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Binkenstein posted:Winston's approach is "Immigration is to blame for these problems" and then throws in a little "Fear of the Islamic Radical Terrorist" into the mix. What I was getting at is a shitton of anti-immigration stuff does exactly the same thing, but for some reason bike tory is only willing to call it out as the obvious racism it is when Somfin fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Nov 25, 2016 |
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Somfin posted:What I was getting at is a shitton of anti-immigration stuff does exactly the same thing, but for some reason bike tory is only willing to call it out as the obvious racism it is when 
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Nov 25, 2016 22:51
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Immigration is not the cause of infrastructure woes. Decades of under-investment is. You can't solve or even alleviate it by cutting back immigration. Also some areas could really benefit from increased immigration right now as they are economically and socially dying. An influx of new people, new ideas and new money is needed. But right now everything is in Auckland so more and more people are drawn there because there is gently caress all else going on in the rest of the country. The only way to fix it is with a plan and commitment from the central government to actually help.
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Nov 25, 2016 23:20
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How would not drawing down on immigration not help alleviate the housing issue in the short term? We physically don't have enough houses/living space. Period. How is bringing even more people going to help that? Bringing in new money is just going to price even more people out of the market and drive up rents since house aren't homes anymore. Someone has to step on the brake even if it is just for a moment so we can get around that corner. Poor people are paying the cost by being forced to live in ever tightening uninsulated garages, cars and streets. We pay the costs too by increased doctor visits, more people drawing on benefits, workers taking more sick days, increased crime, malnutrition, mental illness, poor education outcomes and a lesser workforce. The problem with Winston is his messaging pollutes the discussion. You don't want to even discuss it because he has a finger in it. He is asking for the mostly right thing for the wrong reasons. You're too busy raging on Winston rather than looking at what the Greens are putting forward as number of options. While we have a lot of Middle of Nowhere St, NZ, how would you get people to go there? It's the middle of nowhere for a reason. You can't expect people to move there if there is nothing for them.
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Nov 26, 2016 00:06
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Varkk posted:You can't solve or even alleviate it by cutting back immigration. Can someone rationally explain this point if view please, preferably with reference to situations outside of Auckland like Christchurch?
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Nov 26, 2016 00:28
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Well, what would be a good reason to get people down there? Currently we only have rich fucks who want to homestead.
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Nov 26, 2016 01:05
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Pararoid posted:Can someone rationally explain this point if view please, preferably with reference to situations outside of Auckland like Christchurch? The reasoning is that racists call for reduced immigration therefor reduced immigration is racist.
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Nov 26, 2016 08:00
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Taxi regulation is notorious worldwide for creating monopolies. For example in New York City only a finite number of taxis were allowed, and the medallions (the licence to run a given cab) were worth more than a million dollars each. I'm not familiar with the various regulations in New Zealand, but I understand why Uber lobbies so aggressively - they have to in the face of entrenched, inefficient monopolies that fight tooth and nail to preserve the status quo. That said of course there needs to be some regulation, but new technologies present new solutions so that old regulations may no longer be relevant or necessary. If anything they should be starting from scratch and looking to build something new that accounts for all the various providers. This would need to include a look at labour laws to ensure that the drivers are not exploited.
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Nov 27, 2016 06:27
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I propose a new policy for the Greens: leave immigration caps unchanged, but ban new immigrants from living in Auckland (also Christchurch and Wellington?) This would relieve some strain on Akl's infrastructure and increase investment in the regions while not falling into the Winston immigration trap. Downside is that it is kind of creepy and discriminatory, and that small towns generally suck if you're used to big ones. This was initially meant to be a joke proposal, but it might actually be less terrible than the arguably racist "1% immigration" policy
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Nov 27, 2016 07:38
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Sure, restricting the internal mobility of minorities is not racist...
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Nov 27, 2016 08:51
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Ignoring that guy, that'd also be one bitch to monitor. You'd have to bring back papers presentation or chipping - hardly a good look.
