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Wasn't Pelosi the one behind that stupid sit in over gun control?
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mugrim posted:Pelosi is usually great, it's just worrisome the coastal divide taking place. Truth. I live in one of the bluest parts of the Left Coast but I grew up in Oklahoma and the Midwest so this terrifies me too.
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Nancy Pelosi has been an effective leader of the House Democrats. That said, she's facing a challenge to her leadership, and the method of attack she used against Ryan in that interview is a bit of a head scratcher.
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Nov 30, 2016 04:30
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pelosi will do her job of fighting back about medicare/medicaid and thats important enough to accept her now
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Nov 30, 2016 04:31
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Alter Ego posted:Nancy Pelosi has been an effective leader of the House Democrats. That said, she's facing a challenge to her leadership, and the method of attack she used against Ryan in that interview is a bit of a head scratcher. The most optimistic/charitable reading is that Pelosi was teed off that Ryan took a not-too-veiled swipe at the exact demographic Pelosi depends on to get reelected time and time again (rich urban Dems from coastal cities, because Pelosi is from San Francisco) and put her foot in her mouth because of it.
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Nov 30, 2016 04:32
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bump_fn posted:pelosi will do her job of fighting back about medicare/medicaid and thats important enough to accept her now
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Well What Now posted:Truth.  I see poo poo like this, and I get loving terrified.
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Nov 30, 2016 04:45
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2020 Democratic Primary Thread: The gently caress is a fish fry?
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Nov 30, 2016 04:46
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mugrim posted:Likewise, I like pelosi a lot, but this is upsetting...: How involved is the House Minority Leader supposed to be in managing countrywide races? My understanding is that they are primarily responsible for maintaining party discipline and voicing opposition on the hill, not outreach.
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Arkhams Razor posted:How involved is the House Minority Leader supposed to be in managing countrywide races? My understanding is that they are primarily responsible for maintaining party discipline and voicing opposition on the hill, not outreach. It's less of a matter of what she's responsible for, and more a problem of a very prominent voice in the party that has power basically dismissing an entire region of the country from a dude who won a place the dem candidate lost in. Ryan is 100% on the money here in his assessment, and even Obama has said the same thing almost word for word. Pelosi is one of the five dems people can usually label and that's important. I'm hoping she's just pissed because he challenged her, because if she ACTUALLY thinks this the dems are hosed because that attitude will be pervasive.
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Nov 30, 2016 04:49
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bump_fn posted:pelosi will do her job of fighting back about medicare/medicaid and thats important enough to accept her now Someone should ask Tim Ryan what he will do about the GOP's attempts to privatize Medicare. If he equivocates at all I'd hope that would disqualify him in the minds of anyone who wants to win in 2017 and beyond. I think our road back starts the exact same way the GOP's did. Win the governorships in NJ and VA and end Chris Christie once and for all.
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Nov 30, 2016 04:51
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resar posted:Wasn't Pelosi the one behind that stupid sit in over gun control? Not just gun control, but about expanding the use of the kafka-eqsue no fly list for use as a no gun buying list. Though just about every democrat, even Bernie, was in on that.
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Nov 30, 2016 04:53
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Yeah the top down bullshit needs to stop before the Dems just become the Green Party and run someone for President every time for some reason.. Saying he didn't carry his district for Hillary is an indictment of Hillary, not Ryan. I hope Pelosi's just politicking and not being expressive, because god drat.
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Nov 30, 2016 04:54
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Pelosi is good at what she needs to be good at--maintaining party discipline in a fractious House. Keith Ellison being head of the DNC would be a far better move than replacing Pelosi.
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Nov 30, 2016 04:56
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Alter Ego posted:Pelosi is good at what she needs to be good at--maintaining party discipline in a fractious House.
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Nov 30, 2016 04:58
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Paul Ryan's majority shrank this election and it was already precarious beforehand. He's got a bunch of loonies on his right that are ready to torch the whole place if he doesn't agree to defund the government. Given that, the Democrats' best strategy in the House, which is an entirely majoritarian body, is to march in lockstep unity and force him to make concessions or achieve nothing. Pelosi has six years of experience showing she can do this. I do understand the desire to force a change of leadership, and especially understand why members from the rust belt don't like her after she purged them from the environmental committee and replaced them with Californians to force CAFE standard through when she was the Speaker. There's also the mild corruption stuff, like using military flights to shuttle her family around. I don't think any of that is worth putting an untested, potentially divisive, leader in charge of a group that has no power if it splinters right now.
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Nov 30, 2016 05:00
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Oh Snapple! posted:The Democratic Thread: The gently caress is a fish fry?
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Nov 30, 2016 05:02
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Joementum posted:Paul Ryan's majority shrank this election and it was already precarious beforehand. He's got a bunch of loonies on his right that are ready to torch the whole place if he doesn't agree to defund the government. Given that, the Democrats' best strategy in the House, which is an entirely majoritarian body, is to march in lockstep unity and force him to make concessions or achieve nothing. Pelosi has six years of experience showing she can do this. pelosi's control of the house dems is so iron tight i'd be surprised if tim ryan doesn't end up voting for her
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Nov 30, 2016 05:03
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The house doesn't filibuster so what's the benefit of a minority leader being good at keeping party discipline in line? She can help make sure they lose votes by smaller margins?
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Nov 30, 2016 05:04
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Thoguh posted:The house doesn't filibuster so what's the benefit of a minority leader being good at keeping party discipline in line? She can help make sure they lose votes by smaller margins? Presumably the whip of the opposing side will have trouble getting 100% of their side to vote due to regional concerns. There's certain untouchable add ons and issues with certain districts.
