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a shameful boehner posted:^^ Yes, Donna Brazile leaked her debate questions, which is loving ludicrous for a candidate as prepared as Hillary Trump also had debate info leaked to him by Fox News. Megyn Kelly revealed it in her book.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Din't Clinton get some of the debate questions beforehand? Against Trump, not against Sanders (as far as I know)
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Nov 29, 2016 22:55
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Spacebump posted:Trump also had debate info leaked to him by Fox News. Megyn Kelly revealed it in her book. Haven't heard of that before, more on it please?
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Nov 29, 2016 22:55
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By the way Congress or anyone in his cabinet or the VP could at any time invoke section 4 of the 25th amendment if Trump ordered an illegal or unnecessary nuclear strike and ignore him and it is in fact illegal for government officials (which would include a significant portion of the chain of command) to comply with an illegal order even if it comes directly from the executive.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:56
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Fojar38 posted:Can I get sources for these? He didn't specify nukes but everyone knows what "make sand glow" means.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:56
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PhazonLink posted:Zodiac Killer asked "Does sand glow?" Seek help.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:57
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I always liked the idea of having the nuke codes be implanted in an attendant, so the president has to literally kill and cut out their guts to get them, so he knows the gravity of what he's doing.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:57
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Fojar38 posted:By the way Congress or anyone in his cabinet or the VP could at any time invoke section 4 of the 25th amendment if Trump ordered an illegal or unnecessary nuclear strike and ignore him and it is in fact illegal for government officials to comply with an illegal order even if it comes directly from the executive. Not according to the Wikipedia Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked.[24] It allows the Vice President, together with a majority of either "the principal officers of the executive departments" (i.e., the Cabinet) or of "such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President disabled by submitting a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. As with Section 3, the Vice President would become Acting President.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:58
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botany posted:Haven't heard of that before, more on it please? Here are two links on the topic. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/305534-megyn-kelly-trump-got-debate-question-in-advance http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/presidential/Did-Trump-get-a-debate-question-in-advance-Megyn-Kelly-suggests-so-in-memoir.html
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Guy Goodbody posted:Not according to the Wikipedia Uh, yeah? "The President ordered an unnecessary nuclear strike" would be grounds to declare the President disabled.
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Spaced God posted:Part of me wants there to be as close to a nuclear outbreak as possible without missiles flying so people realize what the gently caress they just let happen and try their best to fix it. If what happened to Stanislav Petrov happened in the US, we'd be arguing over supporting the cockroaches versus the rats before we all croak from year 33 of nuclear winter.
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zegermans posted:I always liked the idea of having the nuke codes be implanted in an attendant, so the president has to literally kill and cut out their guts to get them, so he knows the gravity of what he's doing. You've always liked the idea? So you didn't come up with that one, you heard that somewhere and filed it away for future nuclear policy debates?
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Nov 29, 2016 22:59
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:Secretary of Defense, Donald Trump. More like political newcomer Waldamir Poutine (who speaks with a funny eastern European accent).
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Nov 29, 2016 22:59
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Fojar38 posted:Can I get sources for these? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCHQPCXbt1w
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Guy Goodbody posted:You've always liked the idea? So you didn't come up with that one, you heard that somewhere and filed it away for future nuclear policy debates? I thought that was a well known idea. Anyway what are the chances that US/Russia cooperation leads to the use of tactical nukes?
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Nov 29, 2016 22:59
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Fojar38 posted:Uh, yeah? "The President ordered an unnecessary nuclear strike" would be grounds to declare the President disabled. Ok, take a second go at reading that paragraph, and see if you can spot the part that disagrees with your assertion Fojar38 posted:By the way Congress or anyone in his cabinet or the VP could at any time invoke section 4 of the 25th Hint 1: your use of the word "or"
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Nov 29, 2016 23:01
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No President has ever completely and totally 100% ruled out using nukes in Europe and they'd be idiots to do so. The willingness to use nukes if forced has been a key ingredient of US foreign policy since WWII.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:00
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botany posted:Haven't heard of that before, more on it please? He also bribed members of the media for positive coverage.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:03
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Guy Goodbody posted:Ok, take a second go at reading that paragraph, and see if you can spot the part that disagrees with your assertion Still not seeing it. Declaring the President disabled is entirely at the discretion of the VP and either a majority of the cabinet or whoever Congress wants it to be according to your wikipedia quote. Are we moving on to "literally the entire GOP is full of madmen who would nuke France if they could?"
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Nov 29, 2016 23:03
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Guy Goodbody posted:You've always liked the idea? So you didn't come up with that one, you heard that somewhere and filed it away for future nuclear policy debates? It's from this. quote:My suggestion was quite simple: Put that needed code number in a little capsule, and then implant that capsule right next to the heart of a volunteer. The volunteer would carry with him a big, heavy butcher knife as he accompanied the President. If ever the President wanted to fire nuclear weapons, the only way he could do so would be for him first, with his own hands, to kill one human being. The President says, “George, I’m sorry but tens of millions must die.” He has to look at someone and realize what death is—what an innocent death is. Blood on the White House carpet. It’s reality brought home.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:04
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Fojar38 posted:Still not seeing it. Declaring the President disabled is entirely at the discretion of the VP and either a majority of the cabinet or whoever Congress wants it to be according to your wikipedia quote. Are we moving on to "literally the entire GOP is full of madmen who would nuke France if they could?" Ok, then you need to go back and read your post Fojar38 posted:By the way Congress or anyone in his cabinet or the VP It's the VP and a majority of the Cabinet. Not the VP or anyone in his cabinet or congress.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:05
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Remember this guy? https://twitter.com/yashar/status/802213440513310720 https://twitter.com/nationalpost/status/803685412673753088
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Nov 29, 2016 23:05
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No Pants posted:It's from this. Stealing a South Park joke. Put it in the daughter Donnie wants to gently caress.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:06
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Guy Goodbody posted:Ok, then you need to go back and read your post or "such other body as Congress may by law provide." Like most things in the US government, Congress holds the most power according to this constitutional amendment. Congress could say that the VP plus his Book Club qualify if they want.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:07
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That guy should have been removed from the plane and detained.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:08
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zegermans posted:I always liked the idea of having the nuke codes be implanted in an attendant, so the president has to literally kill and cut out their guts to get them, so he knows the gravity of what he's doing. Have Harkonnen-style heart plugs with the launch codes written on the inside of the plug flap. The attendants will be hired from the Chosen Deplorables, truly the greatest honor.
