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Covok posted:Social security is on the chopping block too. We'll still have the VA. Service guarantees healthcare. Join up now!
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Young Freud posted:Not exactly. Paul Ryan's ObamaMediCare plan is supposed to take effect in 2024. I thought it only applied to people 50 or younger at the time of signing, though.
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i loved when nobody credulously reported the view of the anonymous idiots behind propornot, which called nakedcapitalism and the black agenda report kremlin propaganda oh wait it turns out that most people, including me for sure, are stupidly credulous to stories that flatter their worldview
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Swan Oat posted:america has already elected a handsome charismatic liberal, and his term ends in january Oh my god I can almost feel the smug oozing out of this post
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Phone posted:There's no reason to go out of your way to defend this poo poo. Like don't burn calories over this stuff. I'm not defending it as policy. I just think that if every single time Trump says or does a bad thing people pull out the "but Hillary did a vaguely similar thing ten or twenty years ago  " we'll never get anywhere. Let the right hate monger against irrelevant politicians of the past. What Hillary and Bill think stopped mattering November 9.
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Boon posted:Oh my god I can almost feel the smug oozing out of this post That's the mating call of a guy who likes losing elections
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Boon posted:Oh my god I can almost feel the smug oozing out of this post boon, thank you
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irlZaphod posted:The Democrats need Justin Trudeau. The US already has their version of Trudeau. Someone who's relatively young, handsome, charismatic, fools morons into thinking he's progressive and willing to cede state assets and infrastructure to the private sector. Enjoy Corey Booker 2020!
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fits my needs posted:I wonder if Baby Boomers complaining when their Medicare and Social Security get gutted will do anything? Or I guess most of them will be too immobile after not receiving adequate healthcare to do anything as their children have to support them. As their malnourished eyes close for the final time and their body gives in to the long slumber they will summon the absolute final vestiges of their strength to utter the words "Its all the fault of the niggers". The more pain they experience, the more they will displace that pain into hatred directed at minorities. There is no situation that will ever make that group of people turn their gaze inwards and start asking themselves the hard questions. All they know is how to blame minorities for the miseries in their life. Its all they have ever known, its all their Daddy ever knew, its all their Grandpappy ever knew, and so on etc. If a solution to this problem exists, it will not be found within Trump supporters suddenly developing self awareness. It will have to be found in the American progressive movement.
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Yeah that's the problem with the Ryan and Republicans healthcare initiatives it rarely affect Medicare recipients currently. If anything it's even worse because they're destroying people's futures. The Medicaid changes are going to be real bad. Like it is gonna cause more hospitals to reduce emergency care services bad. A good example of this is when Booby Kinda didn't take the Medicaid expansion Sion which resulted in Baton Rouge General hospital to close their ER because it was coating them millions of dollars a month.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's disappointing to say the least that Obama is not saying a word about the impending destruction of his major legacy. He should be speaking out and reminding people of the good things they are about to lose. He is waiting until he is out of office.
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I was trying to write Bobby Jindal but phone corrected it to Booby I feel that's appropriate though.
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Hollismason posted:I was trying to write Bobby Jindal but phone corrected it to Booby I feel that's appropriate though. I really enjoy how he went with an outright "loot and pillage" policy with the state he was governor of. Get as much money out of it for yourself and family members and friends and then leave the broken, burning husk behind when you leave. Kind of like what the federal government will be like in 4 years actually.
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Ego-bot posted:The US already has their version of Trudeau. Someone who's relatively young, handsome, charismatic, fools morons into thinking he's progressive and willing to cede state assets and infrastructure to the private sector. Let's not go crazy
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Khisanth Magus posted:I really enjoy how he went with an outright "loot and pillage" policy with the state he was governor of. Get as much money out of it for yourself and family members and friends and then leave the broken, burning husk behind when you leave. Kind of like what the federal government will be like in 4 years actually. you say that like the Legislature didn't support him. The second Edwards came into power suddenly none of the Republican Legislature wanted to do anything and he had to cancel all funding to LSU to get them to do anything. They immediately turned around and blamed Edwards for everything.
