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Inb4 we live in an irradiated hellscape. Or, more likely, all our social programs are taken way and our economy and national debt is worth it has ever been.
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1337JiveTurkey posted:Based on previous nominations, Trump will pick a SecDef who agrees with him regarding any use of nuclear weapons anyhow. Secretary of Defense, Donald Trump.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:23
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Fojar38 posted:Each new SecDef needs to be confirmed by the Senate and I don't think they'd be too convinced by Trump's "I'm going through them until I can find one that wants to nuke France" argument The "fire everyone until the acting cabinet sec is cool with an action" isn't just some idle idea. Nixon did it during the Saturday Night Massacre-- Bork was the coward who'd step up and fire the Special Prosecutor, to give you some idea of the kind of man it takes to do this kind of stuff. Having the Secretary agree is no brake on a situation if the President wants something bad enough and is willing to drat the consequences.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:24
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QuoProQuid posted:I would rather have Comey serve as Director of the FBI than give Trump another appointment to enable his kleptocracy. The country's largest law enforcement agency does not need to be in his hands. I still haven't seen any reason to think that Comey is a crazed partisan. Comey directly interfered with the election multiple times including his last-minute November Surprise bullshit with his letter to Congress. If that doesn't label him as a crazed partisan simply because he didn't indict Clinton when he knew the case would get tossed in a hurry then what would? Even his non-indictment announcement was tailored to be as negative and attack ad friendly as possible. Obama's legacy is going to be his idiocy in constantly reaching across the aisle to the party that has openly stated they hated and wanted to ruin him from the moment he won in 2008. Kubrick posted:I can understand why he felt he had to do that. If there were something in those emails, and it came out after the election, it would also look really bad. He was in a "damned if I do" "damned if I don't" situation. Still doesn't excuse the total lack of tact with which he released the info, though. The law mandated he say nothing because of the impending election. Comey is the living embodiment of why the Hatch Act exists and why violating it should be a felony with mandatory prison time, or in cases like his capital punishment. He's not as stupid as some posters in this thread want to believe and he knew full well that he could wait a week before saying anything, if anything every had to be said. As we now can see, he never had any reason to say anything because the investigation he wrote about was the most absurd six degrees of kevin bacon bullshit possible but that didn't matter because lies spread much quicker than the truth and a last second hit like his letter is not something you can recover from in time. Comey did as much as he thought he could get away with to influence the election and it absolutely helped damage Clinton since millions of idiots will always see him as having been "above the fray" and so on.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:26
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Fojar38 posted:Does Trump even have an opinion on the use of nuclear weapons He's in favor of it.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:29
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Fojar38 posted:Does Trump even have an opinion on the use of nuclear weapons He asked intelligence officials "We have them, so why don't we use them?" 3 times in one meeting.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:29
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Fojar38 posted:Does Trump even have an opinion on the use of nuclear weapons I believe his stated position during the campaign in regards to the middle east was "nuke em till they glow".
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Drewjitsu posted:Sorry to derail this slightly, but what is the issue with derschowitz? I just know of him as an excellent criminal defence lawyer. He's AIPAC personified for one thing. He has had a very public feud with Norman Finkelstein over Israel and it's treatment of Palestinians. Dershowitz lobbied to get Finkelstein's tenure denied at DePaul University; he was ultimately successful.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:31
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gregday posted:He asked intelligence officials "We have them, so why don't we use them?" 3 times in one meeting. I am so excited for the next four years.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:32
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Madkal posted:While I can understand the criticism of Hilary's more hawkish nature, I could never get over the idea of people voting against her seeing as the alternative was some guy who said in a debate the Russia should be allowed to bomb as many civilians as they want, and that peace with Iran should never happen. I do think of the many reasons why Clinton lost, including poor messaging, poor strategy, lack of charisma, voter suppression, low voter turnout, etc., it's worth remembering that misogyny is probably a bigger one than expected. I don't think that's the sole reason, but I do think it was the straw that broke the camel's back for some voters.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:33
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Khisanth Magus posted:I believe his stated position during the campaign in regards to the middle east was "nuke em till they glow". Wasn't that Cruz? Or was he just plain-old carpet bombing?
