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CharlestonJew posted:Unless you were going for a Savior run the time limit posed little threat to you, people are just babies. And now they've taken out the closest thing resembling a challenge in these games. Some of the psychopaths were pretty hard if you don't cheese the games but yeah the time limits made the game neat. It was always fun to get kind of far and level up but restart to see how much better you do next time around.
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Kaincypher posted:So I'm the only one thinking Saint's Row with zombies sounds like a lot of fun? The timers were pretty lenient in 3, but if you're gonna give me an open world, just let me run around and murder kill hundreds of zombies while exploring nooks and crannies looking for easter eggs and hidden blueprints. See, here's the thing. If I want Saints Row with zombies, I have a lot of other options to play. Including Saints Row 3 which has zombies in it. Saints Row with zombies isn't an inherently bad thing, what is a bad thing is that something unique that only a tiny handful of games do is being removed because people are big babies about the most lenient timer in existence, who probably won't even buy Dead Rising 4 when it comes out anyway. I legit wouldn't even be as annoyed if they had a sandbox and hardcore mode, where sandbox is Dead Rising 4 as it currently is and hardcore is like Dead Rising 1 and 2 with the timer, but that hasn't happened. Capcom instead have decided to alienate the existing fanbase in the hopes they'll attract people who have criticized the series before because it wasn't what they expected the game to be like and I'm not entirely convinced this strategy will pay off for them. Then of course, I also feel as though Dead Rising 4 is completely unnecessary as Dead Rising 3 wrapped things up really well anyway.
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Cool there's a Dead Rising thread, was wondering where I could post this interview. “We need to make changes so that there can be a Dead Rising 5, 6 and 7” Capcom Vancouver discuss fan fury, Black Friday consumerism and why triple-A studios should support indies quote:"We had three writers on this project, and that's three times as many as we've ever had before," he tells us whilst showing us the game at a recreated living room in London.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Cool there's a Dead Rising thread, was wondering where I could post this interview. Why are these clowns acting like this is anything new? This is literally what DR1 did except it didn't try to beat you over the head with it. quote:Those are the sorts of questions we're asking. 90 percent of the consumers who play this game, they don't think as much as we do about these things, but for the 10 percent that do want that depth, we've got it." Yea focus on the tiny minority that has an existential crisis over loving Dead Rising. Alteisen fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Alteisen posted:Why are these clowns acting like this is anything new? This is literally what DR1 did except it didn't try to beat you over the head with it. Hell, its basically what Dawn of the Dead did. But I don't mind them changing the game up as long as what they change it too is good. I don't have high hopes though.
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So they're just actually doing what Dead Rising 1 was claimed to have done and actually aping Romero's Dawn of the Dead now? I don't even get why they're saying what they're saying. The other games weren't very well written, sure, but it's baffling that this guy didn't think there was some kind of social commentary about them. Dead Rising 1 was about the exploitative meat industry and how we don't give a poo poo about where what we eat come from or the conditions both the animals and meat workers were in, all we care about is food and then did a hamfisted analogy to zombies doing what humans were doing all along. Dead Rising 2 was commentary on American health care and how exploitative pharmaceutical companies will be just to make a quick buck on the suffering of others, that's why money itself was such a major motif in Dead Rising 2. Dead Rising 3's commentary was slightly more subtle but was mostly commentary on immigration, especially in California and how human beings are treated as "the other" for the most superficial of reasons and the warning that someone ruled by prejudices against "the other" could come into great power with General Hemlock's character. Which is kind of ironic considering Trump will be president now I suppose. I apologize for going full SMG here. Point is, the previous games weren't well written, but the commentary was still there and was actually a fair bit different than the social commentary most other zombie works use. So the developers acting like Dead Rising 4 is super smart when it looks just as heavy handed and is using commentary we've already seen from the guy who invented the zombie craze is bizarre.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:See, here's the thing. If I want Saints Row with zombies, I have a lot of other options to play. Including Saints Row 3 which has zombies in it. Saints Row with zombies isn't an inherently bad thing, what is a bad thing is that something unique that only a tiny handful of games do is being removed because people are big babies about the most lenient timer in existence, who probably won't even buy Dead Rising 4 when it comes out anyway. I've always wondered how hard it would be to add simple mods to games like this to appeal to a bigger base. I get that Dead Rising (and now XCOM2) are known for the timer mechanic, Dark Souls is known for punishing difficulty, Git Gud, etc. Would it really be so hard to make everyone happy by giving them options for an easy mode or timer-less mode? Tons of games have Ironman, Hardcore mode, NG+, 4 different difficulty levels, etc. You'd think it would be standard on any game with such obviously divisive mechanics. You'd open your market from exclusively niche hardcore purists to the filthy casuals, of which there are a lot. Many gamers like myself are older now and have jobs/kids/etc. I can't dump endless hours to grind for days or memorize every enemy location on a given map. More options=Bigger market=more sales, and older gamers generally have more disposable income to boot. Kinda seems like a no-brainer.
