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Mr. Funny Pants posted:Unless there's another ricochet room I'm forgetting, Han did that. I forgot that it was Han who shoots because he's frustrated with Chewbacca's cowardice. Instead, we can talk about how Chewbacca blunders into an incredibly obvious trap with the ewoks. The point is that the things characters do in a film contribute to their characterization.
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ruddiger posted:Luke comes off just as whiney in A New Hope and spoiled enough to question Yoda again and again in Empire. Yeah, well, they did it right back in '77 and '80.
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CelticPredator posted:Yeah, well, they did it right back in '77 and '80. But that's kind of the point, isn't it? The OT characters have their share of flaws and make some missteps, but ultimately they make good choices, trust in the right people, fight for solid principles, and develop into more complete human beings along the way. The prequel heroes don't do those things, and they all pay dearly for it.
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CelticPredator posted:We all did. I'm sorry George Lucas decided to hurt you instead of personally funding the movies you wanted.
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CelticPredator posted:But you can feel bad for them. To be fair, even in just the first season Walter White has a lot more time to be developed than Anakin ever does. There's room for a very gradual transition from "this is a man pushed to do bad things" to "he was always kind of a stubborn rear end in a top hat" and so on until he's actively murdering people. Star Wars has to work in broad strokes. And even then people sometimes don't get it.
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Gatts posted:SMGs posts are fuckable.
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Shiroc posted:I'm sorry George Lucas decided to hurt you instead of personally funding the movies you wanted. Well, he did make the movies I wanted, but then Thing Prequeled them somethin fierce.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:58
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CelticPredator posted:Well, he did make the movies I wanted, but then Thing Prequeled them somethin fierce. You can just ignore them. I don't like Force Awakens so I just disregard it and don't plan to see any of the future ones.
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Nov 29, 2016 07:01
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Serf posted:It turns out people don't actually want what they think they want. As SMG once wrote: quote:Obsessive fandom (of the sort that results in Wookiepedia) is fueled by fantasy of total positive knowledge. Star Wars fans desire 'answers' that will provide a complete picture of the Star Wars virtual universe, so that its entire teleological design can be fully comprehended. (What are the clone wars, how did Yoda use a lightsaber, etc.) Since no such design actually exists, the point of fandom is the desiring itself. Fans do not 'actually' want these answers. It's just endless desire. And Lucasarts has gladly catered to with the endless supply of tantalizing 'Expanded Universe' materials cataloged as Wookiepedia.
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Nov 29, 2016 07:02
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Shiroc posted:You can just ignore them. I don't like Force Awakens so I just disregard it and don't plan to see any of the future ones. I'm gonna be salty forever about those Special Editions.
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INT. GANTRY - OUTSIDE CONTROL ROOM - REACTOR SHAFT THE PREQUELS Plinkett never told you what happened to Star Wars. A FAN He told me enough. He told me you killed it. THE PREQUELS No. I am Star Wars. A FAN That's not true! That's impossible!
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CelticPredator posted:I'm gonna be salty forever about those Special Editions. That's fair, but the original versions still exist, just not in Ultra Deluxe Trilogy Three Packs available now at your local retailer.
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CelticPredator posted:I'm gonna be salty forever about those Special Editions. You're salty because you know you have value, courage, and skills you could contribute, but your clumsy arguments and awkward dialect keep causing people to dismiss you as a fool. It's you, you are the Jar Jar. The prequels are within you.
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I don't give a gently caress about the prequels.
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Some of the Special Edition changes were clearly made solely for technical reasons - just to see if they could, in anticipation of needing to do something like that in The Phantom Menace. They mostly succeeded form a technical standpoint, but some of them - most notably the restored Jabba scene - are pretty disruptive. (The Jabba scene was also a bit of a mixed bag technically. Totally replacing an actor with an effect in post-production without chroma key, and manipulating the position of another actor, was pretty state-of-the-art at the time. But the texture on the Jabba model is just a mess.) Others, like the lighting and backgrounds on Cloud City and the montage at the end of Return of the Jedi, serve to pivot the aesthetics and tone toward what was coming, and are appreciated. From the rest, the last time I compared the editions, I didn't notice much in the way of narrative significance to them. Even the shooting in the cantina mostly serve to make Greedo look dumb without having that much of an effect on Han (who is still quite clearly planning on icing him from the word go). Well, that's what I think, anyway. Jedi Rocks is better than Lapti Nek.
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I really don't like the added Jabba scene for the most part, especially the Boba Fett staring at the camera bit. Somebody in this thread pointed out that it makes it very clear that Han would have been fine if he paid off Jabba with his reward for saving Leia, but it also seems like he could have immediately left to pay him after the Death Star was destroyed, so eh.
