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General Morden posted:so what is this game's mid-range shaman, face hunter, zoo, i.e. most reviled deck It's Elana. It's pretty much impossible for newbies to beat. Imagine playing Arena in hearthstone but the guy with Elana heals every turn and his same-costed minions are bigger than yours.
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Elana's aggravating, but I have fun figuring out how to blow them up with whatever bad draws the game's given me. Usually involve clever board clears and reckless evolutions. Also I've reached B-rank 
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Nov 30, 2016 10:14
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In B rank I've just discovered the joy of having my face pushed in by Discard Dragon, Altered Fate for 14 face at once 
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Nov 30, 2016 12:42
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Dzhay posted:Two questions: Surprised no one's responded to this yet: -Uh... play minions and spells? It's something you'll always have to deal with, but most decks will have fairly efficient answers. Hard to give exact advice without knowing what class you're playing, but pretty much everyone has an ultra-value turn 4/5 evolve that can get at least a 3-for-1 trade. And mulligan aggressively. -A Neutral deck would be stupidly terrible in almost all situations.
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Nov 30, 2016 12:44
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Yakiniku Teishoku posted:In B rank I've just discovered the joy of having my face pushed in by Discard Dragon, Altered Fate for 14 face at once Discard Dragon is a gimmick deck, with one of the lowest recorded win rates. You probably won't encounter that deck again (And lose to it.) any time soon. I once lost to a Control Blood that managed to pull off a Flame and Glass when I had ran out of cards to kill them. It was the first and only time I ever saw the combined follower activate, and it was in AA2. Never before was the triple *gasp* emote as fitting on Arisa.
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Nov 30, 2016 13:09
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Aggro Sword typically wins by firing warning shots for 3 rounds and then dropping the banner and ripping your throat out on turn 4. You deal with this through cheap wards (veteran lancer, snake priestess, spartoi soldier), cheap removal (blackened scripture, magic missile, angelic barrage), or creatures that force bad trades with the likes of oathless and ascetic knight (anything with 2 defense, elf child may). Also priest of the cudgel and dragon warrior are both cards that reliably let you stabilize on turn 4.
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Nov 30, 2016 15:41
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Yakiniku Teishoku posted:storm haven: top of the meta. fast face damage with a variety of utility I guess I am cancer incarnate because those are the first 3 decks I made.
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Nov 30, 2016 16:21
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I feel like anyone who doesn't put Tempo Forest at the top of their list of hated decks is either playing Forest themselves or really fundamentally misunderstands what's going on.
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Nov 30, 2016 16:25
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I feel like anyone who doesn't put Tempo Forest at the top of their list of hated decks is either playing Forest themselves or really fundamentally misunderstands what's going on. Seriously, gently caress Ancient Elf and Crystalia Tia. If they play Tia it's like they get a free evolve point which is just bonkers
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Nov 30, 2016 16:34
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I'm in D still and in 10+ games last night didn't face a single forest deck gently caress haven tho for real
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Nov 30, 2016 16:35
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Sophism posted:Discard Dragon is a gimmick deck, with one of the lowest recorded win rates. You probably won't encounter that deck again (And lose to it.) any time soon. Golden Battler posted:I guess I am cancer incarnate because those are the first 3 decks I made. Nehru the Damaja posted:I feel like anyone who doesn't put Tempo Forest at the top of their list of hated decks is either playing Forest themselves or really fundamentally misunderstands what's going on. I haven't run into that many Tempo players yet but it's a pretty even match with Garuda. Plenty of banish that Liza can't protect against the thing about haven is even while I'm playing haven I don't want to play against haven
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Nov 30, 2016 16:43
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Running that death ward thing is nice against broken aria (at least in dumpster) Tempo forest seems totally broken also, Tia and the rhinoceroach make it a combo deck as well as a mid-range deck that can handle too many different archetypes, and ancient elf ensures it doesn't run out of steam It can screw the opponent over from almost any position
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Nov 30, 2016 17:23
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The fun thing about Forest is that it's entirely possible to die without knowing which list they were playing because they all run mostly the same cards. e: and that pattern looks like it'll continue in the new expansion since White Wolf actually makes Silverbolt and even Rose Queen significantly more viable.
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Nov 30, 2016 17:58
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Golden Battler posted:The fun thing about Forest is that it's entirely possible to die without knowing which list they were playing because they all run mostly the same cards. Yeah. Am I doing the right thing trading and fighting for the board because otherwise they'd ping me down with fairies and then roach me out for the win? Or am I just building shadow while delaying my ability to kill him? I guess we'll find out in a few turns! Or maybe they loop Tia and I don't find out at all. Nehru the Damaja fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Nov 30, 2016 18:19
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trucutru posted:Yeah, his salt is half-real, half-acted. Another of his popular acts is to call for some play that will wreck him and then, when it inexorably happens, just look at the camera. Somehow that poo poo is hilarious. Again, Arena is so random that he gets to milk this a lot. This is just a thing that happens when you know the cardpool well but yeah spectators love it. I'll do it on discord with my friends when spectating their plays and they think it's funny when I call the blowout play v  v.No Wave posted:Running that death ward thing is nice against broken aria (at least in dumpster) Having converted to a tempo forest player a few weeks ago I find that the biggest problem is that you absolutely need a few key cards for most matchups and you can get clogged with fairy makers or combo spenders. Up against vampy? Mulligan for Elf Child May. Don't get Elf Child May or Ancient Elf?  .The deck has a plan against every other deck but it lacks draw smoothing.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:31
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I can't really speak to that, right now I'm looping tia in D0 unranked and I should probably stop
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Nov 30, 2016 18:42
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I just hope I get to play it before something gets nerfed. It's like exactly the kind of deck I love to play in Magic. Lots of card draw, angles to win from all over the place, tons of stuff moving between zones -- the kind of deck that has tons of lines of play and rewards you for getting to know it back and forth.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:42
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Tia, Ancient Elf, Cynthia, and Rhinoroach are all insane so they'd have to nerf a lot to make it unplayable My amateur guess js that a rhinoroach nerf would take it well out of tier 1 tho
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Nov 30, 2016 18:57
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Went against a ramp dragon dude who ramped really well with my nybrid Elana. Saved my baldies for the inevitable Fortes and sure as hell 2 were banished to the underworld. Kept defending, he dropped Olivia, cavaliers, fafnirs, etc and he still could not grind me out. Ahahaha. Everything went as planned for him and he still lost, you can bet your rear end I got a disconnect ragequit.
