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Metapod posted:No they chose the player that filled a more important role After watching the Mavs this season, I now know buckets are more important than defense.
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Spacebump posted:After watching the Mavs this season, I now know buckets are more important than defense. That's the reason that there is no Doug McDefense
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Nov 29, 2016 23:01
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Paul Zuvella posted:They gambled on Ibaka being a better player than Harden and they gambled wrong. I think the gamble was that Ibaka was the only real defensive stopper (they had Perk) and they had a surplus of gifted and talented scorers. They maxed Ibaka, then offered Harden 3mil less than max. Iirc, and I think I do. Also, Harden was totally fine with running herd on 2nd team defenses.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:03
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Harden wanted a Max from OKC, which is fine and what he deserved but he wasn't willing to take any pay cut.Spacebump posted:*Without going into luxury tax. In fairness, every team in the league that wasn't run by a Russian oligarch made moves to avoid the tax that involved making their team worse, including a Heat team coming off a championship. I think OKC could have tried to be more creative with their budgeting but they also really thought Perkins was an important piece.... I dunno, I can't really blame them for not paying the most money any team ever paid in luxury tax ever, and Serge was probably more important to them than Harden was. It's not like Harden would have had a 30+% usage on the Thunder unless you wanted to take shots away from Kevin Durant. I do think you can make an argument they traded him too soon and for not enough. Tae posted:No one remembers when the Rockets were the 2nd seed with no Dwight and had like a top 10 defense? In 14-15 they still had Dwight for half the games and were WAY better defensively and offensively with him than when they were missing him. Had they not had him for those games they probably would have dipped to below average defensively. Anderson looks real bad so far this year and Eric Gordon is not very good either. Capella is a beast but I think a lot of that is because of Harden. a 31 year old Trevor Ariza has the 2nd highest winshare total on that team. That team wins 20 games this year if Harden isn't on it. OKC is not much better without Westbrook but I'd still rather have them.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:09
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Cool Buff Man posted:rename Tae to Tae Himself Rename me to There set Pap his own self.
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drat is Trevor Ariza 31 already, how time flies Actually we're getting Good Ariza this year. He's hitting 40% which he does every 4 years or something, I can't figure out his schedule.
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Mr. Mambold posted:They maxed Ibaka Ibaka did not take the max, he took 12 mil a year which was like 10 mil over the life of the contract under the max.
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predicto posted:Cmon son. Thats almost as good as my favorite trade that almost happened: In 1984, the Blazers we're desperate for a center and almost traded the #2 pick and their first rounder from the previous year for the reigning ROY, Ralph Sampson. So we very nearly had a reality where Jordan, Clyde Drexler and Hakeem won a dozen titles in the 80s and 90s. EDIT: The other thing that people forget about the whole Ibaka vs Harden thing is that the Thunder could have just amnestied Perkins, and they would have stayed below the luxury tax even after extending both of them. The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Nov 29, 2016 23:16
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Let's make this flat circle argument clear cut as possible: -What they should have done is amnesty perk and maxed out barqs -They didn't amnesty perk because perk was the big brother of the team. He held everyone in the locker room accountable and everyone listened. That's very important for a young team to have as they go through their ups and downs -If they waited they could have gotten more but didn't and pretty much ended up with adams and abrines for Harden. Obviously not a good trade on paper but I think adams will progress to the point where it doesn't seem as bad as every makes it out to be (disclaimer I love adams) -There are a things with the cap that couldn't be predicted which makes the decision worse in hindsight
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Nov 29, 2016 23:19
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Metapod posted:No they chose the player that filled a more important role Fat lot of good that did them. It's amazing people will still defend the Harden trade even knowing what we know now.
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Lockback posted:Ibaka did not take the max, he took 12 mil a year which was like 10 mil over the life of the contract under the max. Ah, ok. So basically they wanted to trim Harden himself from a straight out max the same way, then, right?
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Nov 29, 2016 23:25
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I just remembered that Brooks used to post up Perk once or twice a game
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Mr. Mambold posted:Rename me to There set Pap his own self. Seconded, myself. chunkles posted:I just remembered that Brooks used to post up Perk once or twice a game Gotta keep the big unhappy looking man actually happy
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Don't know if this was posted by Klay Thompson makes the best paper airplanes on the west coast  http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/11/29...nference-video/
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Lockback posted:Harden wanted a Max from OKC, which is fine and what he deserved but he wasn't willing to take any pay cut. I was pretty sure he said he was willing to take like $56m to be a team player. So like $1m a season difference. In other words OKC chose to pay Ryan Gomes over Harden.
