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Condiv posted:A) She may run again in 4 years, so nope still relevant. She isn't going to run for president again. 2016 was her window slamming shut, no matter how much people want to play her up as some dark lich queen who only ages superficially. Getting old happens to everyone and running for president is incredibly grueling, let alone being president. She probably isn't going to fade away like W did but she won't be running for president. Senator maybe but even that's an outside shot. She and her entire party power bloc are disgraced beyond redemption, and there's no way she's going to be able to convince even the NY senate primary voters that she's anything other than a craven triangulating machine who will sap the life out of the party apparatus if allowed to.
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FAUXTON posted:She isn't going to run for president again. 2016 was her window slamming shut, no matter how much people want to play her up as some dark lich queen who only ages superficially. Getting old happens to everyone and running for president is incredibly grueling, let alone being president. She probably isn't going to fade away like W did but she won't be running for president. Senator maybe but even that's an outside shot. She and her entire party power bloc are disgraced beyond redemption, and there's no way she's going to be able to convince even the NY senate primary voters that she's anything other than a craven triangulating machine who will sap the life out of the party apparatus if allowed to. I certainly hope so, but it never hurts to remind people of why her career deserves to be dead 💀
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FAUXTON posted:She isn't going to run for president again. 2016 was her window slamming shut, no matter how much people want to play her up as some dark lich queen who only ages superficially. Getting old happens to everyone and running for president is incredibly grueling, let alone being president. She probably isn't going to fade away like W did but she won't be running for president. Senator maybe but even that's an outside shot. She and her entire party power bloc are disgraced beyond redemption, and there's no way she's going to be able to convince even the NY senate primary voters that she's anything other than a craven triangulating machine who will sap the life out of the party apparatus if allowed to. Basically this. If there's any take away for Hillary personally it's just how toxic the Clinton brand is to an electorate. She may be able to hold out a senate seat in New York if she ever wanted to do that again, but my guess is after this election she'll just bury herself in the Clinton Foundation where she doesn't have to run a political campaign anymore.
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DeathSandwich posted:Basically this. If there's any take away for Hillary personally it's just how toxic the Clinton brand is to an electorate. She may be able to hold out a senate seat in New York if she ever wanted to do that again, but my guess is after this election she'll just bury herself in the Clinton Foundation where she doesn't have to run a political campaign anymore.
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I think most voters don't *despise* Clinton as this board does, but they certainly wouldn't vote for her again because she is seen as someone who can't win. Her career is now over.
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BarbarianElephant posted:I think most voters don't *despise* Clinton as this board does, but they certainly wouldn't vote for her again because she is seen as someone who can't win. Her career is now over.  ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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I thought people didn't vote against candidates, but in favor of policies.
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Bueno Papi posted:Or the medicaid expansion. Yeah, the states will have to pay for 20% of it but it also makes all your hospitals solvent overnight. That and the people not dying thing. The states actually paid for 0% of the Medicaid expansion for 3 years. Then their share of the payments increased by 2% a year until it reaches 10% in 2023. It caps at 10% forever after that. It is an insanely good deal for any state that cares about having a well run Medicaid system or the health of its citizens. It is a bad deal for any state that is trying to balance the state budget in order to direct every possible spare tax dollar to tax cuts.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It is an insanely good deal for any state that cares about having a well run Medicaid system or the health of its citizens. It is a bad deal for any state that is trying to balance the state budget in order to direct every possible spare tax dollar to tax cuts. Don't worry with block grants they'll be able to use the medicaid money to plug their tax cut budget holes.
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Hmmm. Looks like she won the state she's been the senator of. What were you proving with this?
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is today be an obtuse motherfucker day and no one told me?
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Phone posted:ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh Use your words.
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Joementum posted:The take where Senator Clinton introduced a bill that punished flag burning with up to two years in prison? look, America had just been ATTACKED, it was a different time
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Phone posted:is today be an obtuse motherfucker day and no one told me? Sorry, were you making the same point I was? She could probably go back to the Senate. I don't think she'll bother though.
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Well if you want to get pedantic about it, more people voted for her (provided you're not insane).
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Phone posted:is today be an obtuse motherfucker day and no one told me? You posted an electoral map without much context or making an argument. If your argument is Trump won, and using that as proof that people wouldn't vote for Clintonnow I should probably remind you she won the popular vote by 2 million votes Edit: not a Clinton supporter, voted WWP. LunarShadow fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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alright, fine. i live in a "safe" suburban city and my neighbor up the road who runs a taxi service had a HILLARY FOR PRISON sign in his yard. other signage in my small subdivision were like maybe 2 or 3 signs out for Clinton/Kaine. i don't think i have to stretch your imaginations too much to say that the dude with the HILLARY FOR PRISON sign on his front yard was doing it for a laugh. this election was her's to lose and she lost it.
