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Note Block posted:I currently have extra of the following: Cubone for Beast Ball Carvahna (Rough Skin, no egg moves, sorry)? tyblazitar posted:I'll take that for the Minior if that's OK. They're ready to trade now by the way, going online. I'm just filling up my Avue and then I can hop on for these two trades.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Why does Smogon have such complicated ban clauses? I guess "complicated" is the wrong word, because I mean stuff like the Baton Pass clause, the OHKO ban, the evasion-raising and Moody bans, and the sleep clause. The baton pass clause is literally there because the bigshots at smogon are a bunch of whiny manbabies that can't stand things that aren't "how the game is supposed to be played". The threads for the ban discussion should be in their archives if you want to read them, that change was made shortly after X and Y launched I think. The tl;dr was that Sylveon and a couple of mechanics changes upgraded full baton pass chain teams from a terrible gimmick to an actually reasonable team comp, and rather than adapt to something new which broke the mold of generations-old archetypes, they whined and whined and whined until the rules council put it up to a vote. gently caress
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Nov 29, 2016 19:17
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Nov 29, 2016 19:20
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Blaziken386 posted:IMO - Half of the clauses are because the people who play in the smogon community are the same type of people who play "Fox Only, No Items, Final Destination" in smash
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Nov 29, 2016 19:21
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Why does Smogon have such complicated ban clauses? I guess "complicated" is the wrong word, because I mean stuff like the Baton Pass clause, the OHKO ban, the evasion-raising and Moody bans, and the sleep clause. There's definitely some sour grapes involved, but not as much as people here like to pretend. Most of the clauses are because the game becomes sorta dumb when playing at a higher skill level without them or because the game becomes heavily centralized without them. Sleep Clause insures you actually get to play the game of you want to run a team with slower pokemon. Evasion clause makes it so bulky pokemon with recovery can't just PP stall you forever effortlessly or make the game really unfun. I'm pretty indifferent to the Baton Pass clause but like, they do have evidence/stats from the ladder of baton Pass basically carrying people to absurd heights during gen 6. All and all I might not agree with every single choice, but I strongly disagree with few and support many, especially things like tiers and evasion, so I stick with it.
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Nov 29, 2016 19:23
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Since my Pokedex completion is winding down, I'm starting to get into Island Scan. My plan is to find desirable things and trade those things for other Island Scan things so I don't have to wait a month to get all of them. With that in mind, I think Togekiss is one of the best options for me today and pretty much all days, plus I wouldn't have to use up one of my Shiny Stones if I had gotten a traded Togepi/Togetic. So I'm gonna go for that.
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Nov 29, 2016 19:24
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Blaziken386 posted:IMO - Half of the clauses are because the people who play in the smogon community are the same type of people who play "Fox Only, No Items, Final Destination" in smash For the record, you can Baton Pass whatever the gently caress you want. Just be sure it's: A) Just Speed. B) Any combination of anything else except speed.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:It's weird because I totally see why people play competitive Melee, and obviously you'd want items off for that, but I just totally miss the point of why there are ridiculous smogon banlists when there's a perfectly serviceable VGC ruleset (and then they can still ban pokemon to various tiers if they want to, whatever) that's "official" or whatever. Well something being serviceable doesn't mean it's ideal, and if there's nothing stopping people from making their own why not let them. Especially since Nintendo doesn't seem to be interested in Singles.
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Nov 29, 2016 19:25
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Can I get the Modest ditto? Sure can! FC: 5129-2001-9949, IGN: Athena tyblazitar posted:I'll take that for the Minior if that's OK. They're ready to trade now by the way, going online. Senerio posted:Cubone for Beast Ball Carvahna (Rough Skin, no egg moves, sorry)? Yearp! Coming back on now, I started watching the rowlet video on repeat...
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Nov 29, 2016 19:27
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Sleep Clause wasn't purely a Smogon invention. The Stadium games actually made use of it first. They also had a Freeze clause, but Freeze is really hard to induce deliberately.
