between Podesta and "pizza", and are led to Comet Ping-Pong, owned by James Alefantis (whose name according to Reddit taunts the public because it sounds like "j'aime les enfantes", as if he were some kind of pedo Phoenix Wright villain). This is the birth of "pizzagate" as a distinct belief/movement/Reddit community.
  • Alefantis has a very weird Instagram account. Reddit obligingly combs it and assumes every single picture with a child or something that they can't immediately understand as evidence that children are being abused at his restaurant. They especially flip out at pictures of foundation renovations and plumbing in an unfinished basement, which they take as evidence that there is an underground bunker beneath the restaurant where children are permanently imprisoned.
  • Alefantis is also a popular guy in the DC community with a lot of ties to prominent figures. This means they're all in on it too, obviously. Anyone who can be shown to be a friend of a friend of Alefantis or has ever gone to Comet Ping Pong is implicated in the abuse.

There's also other branches like the supposed Podesta/Madeleine McCain connection (apparently John and his brother were so hard up for children that they flew overseas, hung out outside hotels until they could find an unsupervised kid and then somehow spirited her back to the US) and how Podesta's involvement in the modern art scene proves he's a prodigious pervert because the right likes to take performance art completely literally. It is a cornucopia of conspiratorial thinking.

One could say these people are, uh, reaching.

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit

blowfish posted:

While it's generally included in 4chan, when was that?



Back during the early days of Chanology the website that wound up becoming the most central place for coordinating the effort (Enturbulation.org) was run by goons. A fair bit of Goon culture and technical knowhow was used to turn the incredibly rough nature of the early 'chans into an organized/competent force with decent PR.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
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Buglord
Original 4chan was the SA posters that said "those FYAD people have some good ideas" and didn't get the joke.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



So basically not "getting" FYAD is what elected Trump.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
I thought Moot and the other 4chan founders were kicked out of SA for liking hentai way to much. Funny thing SA to channers and reddit is considered some bastion of Skeletons and Robocops and all kinds of crazy far left ideas like women are people and children shouldn't be sexualized.

Soy Division
Aug 12, 2004

Alex Jones has now dived into Pizzagate with both feet so expect this to get a lot more traction.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Gail Wynand posted:

Alex Jones has now dived into Pizzagate with both feet so expect this to get a lot more traction.

FBI will make it their top priority on Jan 21st. So Trump can say he didn't prosecute the Clinton's for the e-mail "scandal", it was something completely different! :smug:

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

twistedmentat posted:

I thought Moot and the other 4chan founders were kicked out of SA for liking hentai way to much. .

No? They started 4chan because they wanted to mostly post images from anime and other things without writing much. Which wasn't really allowed on SA at the time.

4chan actually had significantly less hentai than ADTRW did for a while.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

fishmech posted:

No? They started 4chan because they wanted to mostly post images from anime and other things without writing much. Which wasn't really allowed on SA at the time.

4chan actually had significantly less hentai than ADTRW did for a while.

It was specifically the kind of hentai where the girls were super young. Forums poster moot founded 4chan because SA mods weren't tolerating that creepy poo poo anymore

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

QuarkJets posted:

It was specifically the kind of hentai where the girls were super young. Forums poster moot founded 4chan because SA mods weren't tolerating that creepy poo poo anymore

Pretty sure the pedocaust came after that

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

QuarkJets posted:

It was specifically the kind of hentai where the girls were super young. Forums poster moot founded 4chan because SA mods weren't tolerating that creepy poo poo anymore

Nope. That poo poo was rampant on ADTRW and tolerated for a while after 4chan was started, and was less common on 4chan by a lot until it got a lot bigger and creeps from across the internet started getting on it.

Like 4chan was founded in 2003, and people were openly talking about how much they loved "lolis" in ADTRW well into 2005/2006. The worst pedo dudes did start getting banned in 2004, but those were the worst of the worst who constantly talked about that stuff and also managed to annoy people in the rest of the forums, like Kirtaner or whatever.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

fishmech posted:

Nope. That poo poo was rampant on ADTRW and tolerated for a while after 4chan was started, and was less common on 4chan by a lot until it got a lot bigger and creeps from across the internet started getting on it.

Like 4chan was founded in 2003, and people were openly talking about how much they loved "lolis" in ADTRW well into 2005/2006. The worst pedo dudes did start getting banned in 2004, but those were the worst of the worst who constantly talked about that stuff and also managed to annoy people in the rest of the forums, like Kirtaner or whatever.

lolicon is a very legitimate means of artistic expression you philistine :weaboo: :furcry: :aatrek:

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

fishmech posted:

Nope. That poo poo was rampant on ADTRW and tolerated for a while after 4chan was started, and was less common on 4chan by a lot until it got a lot bigger and creeps from across the internet started getting on it.

Like 4chan was founded in 2003, and people were openly talking about how much they loved "lolis" in ADTRW well into 2005/2006. The worst pedo dudes did start getting banned in 2004, but those were the worst of the worst who constantly talked about that stuff and also managed to annoy people in the rest of the forums, like Kirtaner or whatever.