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Nov 27, 2016 09:21
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There's already incentives in place to motivate new migrants to live outside of the main centres but I guess they're not enough Re: taxi regulations, I follow the New Orleans news and there's been a spate of thefts there recently with people posing as Uber drivers 
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Nov 27, 2016 09:36
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Binkenstein posted:I haven't been paying attention here much lately, but holey gently caress do some MP's need to be hit with a clue by four: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/86824498/mps-miss-the-point-over-how-ridesharing-service-uber-works This is an amazing piece of PR work by Uber given what seems to have happened is that the Uber guy turned up at a Select Committee, gave the most obtuse answers possible to every question, and then capped it off by treating "but do you actually comply with the law?" as an utterly ridiculous question below his dignity.
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Nov 27, 2016 09:50
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I dunno, add incentives somehow? Some sort of tax bonus for staying out of the big cities? Seems ineffective though - if it's more profitable to just move to Akl for a job and miss out on the credit, then people will probably do just that. Ask really nicely and hope they're grateful enough to listen? I guess I'm not clear on what problems they're trying to solve. What "infrastructure" is the focus? If it's general health/education neglect, then limiting migration will be a drop in the bucket. If it's specifically Auckland's housing/road/etc infrastructure that's the problem, then cutting down on immigration might be useful, although I'm pretty sure that there will be other policies that are less discriminatory and work equally well. Also, do we have any statistics on internal migration to/from Auckland? Are immigrants actually the largest source of growth here, or is it young people from everywhere else flocking in? I'm going to forget about the regions (defined as "anywhere that isn't one of our biggest 4 or 5 cities"), as I don't think any political party really gives a poo poo about them. I personally think it's a bit of a shame that our smaller towns are slowly dying, but I'm hardly invested in them in any way. Edit: apparently there are incentives to encourage people to move out of the big cities, which don't work well. Welp
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Nov 27, 2016 09:57
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:This is an amazing piece of PR work by Uber given what seems to have happened is that the Uber guy turned up at a Select Committee, gave the most obtuse answers possible to every question, and then capped it off by treating "but do you actually comply with the law?" as an utterly ridiculous question below his dignity. Never forget that the Uber-Taxi Company battle is a slapfight between two utter, monstrous shitheads and both of them are willing to stoop to basically anything to make the other look bad.
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Nov 27, 2016 10:11
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At least the taxi companies are a known evil
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Nov 27, 2016 10:24
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There are already plenty of incentives to settle outside of main cities. In 2011 it was 5 points if you chose to settle outside of Auckland. Now it's 30. 40 if you start a business. Immigrants are people, and people go where jobs and lifestyle options are. Most immigrants will have lived in big cities, bigger than New Zealand has to offer. You don't qualify unless you're highly educated, trained, and experienced in specific fields. Low-level construction jobs are in demand, even before the recent quakes, and those are centred around urban areas too. Incentivise skilled jobs outside of cities IMO, not just for immigrants but for everyone. Build up infrastructure for mass transport, basic services, and lifestyle and entertainment for the masses. That poo poo takes time, start now. fartmanteau fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Nov 27, 2016 |
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Nov 27, 2016 19:47
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^ (agree) people also gravitate towards where people they know already are, or where they know their communities are.
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Nov 27, 2016 20:32
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fartmanteau posted:Incentivise skilled jobs outside of cities Those jobs don't exist, so it's not just about incentivising but also about investing in and developing industry (other than dairy farming I mean)
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Nov 27, 2016 22:14
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A high-speed rail backbone through the North Island would encourage people to live outside of Auckland simply by making the commute from Taupo to Auckland shorter than commuting from Te Atatu.
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Nov 27, 2016 22:33
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merry exmarx posted:At least the taxi companies are a known evil Also, at least the taxi companies are loving over their customers rather than their employees.
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Nov 27, 2016 23:32
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Oh yeah - I forgot about Uber chat. Uber's only real innovation has been skirting laws intended to protect employees and laws intended to protect customers, which is why they lobby so hard against being regulated in any form - once they're regulated then they're just another taxi company with a smart phone app. While their "disruptive" business model has done well in starting a conversation on how expensive some taxi regulations are, like most their business model is predicated on being a bad-faith employer and unsafe service provider due to the naivety of the tech-kid startup culture it came from.
