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lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

The Stasi museum in their old office block is fantastic and well worth a visit.

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MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese
Crossposted from Grey Hunter's (second) War in the Pacific Let's Play after a major IJN victory:

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

This loving sword.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Some Belgian officer either was a history hipster or a Final Fantasy fan way before any of us.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

chitoryu12 posted:

I've actually started to forget sometimes that it's not really called a Gavin.

I sometimes call tanks barrels for probably similar reasons. You see it called that often enough that you just accept it.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


I got into the habit of saying Gavin because it would drive the dudes on this other forum absolutely nuts because they were so deeply invested in the self-image of being serious military technology enthusiasts who read the good, smart amateur military analyst blogs rather than the bad, silly ones. Then I decided to just stop going there because it seemed like a waste of time and also I guess because they were all Nazis but y'know.


Someone did not want to have to wait to be driven closer before being able to hit them with his sword.

aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Nov 29, 2016

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

aphid_licker posted:

I got into the habit of saying Gavin because it would drive the dudes on this other forum absolutely nuts because they were so deeply invested in the self-image of being serious military technology enthusiasts who read the good, smart amateur military analyst blogs rather than the bad, silly ones. Then I decided to just stop going there because it seemed like a waste of time and also I guess because they were all Nazis but y'know.

I desperately need someone to find that WWII hex and counter game where the SS pieces were all hot pink. I need those wehraboo reactions.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

MikeCrotch posted:

I desperately need someone to find that WWII hex and counter game where the SS pieces were all hot pink. I need those wehraboo reactions.
oh christ yes

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
Hot pink was a real manly colour in the 19th century, now excuse me I am going to be a smug arse and bestraddle a map of a continent.

aphid_licker posted:

Someone did not want to have to wait to be driven closer before being able to hit them with his sword.

This sword was the real reason why the Dutch never reclaimed Belgium.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

SeanBeansShako posted:

Hot pink was a real manly colour in the 19th century
you probably couldn't have achieved hot pink in the 17th century, but pink in general was associated with the Hapsburgs then since it was the paler form of red, so i've seen officers' sashes of pink in paintings (most notably surrender of breda)

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

MikeCrotch posted:

I desperately need someone to find that WWII hex and counter game where the SS pieces were all hot pink. I need those wehraboo reactions.

Winter Thunder has purple-ish SS counters.

As for pink, the only thing I can find are "Berserk Counter for SS units in Cross of Iron" :shrug:




aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


If alcohol never happens, like idk, our brain chemistry is slightly different and it does nothing for us, what would soldiers outside the places where weed or opium grows be getting hosed up on? It probably wouldn't be fly agaric, right?

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

aphid_licker posted:

If alcohol never happens, like idk, our brain chemistry is slightly different and it does nothing for us, what would soldiers outside the places where weed or opium grows be getting hosed up on? It probably wouldn't be fly agaric, right?
before we make the modern drugs, the same drat things they were getting hosed up on already only they used the word "medicine" for it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychoactive_plants

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!
I was reading about film Henry V, produced in Britain during WW2 and released in 1944, and I'm feeling a little bummed that they didn't do blooper reels back then because this would have been good:

trivia posted:

The filming of a battle scene was stopped in order for the company to watch while overhead a group of British fighters attacked a formation of German bombers on their way to bomb London. When the real battle passed out of sight, the movie battle resumed filming.

Most of the battle scenes were therefore shot in Ireland so that a gathering of knights at Agincourt wouldn't draw the attention of Stuka pilots, but also because it was hard to find suitable extras in the UK. Another problem rose from material shortages, so chain mails were actually knitted gray wool and costumes were made from scraps of fabric. Despite of these measures it was the most expensive British movie ever.

And again Winny has to micromanage everything! :argh:

quote:

The most significant cuts to the text - the ones which generally provoke criticism at Henry as a king - were reputedly made at Winston Churchill's request.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

HEY GAL posted:

you probably couldn't have achieved hot pink in the 17th century, but pink in general was associated with the Hapsburgs then since it was the paler form of red, so i've seen officers' sashes of pink in paintings (most notably surrender of breda)

Also Louis XIV's famous fabulous red schoolgirl heels.

What is a Gavin, also?

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

OwlFancier posted:

Also Louis XIV's famous fabulous red schoolgirl heels.

What is a Gavin, also?

Some crazy old man thought that M113 is the bestest armoured personnel carrier ever and was deeply offended when the US Army started replacing it with the wheeled Stryker family. He then decided that because Stryker is named after a general, M113 is at a disadvantage for having no namesake and hence M113 General Gavin was born. It's become a kind of shibboleth now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Rr03hqDec

Nenonen fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Nov 29, 2016

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013


Soo... IRL that's a Sheridan?

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

OwlFancier posted:

Soo... IRL that's a Sheridan?

Sorry, I amended my post, see above.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?



Is this some strange parody or is it supposed to be serious? Because using a plastic model AeroGavin "landing" on beige carpet with a slideshow of tangentially related pictures/quotes to make a point seems too stupid to be taken seriously but then again we're talking about the Gavin.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I still kind of maintain that a tank which flies is fairly well encapsulated by the Sheridan given that you can chuck it out the back of a flying C130, or airlift it with a helicopter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgg3iRaVnbw

M113s are cool though, it's a literal crate full of infantry.