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https://twitter.com/KFaulders/status/803618270477590530 i think i was wrong to attribute trump's tweets to any strategic thinking on his part i do wonder, though, what this means for governance. if trump is really just regurgitating the last thing he heard on television, then it suggests that the best way to influence policy is through television and the press. it would certainly explain the very public fight over cabinet appointments. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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DeusExMachinima posted:Dylan Roof has elected to represent himself in his murder trial. It worked for Ammon Bundy. All Roof needs is a single idiotic piece of poo poo juror too and he won't be convicted. size1one posted:We'll still have the VA. Service guarantees healthcare. Join up now! The VA will be up next after Medicare and I'm going to enjoy watching the couple wannabe fascist vets on I know on Facebook try to keep defending Trump when it happens. They'll probably blame Obama anyways. Spacebump posted:He is waiting until he is out of office. All the more reason he deserves to watch his legacy burn.
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Stallion Cabana posted:you say that like the Legislature didn't support him. The second Edwards came into power suddenly none of the Republican Legislature wanted to do anything and he had to cancel all funding to LSU to get them to do anything. When Edwards came into power there wasn't money to do anything. He had to cancel funding to LSU because there was literally no money to give them. I mean, sure, the legislature could have done stuff like raise taxes if they weren't complete republican shitheels, which they were, but by the time Edwards won the election Jindal had already sold away all the state government assets and squandered every penny possible. Really reminds me of something that happened in the early 1700s in England and just before the French Revolution in, well, France where someone new got assigned to the government position in charge of the crown's wealth to find that there was no wealth, the crown was completely broken and in horrible debt due to bad decision after bad decision by previous administrations.
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Prester Jane posted:As their malnourished eyes close for the final time and their body gives in to the long slumber they will summon the absolute final vestiges of their strength to utter the words "Its all the fault of the niggers". Man, it's a real mystery why the dems lost...a real head scratcher. (You are insane)
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tsa posted:Man, it's a real mystery why the dems lost...a real head scratcher. (You are insane) Yeah, it isn't a mystery at all, voter suppression and illegal voter role purges are the reason the Democrats lost.
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Khisanth Magus posted:Yeah, it isn't a mystery at all, voter suppression and illegal voter role purges are the reason the Democrats lost. I suspect it's why we lost Wisconsin and perhaps Michigan. This doesn't explain Pennsylvania though. Voter suppression is a huge deal that we don't discuss enough relative to other causes but it isn't the only cause.
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Lightning Knight posted:I think you're reading that wrong. He's not regurgitating what he sees on TV, he's colluding with right wing media. Which is much more worrying and dangerous. During the election, dude would spend most of his time obsessing over cable news. He's not some 7th dimensional wizard, just a really impulsive dude who cares about what people are saying about him at all times
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tsa posted:Man, it's a real mystery why the dems lost...a real head scratcher. (You are insane) he's completely correct. republicans aren't a majority in this country, and they aren't a plurality either. it is enough to support policies that will help poor republicans and their next generations down the right path. there is no need to seek their direct support on any matter, as that support is poison to the actual progressive movements throughout the united states.
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HorseRenoir posted:During the election, dude would spend most of his time obsessing over cable news. He's not some 7th dimensional wizard, just a really impulsive dude who cares about what people are saying about him at all times I think it's faulty to assume Trump is a single man force. Kellyanne Conway and Bannon understand media manipulation and collusion quite well and aren't going anywhere. He doesn't have to be a chess wizard. He hires people to do it for him. Slate: On Jesse Jackson's populist presidential run and how it serves as a roadmap for modern Democrats.
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If freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of expression, then they could have the FCC mandate that the video feed be cut off from all Democratic Party ads, and that'd technically be all right. It creates all sorts of fun scenarios, like that Asimov story where a robot has the second part of "Do not harm humans; do not allow humans to come into harm" clause removed. Then they have to find the robot before it before it figures out it can logic out "It's not my fault you were standing where I dropped that piano".
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So, ever since the election, I've been largely avoiding politics for the most part. A hypothetical question on the whole recount thing, what do you believe would happen if it is found that the votes were tampered with in favor of trump? What if it's found that due to this tampering Hillary lost? I am genuinely curious if that scenario were to occur, what would happen to the country(civil war? armed uprisings?), what would happen with Russia(since it'd be them if anyone tampering), that sort of thing. Would the Russian government rigging the American election be considered a declaration of war? What would happen if it's found that Russia did tamper with the voting machines? Just a hypothetical question, I'm curious and not saying this is actually the case.