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Phone posted:alright, fine. i live in a "safe" suburban city and my neighbor up the road who runs a taxi service had a HILLARY FOR PRISON sign in his yard. other signage in my small subdivision were like maybe 2 or 3 signs out for Clinton/Kaine. i don't think i have to stretch your imaginations too much to say that the dude with the HILLARY FOR PRISON sign on his front yard was doing it for a laugh. We know. What's that have to do with anything else people were talking about?
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blue squares posted:look, America had just been ATTACKED, it was a different time Specifically, 2005.
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Joementum posted:Specifically, 2005. Consequently, the last time Obama's team won a WS.
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Nov 29, 2016 16:39
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Yeah Tom Price is gonna try to kill Medicare and Medicaid for sure. The ACA is done but that's a foregone conclusion. Dude is an arch conservative, an uncompromising embodiment of the southern Republican made flesh. He was also rude to one of my old classmates once.
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Guy Farting posted:Yeah Tom Price is gonna try to kill Medicare and Medicaid for sure. The ACA is done but that's a foregone conclusion. Social security is on the chopping block too. After 8 years of Trump, America will be lucky to have any socialized medicine left (it won't have any). On the plus side, there won't be any baby boomers left after this happens.
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With Devos , Price , and Sessions as picks we are getting the worst of the worst. So I really expect Gollum for SoS. Weird that Carson would get housing. Cause he isn't the worst person possible to have that job.
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https://twitter.com/politico/status/803624911637979136 your infrequent reminder that Mitch McConnell's wife is Chinese (and was a cabinet secretary under GWB)
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Covok posted:On the plus side, there won't be any baby boomers left after this happens.
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HannibalBarca posted:https://twitter.com/politico/status/803624911637979136 Finally we have the plan to rebuild coal country: make all locomotives steam engines again.
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DeathSandwich posted:Basically this. If there's any take away for Hillary personally it's just how toxic the Clinton brand is to an electorate. She may be able to hold out a senate seat in New York if she ever wanted to do that again, but my guess is after this election she'll just bury herself in the Clinton Foundation where she doesn't have to run a political campaign anymore. Then again we're talking about whatever happens after the Trump Presidency which is all up in the loving air. The smartest thing would be to never try again, but we don't know if it'd be possible for something to become so catastrophic it makes the name Clinton electable. But that's assuming the Dems would also touch her again after 2016 which I also highly doubtful, even if the old dem establishment wins the on-going slap fight.
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I'm kind of curious where the actual jobs for kilroy's communism plan of "force all businesses to have half their board of directors made up of ordinary workers," so that the poor little rural shitheads can be treated with respect, are going to come from. The problem in the rust belt and similar areas is that there are no employers. They left.
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Whether they like her or not, she's going to be too old to run again. In 4 years time there will be a chance for a younger Democrat to make a name for themselves, especially if Trump doesn't manage to bring those factories back.
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Covok posted:Social security is on the chopping block too. I wonder if Baby Boomers complaining when their Medicare and Social Security get gutted will do anything? Or I guess most of them will be too immobile after not receiving adequate healthcare to do anything as their children have to support them.
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fits my needs posted:I wonder if Baby Boomers complaining when their Medicare and Social Security get gutted will do anything? Or I guess most of them will be too immobile after not receiving adequate healthcare to do anything as their children have to support them. The privatization plans are always designed to only kick in for younger people, so Boomers can do what they do best and enjoy the fruits of the previous generation while denying it to their descendants.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Whether they like her or not, she's going to be too old to run again. In 4 years time there will be a chance for a younger Democrat to make a name for themselves, especially if Trump doesn't manage to bring those factories back. Oh he'll bring factories back, but they'll be Chinese style Potemkin factories that can't make anything because the resources aren't loving there. He'll waste a lot of dollars pushing up Trump Hotels and Trump whatever that none of the Rustbelt could actually keep because there is no economy there even Trump tries to form up little Trump Towns. And if those fail like they most likely will, the Rustbelt will start to turn on him and Trump will tweet about how worthless that part of the country is for daring to insult HIM.
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The Democrats need Justin Trudeau. Seriously, just go kidnap him or something.
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fits my needs posted:I wonder if Baby Boomers complaining when their Medicare and Social Security get gutted will do anything? Or I guess most of them will be too immobile after not receiving adequate healthcare to do anything as their children have to support them. Too bad their children are flat broke for being lazy shits!!
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irlZaphod posted:The Democrats need Justin Trudeau. america has already elected a handsome charismatic liberal, and his term ends in january what america needs is leftism, not more liberalism
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Mustached Demon posted:Too bad their children are flat broke for being lazy shits!! drat lazy Millennials.......making Medicare and Social Security unviable due to their own combined laziness!
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zegermans posted:The privatization plans are always designed to only kick in for younger people, so Boomers can do what they do best and enjoy the fruits of the previous generation while denying it to their descendants. Not exactly. Paul Ryan's ObamaMediCare plan is supposed to take effect in 2024.
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It's disappointing to say the least that Obama is not saying a word about the impending destruction of his major legacy. He should be speaking out and reminding people of the good things they are about to lose.
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