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Note Block posted:Sure can! FC: 5129-2001-9949, IGN: Athena Just waiting for a thing. I'll be on in 5-10.
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If I make it to the Pokemon world championship and I have a luck incense and use happy hour and win, do they have to pay out 4x prize money?
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Nov 29, 2016 19:28
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Note Block posted:Sure can! FC: 5129-2001-9949, IGN: Athena I'm actually not able to trade until like 6 EST. I thought I'd be able to connect to the network here but my DS isn't doing so. Can you save it? If not it's totally fine. Sorry!
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Note Block posted:Yearp! Coming back on now, I started watching the rowlet video on repeat... Connecting now.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:It's weird because I totally see why people play competitive Melee, and obviously you'd want items off for that, but I just totally miss the point of why there are ridiculous smogon banlists when there's a perfectly serviceable VGC ruleset (and then they can still ban pokemon to various tiers if they want to, whatever) that's "official" or whatever. Because VGC is doubles only
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Arrgytehpirate posted:I'm actually not able to trade until like 6 EST. I thought I'd be able to connect to the network here but my DS isn't doing so. Can you save it? If not it's totally fine. Sorry! I can save it! Just send me a PM (if you have it) when you are online and ready 
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sleep clause and evasion clause are good. also smash is more fun without items. cheers
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shes right
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Note Block posted:I currently have extra of the following: I would love a modest Eevee, if there's one with a nickname I'll take that. FC is 1075-0796-7247, 3DS name: Chiller, pkmn name: John
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Every time I remember vgc doesn't have sleep clause but does have item clause I make the Jackie Chan face
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When it comes to chaining for perfect IV Dittos, about how long should I build the chain to? Is there a point in going 40+? Is a 6 IV Ditto even possible this way, or is 4 typically the best you're going to get (I have two of these so far)?
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Ruggington posted:shes right
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Here's a question, is there any way to access your PC Box from the Festival Plaza?Chill Penguin posted:I would love a modest Eevee, if there's one with a nickname I'll take that. FC is 1075-0796-7247, 3DS name: Chiller, pkmn name: John I can name it whatever you'd like, unless you'd rather have a random nickname.
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Thank you both for the trade.
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You name it! I'm still going through the story so i don't have much to offer, unless you want like, a Litten or a female Salandit.
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Thanks for the trades!notoriousman posted:When it comes to chaining for perfect IV Dittos, about how long should I build the chain to? Is there a point in going 40+? Is a 6 IV Ditto even possible this way, or is 4 typically the best you're going to get (I have two of these so far)?
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DACK FAYDEN posted:It's weird because I totally see why people play competitive Melee, and obviously you'd want items off for that, but I just totally miss the point of why there are ridiculous smogon banlists when there's a perfectly serviceable VGC ruleset (and then they can still ban pokemon to various tiers if they want to, whatever) that's "official" or whatever. I dunno man people have had that community long before Gamefreak/Nintendo even thought to actually embrace tournaments and poo poo That said, the weird sniping and looking down the nose at VGC players I've seen (not in this thread, mind) since I've started reading about strategy and builds and everything while trying to jump into VGC 2017 is really fascinating to me. If you took every one of these at face value you'd think there's a billion players who would faceroll their way to a World Championship if they deigned to play it, which comes across to me as people in a subculture not dealing well with something that was previously underground coming into light What is a sleep clause btw? Sleep moves just disallowed straight up? Fewer turns of sleep?
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Countblanc posted:Every time I remember vgc doesn't have sleep clause but does have item clause I make the Jackie Chan face Never forget Smeargle + Dark Void. 