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Nov 30, 2016 05:06
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How serious is Tim Ryan's challenge? I've kind of assumed it was mostly a way to publicly show discontent with leadership after a lovely election, but not a real challenge to the status quo.
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Nov 30, 2016 05:07
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Thoguh posted:The house doesn't filibuster so what's the benefit of a minority leader being good at keeping party discipline in line? She can help make sure they lose votes by smaller margins? For the past like 6 years, the republicans were uncontrollable, which meant that a good way to make something pass that body was if the democrats were okay with it. Since Pelosi could guarentee all the dems would vote, the majority could go to her and be like "okay I can't pass this with my members, but if we find a computerize we can get this through." I donno what the case will be now, though. I have no idea how the house will work this new session.
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Nov 30, 2016 05:08
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Thoguh posted:The house doesn't filibuster so what's the benefit of a minority leader being good at keeping party discipline in line? She can help make sure they lose votes by smaller margins? Paul Ryan needs 218 votes to pass anything. He has 233 Republicans, about 40 of whom are totally nuts.
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Nov 30, 2016 05:09
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if I run for congress on a full transparency I will gently caress your enemies bulletin would I stand a chance
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Nov 30, 2016 05:10
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mugrim posted:Pelosi is usually great, it's just worrisome the coastal divide taking place. Is this really a coastal divide? Or is it just a divide between class? I mean is the gap between the rich whites in the coast vs the working class whites in the midwest any bigger than the gap between the rich whites in the coast and the working class whites an hour away , or possibly even within the city?
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Grondoth posted:For the past like 6 years, the republicans were uncontrollable, which meant that a good way to make something pass that body was if the democrats were okay with it. Since Pelosi could guarentee all the dems would vote, the majority could go to her and be like "okay I can't pass this with my members, but if we find a computerize we can get this through." back during the bush admin when the GOP controlled the house they just shut dems out of everything, sometimes literally shutting committee doors in democrat's faces so, look forward to that, unless.... Joementum posted:Paul Ryan needs 218 votes to pass anything. He has 233 Republicans, about 40 of whom are totally nuts. this might throw a wrench in things
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Joementum posted:Paul Ryan's majority shrank this election and it was already precarious beforehand. He's got a bunch of loonies on his right that are ready to torch the whole place if he doesn't agree to defund the government. Given that, the Democrats' best strategy in the House, which is an entirely majoritarian body, is to march in lockstep unity and force him to make concessions or achieve nothing. Pelosi has six years of experience showing she can do this. In 13 years as minority leader and Speaker she has seen the Democrats lose a net 11 seats in the House and is basically the DC Democrat Establishment figurehead, continuing on with her as leader sends a signal that nothing went wrong in 2014 or 2016 and nothing needs to change.
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Nov 30, 2016 05:11
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CubsWoo posted:In 13 years as minority leader and Speaker she has seen the Democrats lose a net 11 seats in the House and is basically the DC Democrat Establishment figurehead, continuing on with her as leader sends a signal that nothing went wrong in 2014 or 2016 and nothing needs to change. are you missing a digit because 11 seats in the house doesn't sound awful
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Nov 30, 2016 05:12
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mugrim posted:It's less of a matter of what she's responsible for, and more a problem of a very prominent voice in the party that has power basically dismissing an entire region of the country from a dude who won a place the dem candidate lost in. Ryan is 100% on the money here in his assessment, and even Obama has said the same thing almost word for word. Is it? I doubt any voter will give half of a poo poo as long as the representative they're actually voting for can deliver them the right message. I think Alter Ego has the right of it, in that getting Ellison in as DNC chair is the single most important change we can make in regards to rebuilding the party.
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Nov 30, 2016 05:14
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Raskolnikov38 posted:are you missing a digit because 11 seats in the house doesn't sound awful I could have went with down 63 from the peak in 2008 but it seemed more fair to start in 2003
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Nov 30, 2016 05:14
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Raskolnikov38 posted:are you missing a digit because 11 seats in the house doesn't sound awful It's the difference between needing a few Republicans to not be batshit crazy and needing a few +11 so it's bad enough
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Nov 30, 2016 05:16
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CubsWoo posted:In 13 years as minority leader and Speaker she has seen the Democrats lose a net 11 seats in the House and is basically the DC Democrat Establishment figurehead, continuing on with her as leader sends a signal that nothing went wrong in 2014 or 2016 and nothing needs to change. Yup, that's a problem that needs to be addressed. If I thought replacing Pelosi with Tim Ryan would help that along more than the Democrats will benefit from having her head the House conference right now, I'd support his candidacy for leader.
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Nov 30, 2016 05:16
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infighting is stupid unless it has a specific point
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Nov 30, 2016 05:17
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oh i see, i misread and thought it was cumulative losses
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Nov 30, 2016 05:18
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CubsWoo posted:In 13 years as minority leader and Speaker she has seen the Democrats lose a net 11 seats in the House and is basically the DC Democrat Establishment figurehead, continuing on with her as leader sends a signal that nothing went wrong in 2014 or 2016 and nothing needs to change. shes not really that responsible for winning seats tho. like, marching orders can affect downticket races, but most of their wins come from infrastructure and resources, which pelosi does not provide them. she just changes their permanent record sometimes.
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Nov 30, 2016 05:21
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"Tell me, Mr. Ryan, how many boulevards in San Francisco bear your name?" *Maniacal laughter*
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Nov 30, 2016 05:22
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anime was right posted:shes not really that responsible for winning seats tho. I'm absolutely fine with keeping Minority Leader Pelosi in the spotlight for as long as humanly possible myself
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Nov 30, 2016 05:22
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the san francisco building thats literally sinking should be named after hillary
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pelosi is pretty progressive while also being establishment and i think throwing everyone who is half useful against the wall is dumb.
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