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Nov 28, 2016 00:24
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ledge posted:Also, at least the taxi companies are loving over their customers rather than their employees. ehhh they're doing that too. taxi drivers don't have great protections here iirc
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Nov 28, 2016 07:00
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merry exmarx posted:ehhh they're doing that too. taxi drivers don't have great protections here iirc Note the one undeniable positive of Uber: the driver 100% always gets paid for their work.
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Ghostlight posted:A high-speed rail backbone through the North Island would encourage people to live outside of Auckland simply by making the commute from Taupo to Auckland shorter than commuting from Te Atatu. I would love that so much
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Somfin posted:Note the one undeniable positive of Uber: the driver 100% always gets paid for their work. Do they get paid as much as they would driving a real taxi though? (I don't know but I would guess not)
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bobbilljim posted:Do they get paid as much as they would driving a real taxi though? (I don't know but I would guess not) Per job, probably not as much, but the trick with Uber is there's no dispatcher politics. Dispatchers, particularly in everyone-knows-everyone Wellington, will favour certain drivers over others- taxis can be out there for hours without a single hit, basically just filling in space to make sure the brand is present at certain taxi stands. Uber is pure algorithmic distance and rider rating. Some drivers won't pick up passengers with less than a 4.5 rating, and they are allowed to make that choice. Plus, if you're picking up people during a surge, you get a shitton more than you would as a taxi. I know it sounds like I'm basically shilling for Uber here, but I've been dicked around by Wellington taxi companies enough to really get a hate-on for 'em. E: Because I wasn't clear, not as much per run, but they get waaay more runs in a night. Somfin fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Nov 29, 2016 11:03
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bobbilljim posted:Do they get paid as much as they would driving a real taxi though? (I don't know but I would guess not) Having drunkenly chatted to a fair few Uber drivers (who also happen to be taxi drivers, like most of them), the consensus is that they make a pile more money doing Uber runs.
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http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201825819/anne-tolley-defends-government%27s-handling-of-abuse-claims Kim Hill shredding Tolley this morning. Tolley: "Some of the claimants say they have received very good care..." Hill: "You mean when they weren't being raped and abused?"
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Nov 29, 2016 21:43
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Nov 29, 2016 21:47
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Ghostlight posted:A high-speed rail backbone through the North Island would encourage people to live outside of Auckland simply by making the commute from Taupo to Auckland shorter than commuting from Te Atatu. People have been saying this for years. Even a high speed rail from Hamilton to whangarei would help But the blue bloods seem to hate rail for some reason. Build more roads. Blah blah blah.
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Nov 29, 2016 21:51
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Does high speed rail even work with our current track infrastructure?
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Nov 29, 2016 22:23
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I would assume new rail networks would need to be built.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:53
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At times I feel bad for Tolley. She's like the national party dumping ground of lovely jobs.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:55
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kris_b posted:http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201825819/anne-tolley-defends-government%27s-handling-of-abuse-claims
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:
Have a look at how much the Road Transport Forum (lobby group composed of trucking companies) pays in campaign contributions and you will find the answer.
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Nov 30, 2016 00:25
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Ghostlight posted:One of my brothers was molested while in state care - albeit not in the decades involved in the panel - and after an 18 month battle to do the paperwork "properly" and get compensation to fund counselling for him we got a letter of apology and an offer of $80 to settle. gently caress Tolley - we didn't care about an apology, we wanted the state to come to the table to try and fix the problems they directly caused through their negligence. It's all fine to say he shouldn't have to relive that abuse, but that's not an excuse for doing nothing because he's living with it every single day. Jesus that's disgusting
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Robo Captain posted:Does high speed rail even work with our current track infrastructure? Nope. Our ancestors felt narrow was the way to go, too much digging.
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:Nope. Our ancestors felt narrow was the way to go, too much digging. Yeah nah she'll be right mate.
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swampland posted:Jesus that's disgusting 
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