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The MSJ posted:This reminds me, there's inter-species romance in Star Wars but there are no hybrid characters. That's surprisingly realistic.  UmOk posted:Why didn't Gender Master Yoda go with him? Assepoester fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Barudak posted:Wait a slave is fuckin spoiled because he is hopeful that a force of good as he understands it will free other people like him and then risks is life in a lethal racing competition to get them a part for their spaceship with no request or bargaining for anything in return? The thing is that people can't separate their intrinsic reactions to a character as presented and acted and the character as specified in the plotting. What you say about Lil an akin is true. At the same time, I didn't like the actor and found every scene with him a teeth gritting slog. There are reasons in the text and subtext for adult anakin to act like he does but holy poo poo he's also hitting every lovely moody teenager trigger I have and dammit I don't wanna spend time with this guy. There are also ideas I like when viewed at a distance that the way the film handles on screen in a way I just do not believe for a moment. The doomed romance? Doesn't work for me. I love the concept, but I don't believe those characters actions and I camt standthe acting. The failures of the jedi and the republics rush into the arms of fascism is some interesting poo poo until the movies actually take a look at it and it all comes across as such outrageous contrivance that again I can't get behind it. Hubris? Cool. Acting against your own principles as you head into war? Interesting. Just accepting the billions of clone troopers some assholes handed to you at face value with a shrug? This is a level of stupidity I cannot get behind or believe. It seems to me that most defence of the prequels takes that kind of broad strokes view of the themes and while I agree there are interesting ideas and a wonderful narrative sweep here it just doesn't hold up to me moment to moment, whether it's because of bad dialogue, acting or a reliance on idiot ball decisions throughout.
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Cardboard Box A posted:The Gender Bendu Order ??? 
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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hybrid I'd actually take this mention of wookiepedia to introduce one of the stupidest time wasters I've ever invented. Visit wookipedia, hit random article and post your new Liquid DNB / Cloud Rap / Vaporwave Artist and Album name. Fabrin - Novolek Beacon Ketter Yaaran - Atmospheric Dampener
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I forgot that it was Han who shoots because he's frustrated with Chewbacca's cowardice. Instead, we can talk about how Chewbacca blunders into an incredibly obvious trap with the ewoks. The point is that the things characters do in a film contribute to their characterization. Yep, didn't mean to take away from the point you were making.
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Cardboard Box A posted:
Those are kids from a previous marriage, not hybrids. Clones can't reproduce, except for maybe Boba.
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MrJacobs posted:Clones can't reproduce, except for maybe Boba. They can't? I'd never heard that.
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I would think a more workable argument would be that those kids are definitely older than two years, which is the oldest they could possibly be if their dad was an AWOL clone
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Super Fan posted:Ford, Jones and Guiness still act circles around everyone in the PT. Ian McDiarmid in the PT acts circles around everyone in the OT. .
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Davros1 posted:Ian McDiarmid in the PT acts circles around everyone in the OT. . Even Ian McDiarmid?
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RBA Starblade posted:Even Ian McDiarmid? Especially Ian McDiarmid.
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Davros1 posted:Ian McDiarmid in the PT acts circles around everyone in the OT. . No, he goes so far it's comical and not in a good way. That hammy acting he does when he's electrocuting himself is just the worst
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Ham is delicious.
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No, like Guiness and Cushing, McDiarmid recognized that the Star Wars were nothing more than a pulpy genre, and played it accordingly.
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McDiarmid crushed it every time he appeared in the movies but in the prequels he was at the top of his game. Too bad he and McGregor didn't get more scenes together because they were fantastic.
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Davros1 posted:No, like Guiness and Cushing, McDiarmid recognized that the Star Wars were nothing more than a pulpy genre, and played it accordingly. I don't recall Guiness and Cushing saying "NO NO NO" like a petulant kid, but it's been awhile since I've seen the OT. McDiarmid shoulda shown a little restraint.
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Lol at people finding another minor detail to complain on and on about. It's the definition of missing the forest for the trees. "Thes are the worst movies ever. In this scene, this guy reads a line like a child! Like a child! It's bad. It's bad!"
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Yaws posted:No, he goes so far it's comical and not in a good way. That hammy acting he does when he's electrocuting himself is just the worst We'll just have to disagree.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:UNLIMITED POWER Unlimited HAM!
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Why do some fans jerk off all over Guinness? He seems genuinely bored in a lot of scenes. Especially when he's a ghost in Empire
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Alec Guinness has phoned in better performances than some actors have ever given.
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On the whole I really don't like the prequels, but if they want to make a movie where palatine just chews the scenery for a for hours and freaks out about his unlimited power id buy 5 tickets
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