*shrug* I remember things happening differently

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

blowfish posted:

lolicon is a very legitimate means of artistic expression you philistine :weaboo: :furcry: :aatrek:

I believe you mean ephebocon.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc
http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-the-secrets-of-the-universe/

Jones is really going for it this year.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

QuarkJets posted:

It was specifically the kind of hentai where the girls were super young. Forums poster moot founded 4chan because SA mods weren't tolerating that creepy poo poo anymore

Yea, this is exactly what I heard. I've just heard a lot of stuff and figured that was the most likely to of happened.

here's the article that I was talking about that claims that the Podestas did in fact kidnapp McCain based on "Verifiable evidence"; among them is that they know Dennis Hastert, who was in government for decades so I'm pretty sure anyone in government over the age of 50 probably knows him. Plus a bunch of circumstantial and I think some really bizarre twisting of a statue (it looks just like a Dhalmer victim. though it doesn't)
http://livingresistance.com/2016/11/18/podestas-involved-mccanns-abduction-factual-analysis/

Oh boy they have a PIZZAGATE IS REAL!!!!! REDDIT IS SILENCING THE WHISTLEBLOWERS! article
http://livingresistance.com/2016/11/24/legitimacy-pizzagate-child-sex-trafficking-ring-washington-dc/

I cannot seem to find anything that criticizes this site, so I don't know if they're complete wack jobs or honestly tryint do

Also where the gently caress did the Julian Assaign is dead meme come from? Though I think its funny that one day people were talking about that, then the suspicious that Russia hacked the election the same people were going "Is Wikileaks part of the Russian hack?"

Also, I think its kind of creepy and a lot scary that Trump seems to ignoring legit intelligence and information in favor of the Enquirer and Infowars.

Threep
Apr 1, 2006

It's kind of a long story.

twistedmentat posted:

Also where the gently caress did the Julian Assaign is dead meme come from?
Congratulations, /r/WhereIsAssange! You are Subreddit of the Day!

They are of course convinced the interview with him the other day was a forgery

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007
Probation
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twistedmentat posted:

Also, I think its kind of creepy and a lot scary that Trump seems to ignoring legit intelligence and information in favor of the Enquirer and Infowars.

He's already conspiracy-mongering over how he actually won the popular vote except for those drat illegals, likely as a springboard to voter suppression.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

twistedmentat posted:

Also where the gently caress did the Julian Assaign is dead meme come from? Though I think its funny that one day people were talking about that, then the suspicious that Russia hacked the election the same people were going "Is Wikileaks part of the Russian hack?"

Assange finally got his Internet access cut off and hasn't made public appearances in an embassy window or anything for a while, so they're claiming he was murdered or kidnapped by the CIA.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
I guess when you're a media whore like Assange, going silent is akin to death.

Oh that's right, he was cybering a 12 year old or some other creepy poo poo.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Data Graham posted:

So basically not "getting" FYAD is what elected Trump.

prodromal schizophrenia is as good an explanation as any. peace.

Elderbean
Jun 10, 2013


So how about the whole conspiracy surrounding Kurt Cobain/Courtney Love? Is there any substance to it? I didn't know much about it, to be honest. Two of my friends asked me to watch Soaked in Bleach with them, and I have a feeling I was being sold one version of the narrative. They're totally onboard with the theory, I think people just don't want to accept the fact that a guy they looked up to killed himself.

Dog Jones
Nov 4, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

twistedmentat posted:

I guess when you're a media whore like Assange, going silent is akin to death.

Oh that's right, he was cybering a 12 year old or some other creepy poo poo.

Do you imagine yourself as a skeptical thinker, or a critical thinker? I think this conceit is what would motivate a post like this, which is hilarious since you are dismissing one conspiracy theory completely out of hand, while also advocating for another with zero substance. I don't think you're as clever as you think!

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
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Buglord

Elderbean posted:

So how about the whole conspiracy surrounding Kurt Cobain/Courtney Love? Is there any substance to it? I didn't know much about it, to be honest. Two of my friends asked me to watch Soaked in Bleach with them, and I have a feeling I was being sold one version of the narrative. They're totally onboard with the theory, I think people just don't want to accept the fact that a guy they looked up to killed himself.

The note is legitimately weird. but it wouldn't be the only time a person high on drugs made a note that was weird. Every other bit of evidence is made up whole cloth.

Tias
May 25, 2008

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

The note is legitimately weird. but it wouldn't be the only time a person high on drugs made a note that was weird. Every other bit of evidence is made up whole cloth.

I used to be a Courney truther, to my shame. Once you realize dude had massive scoliosis from sitting and playing wrong in high school, the heroin habit makes sense, and if you ever knew anyone that died from an OD, well, you know it's usually a flat-out accident.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
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Buglord

Tias posted:

I used to be a Courney truther, to my shame. Once you realize dude had massive scoliosis from sitting and playing wrong in high school, the heroin habit makes sense, and if you ever knew anyone that died from an OD, well, you know it's usually a flat-out accident.

Yeah, but he didn't die from an overdose, he died from a shotgun shooting him in the head while he was also having an overdose. It's not an impossible situation but it's a weird situation.

Tias
May 25, 2008

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Yeah, but he didn't die from an overdose, he died from a shotgun shooting him in the head while he was also having an overdose. It's not an impossible situation but it's a weird situation.

The most common truther argument in this case is "Kurt was so happy leading up to the incident, he was saying how well everything was shaping up for him and the future looked good" as if this was somehow ironclad proof that Courtney did it - and that is completely ignoring the fact that many personality disorders or depression, combined with drug use, can easily give moods shifting from joyous mania to suicidal ideation.

To me, the fact that he had debilitating chronic pain combined with a heroin habit leading to a sudden compulsion to end it all seems a lot more plausible is all.

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Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

Dog Jones posted:

Do you imagine yourself as a skeptical thinker, or a critical thinker? I think this conceit is what would motivate a post like this, which is hilarious since you are dismissing one conspiracy theory completely out of hand, while also advocating for another with zero substance. I don't think you're as clever as you think!

Yeah, he was grooming an underage girl, not cybering her.

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