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Nov 29, 2016 22:34
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm not sure you've convinced me that Trump's JD and the CIA are less of a haven of right wing crackpots than the FBI. The CIA acts against foreigners. Evil Fluffy posted:Comey directly interfered with the election multiple times including his last-minute November Surprise bullshit with his letter to Congress. If that doesn't label him as a crazed partisan simply because he didn't indict Clinton when he knew the case would get tossed in a hurry then what would? Even his non-indictment announcement was tailored to be as negative and attack ad friendly as possible. Obama's legacy is going to be his idiocy in constantly reaching across the aisle to the party that has openly stated they hated and wanted to ruin him from the moment he won in 2008.
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The thing I keep in mind about misogyny, is that while saying "stop acting like a black person" would never be even tolerated in "polite society", "stop acting like a girl" still is. E: OK, the first one is out the window now, too, but still.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:36
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gregday posted:He asked intelligence officials "We have them, so why don't we use them?" 3 times in one meeting. Eh, that was one of those uncorroborated, "an anonymous source says..." type quotes. The real danger of Trump is that we have no clue what his actual honest to god opinion is on anything. Or if he even has one.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:36
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gregday posted:He asked intelligence officials "We have them, so why don't we use them?" 3 times in one meeting. Our soldiers can't just let the Iranians taunt them! Blow 'em out of the water. -not a warmongering insecure doofus If we can't find them, they've got relatives. We can go after the families of suspected terrorists! -not a horrifying murderer in chief
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Nov 29, 2016 22:37
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah definitely imprison COmey under it along with any FBI member who leaked. The intention should be to make government work for us and make the right fear their thoughts. Calling this poo poo out is what earned this red title. Literally supporting FBI electoral interference because at least he took out that bitch
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Nov 29, 2016 22:38
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foobardog posted:The thing I keep in mind about misogyny, is that while saying "stop acting like a black person" would never be even tolerated in "polite society", "stop acting like a girl" still is. Nobody took me seriously back during the primaries when I said nobody would've voted for Sanders if Clinton had worn a false mustache.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:39
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zegermans posted:Why, they lost to a loser, making them double losers. Nah, "they" had the better candidate lose to internal party collusion which, later exposed, also helped to seal the Democrats defeat in the general, so yes, some smug is warranted. The irony of the DNC colluding in Hillary's nomination only for her to lose to the least qualified candidate in American history is pretty loving rich, imo
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Guy Goodbody posted:Nobody took me seriously back during the primaries when I said nobody would've voted for Sanders if Clinton had worn a false mustache. Clinton derangement while semi-justified is super real.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:41
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a shameful boehner posted:Nah, "they" had the better candidate lose to internal party collusion which, later exposed, also helped to seal the Democrats defeat in the general, so yes, some smug is warranted. its pretty amazing that hillary was able to fake 3.5 million votes in the primary only to lose by 100k votes in the general
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a shameful boehner posted:Nah, "they" had the better candidate lose to internal party collusion which, later exposed, also helped to seal the Democrats defeat in the general, so yes, some smug is warranted. No one colluded against Bernie you dope.
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a shameful boehner posted:Nah, "they" had the better candidate lose to internal party collusion Oh ok smug about being intentionally ignorant.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:44
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Bip Roberts posted:No one colluded against Bernie you dope. Din't Clinton get some of the debate questions beforehand?
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^^ Yes, Donna Brazile leaked her debate questions, which is loving ludicrous for a candidate as prepared as HillaryBip Roberts posted:No one colluded against Bernie you dope. i mean do you want me to quote WaPo, the NYT, Rolling Stone, the Guardian, or
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zegermans posted:Calling this poo poo out is what earned this red title. Literally supporting FBI electoral interference because at least he took out that bitch Well the right has showed its thoughts are about destroying democracy, until they can say all they want is lower taxes and none of this voter fraud bullshit plus racist bullshit they should be watched and made to fear.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:46
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a shameful boehner posted:i mean do you want me to quote WaPo, the NYT, Rolling Stone, the Guardian, or yes please, i would like to see how low your media comprehension is
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Nov 29, 2016 22:46
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Oh, sorry, I forgot the definition of collusion is an email literally stating "we're literally colluding against Bernie Sanders to give the nomination to Hillary", instead of the extensive evidence of the party's officials working to undermine his campaign and highlight his faith as a negative point lmao
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Nov 29, 2016 22:49
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poo poo, is the "no primary talk" rule just for C-SPAM, or does it apply in D&D too?