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Kaincypher posted:I've always wondered how hard it would be to add simple mods to games like this to appeal to a bigger base. I get that Dead Rising (and now XCOM2) are known for the timer mechanic, Dark Souls is known for punishing difficulty, Git Gud, etc. Would it really be so hard to make everyone happy by giving them options for an easy mode or timer-less mode? Tons of games have Ironman, Hardcore mode, NG+, 4 different difficulty levels, etc. You'd think it would be standard on any game with such obviously divisive mechanics. The major issue with adding these modes is that the timer element is a core part of the game design. There are people willing to accept games that are easy because they cut out content but there are also people who get genuinely upset that things 'don't work right' because they're designed around mechanics they chose to ignore. It's possible to do but like X-COM with no timer is something that has a lot of mechanics that just make no sense without them.
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Don't look to deeply into the ramblings of someone who quotes Steve Jobs while making GBS threads on consumerism.
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Kaincypher posted:I've always wondered how hard it would be to add simple mods to games like this to appeal to a bigger base. I get that Dead Rising (and now XCOM2) are known for the timer mechanic, Dark Souls is known for punishing difficulty, Git Gud, etc. Would it really be so hard to make everyone happy by giving them options for an easy mode or timer-less mode? Tons of games have Ironman, Hardcore mode, NG+, 4 different difficulty levels, etc. You'd think it would be standard on any game with such obviously divisive mechanics. You run the risk of spending money on adding modes that people probably won't play.
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Finally, a piece of zombie media that ties both zombies and consumerism together!!! Makes you think. The only thing I got out of that interview is that the time limit reappears near the end of the game, so at least it'll almost assuredly have multiple endings. I thought they had gotten rid of those too.
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blackguy32 posted:You run the risk of spending money on adding modes that people probably won't play. seems like a small risk versus a high reward, depending on how much coding you'd need to make the changes. As I mentioned, purists will ignore the easier/timeless modes sure, but as I said, there's a lot of casuals who don't have the time necessary to become a Dark Souls Savant, memorize the optimum path to get every survivor for Dead Rising 1, or even just people who suck at games and aren't going to buy games that punish them. Easier modes often are just same enemies with weaker attack/HP values. Removing a timer would be even easier, although point taken that it could mess things up based on how core of a mechanic it is. Which, for a game who's core mechanic should be centered around funny costumes and new and inventive ways of killing zombies, maybe they shouldn't make the timer so central to the process. For Dead Rising 3 at least, they would fast-forward your timer based on how quickly you accomplished your objectives, I can't imagine that the reverse couldn't be done as well (stall the clock until XYZ mission was completed, etc.)
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Kaincypher posted:maybe they shouldn't make the timer so central to the process. That isn't really a reasonable way to do it, because in doing so you limit what designers can do, and especially for something like a time limit it *needs* to be fairly central to have any impact at all. Something like Majora's Mask (to use a game in the same vein as DR) would not work without a central time limit.
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It's really a question of dueling designs. You can't have the game go both ways and give them both the space they deserve. If you start from a sandbox and add time trials later, you basically have to design the game twice; if you start from time trials and then remove the time, you've probably also removed most of the challenge and momentum your game had. The idea I had a while back was a "Real Time Mode" for a DR/DR2-style game, where every minute that passes in-game is a real-world minute, and you have the ability to go take a nap in the safe room to speed things up, the way you can in Fallout 3. Everything is just about the same, but if you wanted, you'd have seventy-two actual hours to dick around before the timer expired.
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Gobblecoque posted:I don't think it's that people hate the idea of Saint's Row with zombies but that it sucks that it seemingly means killing off the unique and cool gameplay of the first two games. Personally I really don't get why people just have an instinctual revulsion to the idea of time limits. You were always able to just dick around and kill zombies and explore while ignoring time because the only stuff that matters carries over to a new game anyway. And the time limit of 3 might as well have not existed. I'm pretty sure I reached max level and explored almost everything and just spent most of the time dicking around and still had days left over by the end. It kinda reminds me of how a lot of people get freaked out by the time limit in Fallout 1 when it's basically impossible to realistically reach it. You know, I like the idea of combo weapons, but I hate how they make anything that's not them worthless. Half the fun of DR1 was using everyday household items in a pinch, like a tv, or a lipstick display model. In DR2 and OTR though anything like that does barely anything at all most of the time. RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Every game should just go down the DO4M route of having the protagonist get annoyed and crack his knuckles every time a cutscene drags on longer than 10 seconds or so, and irreparably smash something to shut people up if it lasts longer than 15.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Cool there's a Dead Rising thread, was wondering where I could post this interview. Canadian video game developers need to be dealt with, quickly and very violently
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https://ca.linkedin.com/in/joe-nickolls-231243 The only nonsports game he's ever worked on was Simpsons Hit and Run
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uhhhhhh... I didn't see this posted, but this is pretty damning to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejeIT0MBSac
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Malcolm Excellent posted:uhhhhhh... I didn't see this posted, but this is pretty damning to watch I'm a little confused as to why a seemingly fresh dev is working on DR4, I can only assume Capcom has little faith in the franchise anymore.
