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LGD posted:And here I will flip the table on you: why do you assume representation stands in opposition to competence/good policy? I think the idea is that whites have an advantage, so it would be nice to make an effort to find minority candidates instead of just choosing the people who show up first (who would probably skew white).
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Lumpy the Cook posted:The democrats plan going forward should be to keep shaming American citizens for various vague 'reasons' while turning a blind eye to the Saudis and their continuing human rights violations and mass war crimes upon the people of Yemen. This has been working really well for them so far. LOL, vague reasons, sure. Nice follow-through with the America: World Police rah rah right afterwards. A++, would Republican again.
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Lightning Knight posted:
A majority of white women didn't vote for the white female candidate, and did vote for the giant orange sexist. This was not because they thought the Democratic party was skewing too hard towards the interests of white working class men.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:16
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Jizz Festival posted:I think the idea is that whites have an advantage, so it would be nice to make an effort to find minority candidates instead of just choosing the people who show up first (who would probably skew white). This is why our candidates end up being disproportionately white dudes, but it's not why we should change it. We should change it because it's been demonstrated that people want to feel represented and respond to younger and more charismatic candidates, and demonstrating a commitment to run more minority candidates would keep minority voters engaged while giving us a path to incorporate labor friendly policy into our platforms.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:17
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LGD posted:A majority of white women didn't vote for the white female candidate, and did vote for the giant orange sexist. I mean, I would argue that it was because they chose race over class, which is a whole other issue nobody on the left wants to talk about because the idea that people could consistently chose race over class is terrifying.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:19
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when the rest of us are digging through the sands for scraps of food, this thread will still provide us with hot american takes
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Nov 29, 2016 03:20
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean, I would argue that it was because they chose race over class, which is a whole other issue nobody on the left wants to talk about because the idea that people could consistently chose race over class is terrifying. Nobody wants to talk about it because that analysis is wrong and stupid and has been done to death.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:20
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voting for the party of "free college for entrepreneurs" and "universal health care will never happen" is not a vote for the working class, i would contend, or the left
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Nov 29, 2016 03:23
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean, I would argue that it was because they chose race over class, which is a whole other issue nobody on the left wants to talk about because the idea that people could consistently chose race over class is terrifying.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:23
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Jizz Festival posted:Nobody wants to talk about it because that analysis is wrong and stupid and has been done to death. I see that this argument is going to keep happening in circles for the rest of time where we pretend like the Southern Strategy and backlash against desegregation never happened and that race politics aren't distinct from class politics in America.
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Lightning Knight posted:I see that this argument is going to keep happening in circles for the rest of time where we pretend like the Southern Strategy and backlash against desegregation never happened and that race politics aren't distinct from class politics in America.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:25
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean, I would argue that it was because they chose race over class, which is a whole other issue nobody on the left wants to talk about because the idea that people could consistently chose race over class is terrifying. Ahahaha Well even putting aside how wrongheaded that is, that would seem to pose obvious issues for your proposition that gender representation is extremely important wouldn't it? And that representation in general is the path towards political success? Even if you strongly mobilize African American and Hispanic voters they only account for about as much of the population as white evangelical Christians. If whites are all monstrous racists it sure seems like you better offer them something to assemble a winning coalition. E: and to reiterate, your understanding is laughably wrong LGD fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Nov 29, 2016 03:26
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So they're suppose to announce Price as HHS tomorrow. We all knew it was coming but it does not make it less stressful. I expect of course a complete repeal with a "replacement" in place in a year like a voucher program or something.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:27
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RandomBlue posted:LOL, vague reasons, sure. Nice follow-through with the America: World Police rah rah right afterwards. A++, would Republican again. There's nothing 'world police' about speaking out and condemning foreign powers when they carry out human rights violations using weapons and vehicles they bought from us. I think a good idea would be to stop selling them such equipment so that they can't murder Yemeni people with them
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Nov 29, 2016 03:28
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cheese posted:Class politics were not an issue in this election because both candidates are members of the 1% and have their interests at heart.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:31
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FactsAreUseless posted:Barack Obama also moved notably rightward after his election, and when I say that I mean that rather than surround himself with the people he was expected to, such as the many young liberals on his campaign team, his White House consisted of a lot of party faithful and old members of the Clinton White House, in much the same way that W. Bush had a lot of members of the first Bush and Reagan administrations on his team. Kilroy posted:A surprisingly large number of people have managed to convince themselves that Donald J "loving" Trump is actually the candidate of the working class. They're of course wrong, but we're talking about perception here not fact.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I still remember the moment I found out he'd chosen Timothy Geitner as treasury secretary. Was my first "oh poo poo, yup, he's turning right like we thought he would" moment. He was always pretty centrist. The fact that so many people on the left bought into the Fox News line about how Obama was a sekrut communist was probably the leading indicator that fake news was a real thing that could shape people's opinions.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:"Islam isn't a race" is the new "I'm not racist, but . . ." Islam isn't s race, but I like mustard on a ham sandwich
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Nov 29, 2016 03:34
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Price's big plan is to eliminate all the bad parts of the ACA and give people 2100 dollar flat tax credit or some poo poo for buying insurance. Oh and open up state lines for Insurance companies. Hahahahahahahahahahaha
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Nov 29, 2016 03:35
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Obama was clearly to the right of Hillary back in 2008. He probably still is today. His popularity was because he wasn't connected to all the parts of Washington that killed Hillary this cycle.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:36
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Hollismason posted:Price's big plan is to eliminate all the bad parts of the ACA and give people 2100 dollar flat tax credit or some poo poo for buying insurance. Oh and open up state lines for Insurance companies. Lol please tell me it isn't even a refundable credit 
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Nov 29, 2016 03:37
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Xae posted:He was always pretty centrist. He did dial it up a bit in the 2008 election, though, since the financial crisis was in full swing and people were sick unto death of Bush. Stuff like closing Guantanamo, pushing for single-payer. But yeah, mostly he left it vague and relied on people to fill in the blanks with their own expectations. If he meant to pursue those things seriously but was stifled by GOP resistance or was just making pleasant noises before appointing his full-on establishment cabinet, that is left to each person's discretion.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:37
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Hollismason posted:Price's big plan is to eliminate all the bad parts of the ACA and give people 2100 dollar flat tax credit or some poo poo for buying insurance. Oh and open up state lines for Insurance companies. I don't know what this means. 