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DACK FAYDEN posted:It's weird because I totally see why people play competitive Melee, and obviously you'd want items off for that, but I just totally miss the point of why there are ridiculous smogon banlists when there's a perfectly serviceable VGC ruleset (and then they can still ban pokemon to various tiers if they want to, whatever) that's "official" or whatever. I think people get the wrong idea about Smogon from hearing other people talk about them. Oftentimes their tier list changes are talked about like they're edicts getting passed on the whole community, when it reality it's just one forum full of spergs who all have an idea of how they want to play the game competitively and want to play with people who agree with them. None of that appeals to me personally but I don't think it's their fault that their tier lists get brought up as much as they do outside of Smogon. It's a good resource for moveset ideas though.
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Waffles Inc. posted:I dunno man people have had that community long before Gamefreak/Nintendo even thought to actually embrace tournaments and poo poo Yeah agreed on both counts. Maybe the best players in the world ARE singles players, idk, but even if that were true there's not really anything to gain from boasting about it unless you're one of those 5-10 people. I mean I see it in other smack communities I'm a part of, it's silly
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oddium posted:sleep clause and evasion clause are good. also smash is more fun without items. cheers Both of those things are fine and have been around for a long rear end time, it's some of the other things that are hugely suspect about how Smogon operates especially since gen 5. Deified Data posted:I think people get the wrong idea about Smogon from hearing other people talk about them. Oftentimes their tier list changes are talked about like they're edicts getting passed on the whole community, when it reality it's just one forum full of spergs who all have an idea of how they want to play the game competitively and want to play with people who agree with them. None of that appeals to me personally but I don't think it's their fault that their tier lists get brought up as much as they do outside of Smogon. It's a good resource for moveset ideas though. This would be fine if it were possible to play with rules that aren't either VGC or Smogon. And when VGC is hot garbage like this past year was with its primals and legendaries and whatnot, well... Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Checking Bulbapedia, is Ice Hammer not one of Crabominable's base moves? Can he even learn it if your Crabrawler levels past 37 before it evolves (and it will)?
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The Shortest Path posted:Both of those things are fine and have been around for a long rear end time, it's some of the other things that are hugely suspect about how Smogon operates especially since gen 5. The only other community I've been a part of that's even remotely like something like Smogon or VGC is a tabletop minis game called Heroclix and it's kinda the same as the VGC, where if you look at the top 4 of every Worlds going back a few years it's some composition of the same figures just like Poke VGC Any game is going to develop a set of strategies over time--I think the degree to which the game makers/community are reactionary about imposing parity is what differs. Gamefreak clearly cares less about those sorts of things than does, say, Smogon. This generation does seem like the first one where they're prepping players within the game itself (and within the official literature--there's whole sections in the official strat guide I have about VGC Doubles battling) for VGC competition. That and creating Pokemon explicitly for doubles interactions (Passimian and Oranguru come to mind) So who knows how reactionary they'll be going forward, but there's precedent for nerfing things early and often--fighting game companies do it
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Dizz posted:Sure, I don't mind a fast trade evo. I think I'm trading with you right now? Anyway I don't have any trade evos so i can send back this Alakazam for ya e: VV Note Block I'll link with you after I finish with Dizz Chill Penguin fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Chill Penguin posted:You name it! I'm still going through the story so i don't have much to offer, unless you want like, a Litten or a female Salandit. Ok! I'm ready and online now. I don't have a Barboach, Sableye, Sandshrew, Shellder, Staryu, Vanillish, or oddly enough, Weedle. If you can trade one of those, I would appreciate it, otherwise, anything is fine!
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Deified Data posted:Checking Bulbapedia, is Ice Hammer not one of Crabominable's base moves? Can he even learn it if your Crabrawler levels past 37 before it evolves (and it will)? Via the move relearner.
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There's always been Doubles oriented pokemon, they've just generally sucked. Plusle and Minun being the poster children for this
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oddium posted:also smash is more fun without items. cheers everything else is great and I will not hear them being slandered
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LOL "Star Jones" the Staryu Thank you Chill Penguin! Ennakointi means "anticipation" in Finnish, Anticipation being the HA for Eevee.
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