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Super Jay Mann posted:Fat lot of good that did them. Sorry for trying to show people Presti's perspective rather than yell about how I would do things differently
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Nov 29, 2016 23:42
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Grizz are working out Kendall Marshall and some other people for PG. Give Kendall a shot
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Well you know nick, Mario Chalmers is available His Achilles is still absolutely borked. But I agree and wish he were healthy. If they bring him back I'll buy his jersey
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Nov 29, 2016 23:52
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Paul Zuvella posted:They gambled on Ibaka being a better player than Harden and they gambled wrong. An NBA champion, most likely.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:58
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It's crazy that in the span of a decade Cuban let Steve Nash and Tyson Chandler leave yet neither was the worst move during that timespan.
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Oh and /vc/ is out too. drat
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Nov 30, 2016 00:02
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Mr. Mambold posted:Ah, ok. So basically they wanted to trim Harden himself from a straight out max the same way, then, right? I remember reading about it at the time, the money was a big thing. However we cannot overlook that many people thought Harden and Westbrook could not coexist on the same team. Yes it was absolutely a mistake not to sign him but i thought he would have still been traded, just at a later time, for much better players.
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Nov 30, 2016 00:01
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They got Steven Adams out of it so not a disaster. If one of those wings would have hit it would have been a fine trade. Harden and Westbrook were not going to coexist .imo.
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Nov 30, 2016 00:03
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Signing the biggest contract in NBA history and immediately getting injured is some good 2002 NBA stuff
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I've never heard the term "barqs" used to describe James Harden until the last page of this thread, and even contextually I'm barely understanding why Metapod is calling him that.
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Libertine posted:I've never heard the term "barqs" used to describe James Harden until the last page of this thread, and even contextually I'm barely understanding why Metapod is calling him that. Root beer
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Metapod posted:Let's make this flat circle argument clear cut as possible: Anyone who wasn't around for the trade should just print this out and review it whenever it comes up because it captures the situation. Also, Harden came off a Finals performance where he completely stunk up the floor (not a reason to trade him, but drat he was bad). I would have liked them to keep Harden another year not for better players, but to take another shot at a title run.
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Nov 30, 2016 00:14
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Libertine posted:I've never heard the term "barqs" used to describe James Harden until the last page of this thread, and even contextually I'm barely understanding why Metapod is calling him that. He is an old root beer barrel and has bite. Great nickname. https://twitter.com/dallasmavs/status/803372914032545792
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Nov 30, 2016 00:13
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I don't know why people say Harden and Westbrook couldn't coexist when Harden has said he was fine coming off the bench and that trio went to the Finals when none of them were older than 25
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Oh I get to see cousins tomorrow He's probably going to try and power dunk embiid
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Libertine posted:I've never heard the term "barqs" used to describe James Harden until the last page of this thread, and even contextually I'm barely understanding why Metapod is calling him that. He's a big root beer barrel You could call him A&W but that would confusing due to Andrew Wiggins. You could call him Hank but that would only parse for a very few upmarket root beer conniseurs. He's that old dick touching rotund slatted, absoultely cooped and staked rb barrel Jim James HArdman
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Libertine posted:I've never heard the term "barqs" used to describe James Harden until the last page of this thread, and even contextually I'm barely understanding why Metapod is calling him that. Brolander called Harden a root beer barrel once in a gdt last April or March and I find the nickname hilarious
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Dejan Bimble posted:He's a big root beer barrel Don't forget he sleep walks
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Jim "The Barqs Rootbeer Barrel Man" Harden E: NickRoweFillea posted:Don't forget he sleep walks Jim "The Sleepwalking Dick-Toucher Barqs Rootbeer Barrel Man" Harden
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sometimes I think of "the old sleep walking dick toucher jim harden" and just laugh for like a minute
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Dick touchers and meat checkers
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Shear Modulus posted:The OKC owners were cheap and dumb and Morey lucked out and gained the whiz kid rep he's been coasting on since. Also criminal and suicidal
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chunkles posted:sometimes I think of "the old sleep walking dick toucher jim harden" and just laugh for like a minute I think I actually have that post screencapped because it makes me laugh E. I do but Pocketgur is being weird and crashing so have this instead, from Panic Room 
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Also we call him a dick toucher because Jim Harden's go-to move is a pawing push off into the dick area of the opponent
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