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Hollismason posted:I'm tempted to make one myself. I'd appreciate it if someone did. It's a complex topic where we'll be getting a lot of new information, and this thread's getting pretty illegible.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:49
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I see these fires blazing in Tennessee and can't help but want to ask anyone mentioning it what they want anyone to do about. "You want the government to help you? That's funny."
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The real proof from 2016 is there is no vast Clinton Conspiracy. The Clintons don't have fingers in every pie, able to control and manipulate to their whim. Even Trump can't keep up his Vince Foster troll anymore, it doesn't outrage since it is so patently wrong.
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Part of me wants there to be as close to a nuclear outbreak as possible without missiles flying so people realize what the gently caress they just let happen and try their best to fix it. Or they just, y'know, let the missiles fly and end us all because we loving deserve it. I don't think Trump and his Mafiosos will have the same temper as Kennedy's administration during the Missile Crisis
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a shameful boehner posted:Oh, sorry, I forgot the definition of collusion is an email literally stating "we're literally colluding against Bernie Sanders to give the nomination to Hillary", instead of the extensive evidence of the party's officials working to undermine his campaign and highlight his faith as a negative point lmao yeah about as low as i expected tbh bernie cannot fail, he can only be failed
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Evil Fluffy posted:Comey directly interfered with the election multiple times including his last-minute November Surprise bullshit with his letter to Congress. If that doesn't label him as a crazed partisan simply because he didn't indict Clinton when he knew the case would get tossed in a hurry then what would? Even his non-indictment announcement was tailored to be as negative and attack ad friendly as possible. Obama's legacy is going to be his idiocy in constantly reaching across the aisle to the party that has openly stated they hated and wanted to ruin him from the moment he won in 2008. it doesnt label him as a crazed partisan because james comey is known for bucking political norms and asserting his independence. it is one of the reasons that obama nominated him. while comey was extremely careless in his handling of a very sensitive investigation, there is no evidence that he intentionally acted in an effort to influence the election in some way. the election is lost. i would rather have comey, who is very flawed but demonstrates some reluctance to serve as a lapdog, than whoever trump would put in his place. edit: also, holy poo poo, i missed you debating capital punishment for the director of the fbi. calm down. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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a shameful boehner posted:Oh, sorry, I forgot the definition of collusion is an email literally stating "we're literally colluding against Bernie Sanders to give the nomination to Hillary", instead of the extensive evidence of the party's officials working to undermine his campaign and highlight his faith as a negative point lmao Some internal emails asked if they thought that'd be a vulnerability for him. It was never made public until disclosed by Russian intelligence. Also they said some mean things about him, privately, after he refused to condemn a troupe of his supporters that overslept, tried to yell their way into getting extra caucus votes, and couldn't stop yelling "oval office" at a sitting female senator on her way out the door.
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1337JiveTurkey posted:He's in favor of it. gregday posted:He asked intelligence officials "We have them, so why don't we use them?" 3 times in one meeting. Can I get sources for these? Khisanth Magus posted:I believe his stated position during the campaign in regards to the middle east was "nuke em till they glow". That was Ted Cruz and he didn't mention nukes.
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Spaced God posted:Or they just, y'know, let the missiles fly and end us all because we loving deserve it. Speak for yourself, pal
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TheBigAristotle posted:Wasn't that Zodiac Killer? Or was he just plain-old carpet bombing? Zodiac Killer asked "Does sand glow?" Also my crazy idea to make sure politicians know DONT USES NUKES is that every few years most of the world leaders(and all the nuclear powers) go to the Trinty Site and experience a live demo of a MOBA(or a "small" nuke) at the right distance to lose their sight and hearing , and get tossed around by the winds. Maybe Donnie and Zodiac Killer can get closer and get a nice "tan"/flashburn.
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Anyway it's water under a bridge in New Jersey at this point. How about that latest Trump tweet and the upcoming devastation of our healthcare system and regulatory environment? Lookin' good! I read something yesterday that we're now basically locked into 10+ feet of sea level rise, possibly more, depending on how quickly the Antarctic/Greenland ice sheets melt. It's gonna be a terrifying next 50 years.
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PhazonLink posted:Zodiac Killer asked "Does sand glow?" What the gently caress, dude?
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