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Nov 29, 2016 03:38
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Lumpy the Cook posted:Do the governments of 'Christian Red States' frequently execute homosexuals and 'adulterers' via beheading They'd love to. Hell, many have tried passing laws to allow their religion the right to judge others legally. Just because they have not been able to yet does not mean they'd love to do so.
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Lumpy the Cook posted:Do the governments of 'Christian Red States' frequently execute homosexuals and 'adulterers' via beheading Our vice-president elect advocated for sexual torture of homosexuals.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:39
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I don't know what this means. It means the insured are going to get hosed. Poor people with(out) insurance are going to get double hosed. Selling across state lines is loving terrible because it will be a race to see which state can implement the most "gently caress Consumer" policies possible and everyone will sell there. A single pro-consumer federal set of regulations could have the same efficiency and significantly less screwing of people.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:40
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Sephyr posted:He did dial it up a bit in the 2008 election, though, since the financial crisis was in full swing and people were sick unto death of Bush. Stuff like closing Guantanamo, pushing for single-payer. But yeah, mostly he left it vague and relied on people to fill in the blanks with their own expectations. Shimrra Jamaane posted:I don't know what this means.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:41
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cheese posted:I think you will find that he was clearly a hard left progressive based on all of the times he went to bat for truly progressive policy positions such as Why waste breath?
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Nov 29, 2016 03:42
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Xae posted:It means the insured are going to get hosed. And Obama and the ACA will take all the blame for it.
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Bip Roberts posted:Our vice-president elect advocated for sexual torture of homosexuals. Wow I didn't know he was so kinky.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:43
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The president-elect is spending his evening retweeting people that call out a CNN journalist by name and claim voter fraud occurred.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:44
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I don't know what this means. A) Exchanges and premium subsidies are probably out. B) Instead of premium subsidies, enrollees will get ~$2,100 in the form of a (lol probably nonrefundable) tax credit. C) Insurers are probably going to be required to cover preexisting conditions but only as long as the insured has no gaps in coverage. D) Inter-state selling of policies means every insurer operates out of Wyoming who will allow them to operate at a 30% loss ratio on top of only really needing to provide catastrophic coverage to be considered comprehensive health insurance.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:46
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zegermans posted:Uh weren't you guys screaming about how Clinton was throwing money at unwinnable races in AZ/TX/etc and now you want them to throw money at an unwinnable race? To be fair, before that they were laughing at Trump spending money/time on PA/WI/MI.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:47
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lol @ all of the Trump voters who thought that he wouldn't touch their health insurance. It's gonna be a real lovely time to be poor the next couple of years
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Nov 29, 2016 03:47
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Nucleic Acids posted:And Obama and the ACA will take all the blame for it. The buck stops here.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:48
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I will be curious to see if they really do try to touch the pre-existing condition coverage. That was one of the really popular aspects of the ACA and if Democrats have half a brain, they will spend some real money on decent ads blasting them for it.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:49
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Bip Roberts posted:Obama was clearly to the right of Hillary back in 2008. He probably still is today. His popularity was because he wasn't connected to all the parts of Washington that killed Hillary this cycle. How was Obama to the right of Clinton? The only big policy difference between them that I remember is Clinton supported a healthcare mandate and Obama didn't.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:49
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Thanks Christ I live in Massachusetts. Mass Health is going to save my rear end.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:51
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cheese posted:I will be curious to see if they really do try to touch the pre-existing condition coverage. That was one of the really popular aspects of the ACA and if Democrats have half a brain, they will spend some real money on decent ads blasting them for it. The problem with changing the ACA is that literally every part of it, other than the mandate, polls at absurd approval levels. Even the individual mandate is pretty popular.
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FAUXTON posted:A) Exchanges and premium subsidies are probably out. A) Mandated exchanges, sure, so most states with a republican governor will be hosed. Most blue states will probably keep their exchanges. B) fuuuuuck C)This makes zero sense, the whole problem with pre-existing conditions was coverage gaps. My bet is the rule will stay as is, which is actually bad in this scenario. D)fuuuuuuuuuuuuck
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