Zamboni Apocalypse
Dec 29, 2009

OwlFancier posted:

M113s are cool though, it's a literal crate full of infantry spam in a can.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Dude who is going to berlin:

Check out Hohenschönhausen museum. It's a building that was used by the NKVD as a prison after the war and then turned over to the Stasi. It's maintained as it was in the 80s and is loving mental. This is the place you ended up if a van labeled "fish delivery" black bagged you ooff the street.

If you speak German they have tours by inmates. If not they have also good tours by English speaking grad students. Check online for times as there is a set schedule and you can't just walk around alone.

Easily one of my top five Berlin things.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
Of Space Marines!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/Luckyjoe_/Miniatures/15%20mm/M113Rhino.jpg

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

Crazycryodude posted:

Is this some strange parody or is it supposed to be serious? Because using a plastic model AeroGavin "landing" on beige carpet with a slideshow of tangentially related pictures/quotes to make a point seems too stupid to be taken seriously but then again we're talking about the Gavin.

That YouTube account is full of similar videos and the profile links to combatreform.org and the website links to these videos, so I *think* it's for real. Though I really suspect the Thunderbirds video was made by trolls but then the Combat Reform dude took it at face value and posted it in his YouTube.

OwlFancier posted:

I still kind of maintain that a tank which flies is fairly well encapsulated by the Sheridan given that you can chuck it out the back of a flying C130, or airlift it with a helicopter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgg3iRaVnbw

M113s are cool though, it's a literal crate full of infantry.

Here's another way of deploying the Sheridan, if you don't need that C130 afterwards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4L50eMI8gY

And some more airborne AFV porn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwizQfIiBuQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEb6UI4S3QQ

Nenonen fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Nov 29, 2016

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
I've never been there so maybe in actuality it's really poo poo, but the Pergamon Museum in Berlin has always been on my list of museums I wanna go to someday.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


HEY GAL posted:

before we make the modern drugs, the same drat things they were getting hosed up on already only they used the word "medicine" for it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychoactive_plants

Yeah that's kinda what I was getting at, I would love to see a medieval/early modern army settle in for recreational deliriants and chill. Maybe "love" is not exactly the right word.

e: I suppose this is gay black neurochemistry

aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Nov 29, 2016

IceMole
Aug 1, 2009

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Winter Thunder has purple-ish SS counters.

As for pink, the only thing I can find are "Berserk Counter for SS units in Cross of Iron" :shrug:






Just a few minutes of editing counter sheets lets the SS show its true colors in War in the East:

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

aphid_licker posted:

Yeah that's kinda what I was getting at, I would love to see a medieval/early modern army settle in for recreational deliriants and chill. Maybe "love" is not exactly the right word.

e: I suppose this is gay black neurochemistry

Gay Black Hitler and the Shisha Den Putsch.

Slim Jim Pickens fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Nov 29, 2016

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

Sure you guys aren't confusing the SS with regular old panzer divisions? They wore pink details.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Siivola posted:

Sure you guys aren't confusing the SS with regular old panzer divisions? They wore pink details.

They still do!

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Koramei posted:

I've never been there so maybe in actuality it's really poo poo, but the Pergamon Museum in Berlin has always been on my list of museums I wanna go to someday.

It's pretty good. It's lesser billed, but I was honestly most impressed by some of the arabic stuff they've got there. Beautiful carving.

Oh yeah, and the Ishtar Gate. That's a thing they have.

Plus, you know, the Pergamon itself.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Cyrano4747 posted:

Oh yeah, and the Ishtar Gate. That's a thing they have.

The... whole thing?

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

OwlFancier posted:

The... whole thing?
yes.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Displaying major chunks of ancient architecture is kind of the Pergamon's "thing"

They've also got some beautiful intricately carved chunk of wall from somewhere in the middle east or africa or something. It's gorgeous, lots of arabic geometric carving. I'm sure it's famous and priceless, but I can't remembe it's name.

Baron Porkface
Jan 22, 2007


Was the American army ever totally routed during the Korean War?

Plan Z
May 6, 2012

Nenonen posted:

Here's another way of deploying the Sheridan, if you don't need that C130 afterwards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4L50eMI8gY

And some more airborne AFV porn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwizQfIiBuQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEb6UI4S3QQ

The best place to deploy a Sheridan is into a toilet, then flush the toilet.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Baron Porkface posted:

Was the American army ever totally routed during the Korean War?

"totally routed" might be a bit strong as the units in play weren't exactly heavy hitters, but the retreat to Pusan was pretty undignified.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Siivola posted:

Sure you guys aren't confusing the SS with regular old panzer divisions? They wore pink details.

So did the SS :ssh:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corps_colours_(Waffen-SS)


sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Cyrano4747 posted:

"totally routed" might be a bit strong as the units in play weren't exactly heavy hitters, but the retreat to Pusan was pretty undignified.

The retreat from the Yalu was pretty chaotic. Certainly elements of the army could be described as 'routed', but IIRC, the Marines did a credible job of holding the line to allow for a more orderly retreat. Still, casualties were pretty bad and there was a ton of lost equipment.

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SimonCat
Aug 12, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice

Baron Porkface posted:

Was the American army ever totally routed during the Korean War?

Task Force Faith on the east side of the Chosin Reservoir was basically destroyed during that battle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_Faith#Destruction

Maybe routed is the wrong word, it was 3,000 US Soldiers vs 20,000 Chinese.

Good documentary about it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHotyyg0x_E

SimonCat fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Nov 30, 2016

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