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Khisanth Magus posted:When Edwards came into power there wasn't money to do anything. He had to cancel funding to LSU because there was literally no money to give them. I mean, sure, the legislature could have done stuff like raise taxes if they weren't complete republican shitheels, which they were, but by the time Edwards won the election Jindal had already sold away all the state government assets and squandered every penny possible. Really reminds me of something that happened in the early 1700s in England and just before the French Revolution in, well, France where someone new got assigned to the government position in charge of the crown's wealth to find that there was no wealth, the crown was completely broken and in horrible debt due to bad decision after bad decision by previous administrations. It's great because the state can't get their heads out of their collective asses enough to pass Amendment 2 so LSU can increase tuition instead of piling more and more fees and like hell the Legislature is ever going to increase tuition costs. I feel like the only 'good' thing in Louisiana is gonna crash soon and it's gonna be...interesting to say the least.
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I know it's incredibly unlikely, I'm just curious to hear theories on if it did turn out that way.
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Lightning Knight posted:I think it's faulty to assume Trump is a single man force. Kellyanne Conway and Bannon understand media manipulation and collusion quite well and aren't going anywhere. He doesn't have to be a chess wizard. He hires people to do it for him. He hires people to handle the boring parts of his lifestyle, that isn't the same as turning him into a mastermind. I don't buy the idea that there was a meeting somewhere where Trump, his top media strategists, and Fox, all agreed to make a move on flag burning at 7AM on November 29.
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That's not gonna happen, but I imagine there will be a huge poo poo storm if even one of the recounts results in a state flipping over to Hillary
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haveblue posted:He hires people to handle the boring parts of his lifestyle, that isn't the same as turning him into a mastermind. I don't buy the idea that there was a meeting somewhere where Trump, his top media strategists, and Fox, all agreed to make a move on flag burning at 7AM on November 29. Why not? All Trump had to do was put out a tweet. He's a douchey old white dude, he probably thinks flag burners are thugs or whatever. It's not that hard to pull off media collusion when all it takes nowadays is a twitter account and a short piece on your sensationalist news organization. I mean there's nothing we can do about it, but the Republicans are inarguably better at propaganda and media control than the left and it's part of why we struggle to win anything. Progressive ideas poll individually well with much of the populace and yet they still hate us because they've been sold on an anti-progressive narrative.
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Swan Oat posted:well, it won't happen, because the russian government !!!HACKING!!! enough voter machines to matter is about as likely as democrats rigging other elections by bussing people to different precincts so they can vote a million times What are you going on about and who is this a reply to?
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Captain Invictus posted:So, ever since the election, I've been largely avoiding politics for the most part. A hypothetical question on the whole recount thing, what do you believe would happen if it is found that the votes were tampered with in favor of trump? What if it's found that due to this tampering Hillary lost? I am genuinely curious if that scenario were to occur, what would happen to the country(civil war? armed uprisings?), what would happen with Russia(since it'd be them if anyone tampering), that sort of thing. Would the Russian government rigging the American election be considered a declaration of war? What would happen if it's found that Russia did tamper with the voting machines? It won't happen, but, if it did, I can see the spineless democrats giving the election to Trump anyway to help the healing. You know I'm not wrong.
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Evil Fluffy posted:All the more reason he deserves to watch his legacy burn. I imagine he is doing it this way because he treats the position with respect, unlike Trump. It'd be bad for the country if a popular active President ended his last term telling America how hosed they were during his last few months in office.
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Spacebump posted:I imagine he is doing it this way because he treats the position with respect, unlike Trump. It'd be bad for the country if a popular active President ended his last term telling America how hosed they were during his last few months in office. I kind of doubt it would matter. I'd wager a fair chunk of "people who like Obama" like him for purely superficial reasons and are ambivalent to hostile to his actual policy positions for whatever reason. Most Americans are politically illiterate and view the President as just another celebrity. The entire struggle between the far and center left means nothing to most Americans because there's no meaningful distinction between the two to most people.
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Evil Fluffy posted:All the more reason he deserves to watch his legacy burn. If you want Obama to throw a giant fit about the transfer of executive power in the US I have a monkeys paw to sell you.
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Lightning Knight posted:Why not? Because he has a long history of doing stuff reflexively, a virtually nonexistent history of holding consistent positions for any length of time, and a ton of secondhand stories about how hard it is to effectively corral him due to both of those.
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Evil Fluffy posted:All the more reason he deserves to watch his legacy burn. He has an exceptionally deep respect for the office and the responsibilities it carries. He doesn't deserve to watch his legacy burn because he's the first guy since Ike to appreciate what the role warrants and to live up to that.
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