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Fojar38 posted:Still not seeing it. Declaring the President disabled is entirely at the discretion of the VP and either a majority of the cabinet or whoever Congress wants it to be according to your wikipedia quote. Are we moving on to "literally the entire GOP is full of madmen who would nuke France if they could?" I hate these stupid apocalyptic scenarios, but it doesn't seem like you could stop a determined president by declaring them disabled. I mean, how quickly can you go from the president ordering an attack to its actual execution? Is it enough time for the VP and cabinet to effectively pull off a coup?
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https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/803688010327867392 RIP my blood pressure
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Paradoxish posted:I hate these stupid apocalyptic scenarios, but it doesn't seem like you could stop a determined president by declaring them disabled. I mean, how quickly can you go from the president ordering an attack to its actual execution? Is it enough time for the VP and cabinet to effectively pull off a coup? The Secretary of Defense has to confirm it. Now supposed that the Secretary of Defense is also insane; there's still a chain of command past those two consisting of various air bases, command and control nodes, and other launch sites and platforms. Anyone in the chain of command, especially higher ups, upon receiving the order would go "huh I'm getting this order even though we're at DEFCON 5 and the targets are all in Mexico. This is a really suspicious order I'd better confirm it a few times" at which point panicked White House officials will have contacted Pence and informed him that the POTUS is off his rocker and he needs to invoke the 25th amendment right loving now Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Nov 29, 2016 23:13
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Incase you want to know how wet and sloppy a blowjob the health industry is getting check out UNH, AET, ANTH, CI and HUM. They are up 10-25% since the election. They are up 5+% since Prices announce.
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Fojar38 posted:or "such other body as Congress may by law provide." Like most things in the US government, Congress holds the most power according to this constitutional amendment. Congress could say that the VP plus his Book Club qualify if they want. Has Congress done that? I'm pretty sure they have not. As it stands now, the only people who can declare the president disabled is the VP and a majority of the Cabinet. Which they do by sending a letter to congress. The Secretary of Housing and Urban Development can't just whip out his cabinet badge and yell "I declare you disabled" and Trump, his hand paused mid-descent towards the nuclear button, can only respond, "curses, I've been foiled"! Which is what you were implying
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Nov 29, 2016 23:12
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That passsive-agressive sniping from Kellyanne will be a lot of fun to watch.
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Ego-bot posted:Remember this guy?
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Guy Goodbody posted:Has Congress done that? I'm pretty sure they have not. As it stands now, the only people who can declare the president disabled is the VP and a majority of the Cabinet. Which they do by sending a letter to congress. lol you think that there is a literal big red button in the Oval Office that the President presses that instantly launches all nukes.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:14
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Fojar38 posted:The Secretary of Defense has to confirm it. Now supposed that the Secretary of Defense is also insane; there's still a chain of command past those two consisting of various air bases, command and control nodes, and other launch sites and platforms. Anyone in the chain of command, especially higher ups, upon going "huh I'm getting this order even though we're at DEFCON 5 and the targets are all in Mexico. This is a really suspicious order I'd better confirm it a few times" at which point panicked White House officials will have contacted Pence and informed him that the POTUS is off his rocker and he needs to invoke the 25th amendment right loving now The Secretary of Defense technically only has the authority to confirm that the order actually came from the President.
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Khisanth Magus posted:I'm kind of curious where the actual jobs for kilroy's communism plan of "force all businesses to have half their board of directors made up of ordinary workers," so that the poor little rural shitheads can be treated with respect, are going to come from. The problem in the rust belt and similar areas is that there are no employers. They left. As for where the jobs come from, this isn't meant to be a job creation measure but rather a way for existing workers to have a bit more leverage on their employers so they aren't treated like poo poo and humiliated on a daily basis.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:16
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Guy Goodbody posted:The Secretary of Defense technically only has the authority to confirm that the order actually came from the President. And can also kick down Pences door and say "25th amendment now." Even if he can't directly veto it (which we don't know since this entire scenario is totally hypothetical) he can inform the people who can.
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Fojar38 posted:lol you think that there is a literal big red button in the Oval Office that the President presses that instantly launches all nukes. it's really huge and hasn't been used in ages, so there's at least the hope that trump won't be fit enough to swing the presidential sledgehammer hard enough to break through the rust and really commence the global hellfire initiative
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MacheteZombie posted:That guy should have been removed from the plane and detained. ... Oh wait. Remember when an Arab guy was kicked off a plane for doing math?
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Venuz Patrol posted:it's really huge and hasn't been used in ages, so there's at least the hope that trump won't be fit enough to swing the presidential sledgehammer hard enough to break through the rust and really commence the global hellfire initiative The world saved by the fact that his tiny hands can't bring enough pressure to bear to depress the button entirely
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