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Alteisen posted:I'm a little confused as to why a seemingly fresh dev is working on DR4, I can only assume Capcom has little faith in the franchise anymore. A) He's not a "fresh dev." He's been a producer since 1998. B) "Producer" in the video game industry means "office manager." You coordinate teams, keep things moving, form a line of useful communication between workers and management, and make sure everyone's on the same page. He's someone you'd want to have talking about the game to the press, because he'd know everything about it due to being in a central position, but he's not primarily responsible for creative decisions. He was probably in the room when they were made and he'd probably have something to say about how realistic a given idea actually is, but he's not the director, writer, or lead programmer.
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Malcolm Excellent posted:uhhhhhh... I didn't see this posted, but this is pretty damning to watch Yeah gently caress these canucks
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Wanderer posted:A) He's not a "fresh dev." He's been a producer since 1998. The bearded moron is the director
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tap my mountain posted:The bearded moron is the director I'm still talking about Nickolls, then. He's not "fresh" by any measure. He's coming up on 20 years as a developer, and dudes go back and forth from director to producer all the time.
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Wanderer posted:A) He's not a "fresh dev." He's been a producer since 1998. I mean more in the sense that he doesn't seem to have experience with the genre than DR4 is, for the most part it seems the games he worked on had no narrative to them.
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Lumpy the Cook posted:I'll forever deeply hate The Walking Dead for making this gay "are the zombies the real monsters... or are we???" meme popular. It's also just a bad show on its own too, though. that's not even a meme or walking dead's fault it's the exact underlying message of the past fifty years of zombie fiction, which makes this guy acting like it's an original concept even more insane
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Blockhouse posted:that's not even a meme or walking dead's fault it's the exact underlying message of the past fifty years of zombie fiction, which makes this guy acting like it's an original concept even more insane Yeah, I can't think of any decent zombie fiction where other humans weren't at least as dangerous to the protagonists. That goes all the way back to the original Night of the Living Dead. You might maybe make an argument for Zombieland. Alteisen posted:I mean more in the sense that he doesn't seem to have experience with the genre than DR4 is, for the most part it seems the games he worked on had no narrative to them. He's not the narrative designer. That's a separate position.
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Actually now that I think about it, Dawn of the Dead was goofy as all hell too. The poor zombies were getting mocked pretty badly and having pies thrown in their faces and all other kinds of antics that Frank/Chuck/Nick do to the zombies in Dead Rising. So Dead Rising 4 is even more of a glaring ripoff of that movie. Also Day of the Dead is the best Romero zombie movie. I'd love a Dead Rising game from the perspective of a military grunt sent in to control the situation and having to make moral choices about survivors whilst trying to placate your batshit insane CO as your supplies dwindle constantly. Maybe even have access to multiple safehouses and outposts at the start but as time goes on and the city becomes more overrun and closer to being firebombed, you struggle to keep safehouses supplied and stocked with equipment whilst you uncover the mandatory Dead Rising conspiracy and have psychopaths being Frank West idolizers who assume you're covering up the truth because you're a military grunt. Selenephos fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Alteisen posted:I'm a little confused as to why a seemingly fresh dev is working on DR4, I can only assume Capcom has little faith in the franchise anymore. Capcom Vancouver is the Dead Rising studio and they make the games with whoever's there - maybe they're veterans, maybe they're new hires, you just have to play the hand you've been dealt. That's the problem that big publishers (and Japanese ones in particular) often fall into when they buy western studios: they acquire the studio based on a few talented individuals, those people quit, the studio suddenly becomes a burden to manage and they either get shut down or get stuck doing grunt work for other studios for a while and then get shut down.
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Man, I was excited but it's a good thing all this new stuff has come out. Hey maybe in 6 years we'll get a proper Dead Rising game and not just another 3rd person sandbox game, but with Zombies.
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SeANMcBAY posted:Is Dead Rising 3 worth a play? It's much better than I expected, still the weakest in the series imo. Nightmare (classic mode) is the most challenging and the longest DR and I don't want a sandbox so I'll probably never finish it but it was really fun to explore. Buy it on holiday sale for 15 or 20, definitely
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Dead Rising to me isn't a perfect game and I won't say that all its imperfections add to its charm but it's one of my favorite games of all time. The length is perfect (on the short side but very replayable), it's full of surprises, it has separate goals for finishing the story/getting a high score or whatever.
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