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Nov 30, 2016 19:55
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lol its funny i was reading this and ran into 3 elana decks at the lowest rank in ranked possible i couldnt win because of constant board clear and heals reminded me of wotog control paladin
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Nov 30, 2016 20:21
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Elana is a relatively cheap deck, honestly. None of its essentials are legendary.
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Nov 30, 2016 20:25
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Why is every player that thinks it's super cute to sandbag their rank and run the newbie flair from Japan That honestly sounds like American level dicklordery. edit: Okay I literally played this same guy with this same deck 2 games ago in a different arena. Why the gently caress is he being matched with me still Nehru the Damaja fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Nov 30, 2016 21:02
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Why does it seem like every healing card cycles, elanas has so much draw ugh
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Nov 30, 2016 21:04
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Why is every player that thinks it's super cute to sandbag their rank and run the newbie flair from Japan Dude, Japan may be behind in many internet-related things compared to the US, but they online dicklordery is superior. They have state-of-the-art shut-ins with pretty much a single outlet for their spite. They don't even get to go on murdering gun rampages. My flair is "salty". Truth in advertising! Indecisive posted:Why does it seem like every healing card cycles, elanas has so much draw ugh Because healing would be useless otherwise for any non-Elana deck, it would only postpone your loss. Healing is fine, the actual problem is that Elana is an amulet and the meta doesn't run much amulet removal. By introducing some flexible removal (probably regular removal that can be enhanced to target amulets) Elana can be fixed easily. My Elana deck includes amulet removal and I smoke other Elanas, I have lost only twice, out of a billion, against it.
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Nov 30, 2016 21:19
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Why is every player that thinks it's super cute to sandbag their rank and run the newbie flair from Japan Because 90% of the player base is from japan
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Nov 30, 2016 21:25
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I think the only person I've played against who was obviously trying to be a dick was from Saudi Arabia at least according to his flag, guy spammed emotes and purposefully let his turns run late. Other than that my games have been completely normal as far as I can remember.
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Nov 30, 2016 21:26
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The Japanese players seem relatively polite to me. No emote spamming or turn stalling or anything. While I personally want them to buff all the decks I play and nerf all the ones I don't, I do think more efficient Amulet removal would go a long way towards balancing Elana. I've also speculated that a cheap card with Enhance: Destroy an Amulet might be added, because honestly a lot of biggest problem decks right now are based around powerful amulets (Elana's, Banner, and Path to Purgatory kinda-sorta), yet apparently it's still not worth it to include Amulet removal tech in most decks. To me, that says that existing Amulet removal is almost ridiculously overcosted in cards like Carnivorous Flower and Dragonrider Devil. Which I'll forgive you for not recognizing because they are never, ever played. The only Amulet removal cards that do see play are the ones that double as relatively inefficient removal against followers, but not every archetype can make use of that. Clarste fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Nov 30, 2016 21:38
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I have no idea when people BM me because I play with the sound muted and tab out during my opponent's turn Also while I'd like to see amulet removal worm its way into the metagame, it really only answers three strong cards and is useless against the likes of Beastcall Aria inthesto fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Nov 30, 2016 21:47
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I feel like anyone who doesn't put Tempo Forest at the top of their list of hated decks is either playing Forest themselves or really fundamentally misunderstands what's going on. Tempo forest is a) loving expensive and b) hard to pilot to perfection. Most people don't get to to experience both a) and b) until they reach the A's (I've never lost to tempo Forest with Elana, not a single time, and banner has a good chance if you take it slow at the start and clear the fairies). Like, it's the same with the JP playerbase, go to any Elana video and just look at the insults and downvotes. Tempo takes money and skill, Elana is cheap and easy and at the tip of the list of hated decks. BTW, in the latest RAGE tournament Elana (plus mid range sword) shat all over tempo forest and not a single tempo forest deck managed to get close to the finals, all the top players were playing ptp instead. trucutru fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Nov 30, 2016 21:53
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inthesto posted:Also while I'd like to see amulet removal worm its way into the metagame, it really only answers three strong cards and is useless against the likes of Beastcall Aria It's not like we want to completely gut Haven though. Probably.
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Nov 30, 2016 21:58
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Clarste posted:The Japanese players seem relatively polite to me. No emote spamming or turn stalling or anything.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:00
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quote:water fairy x3 please comment on my lovely makeshift forestcraft deck i came up with one night it's been doing well in the low ranks for some reason i also did the dream play of crystalia tia into dungeoncrawl into crystalia tia until my board got wrecked by themis's decree two times rip
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Nov 30, 2016 22:02
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No Wave posted:Isn't the real problem card beastcall aria? I'd rather they didn't render any amulet over 3 mana useless Well, maybe that's a problem, but it's not like a deck with those but without Elana's or Garuda would be any good. Whereas a deck with Elana's that manages to spam a bunch of cheap heals can certainly win without Beastcall. Personally I've never felt like Beastcall was overwhelming me; honestly I'd put Priest of the Cudgel as a much bigger issue (although perhaps they simply need that level of OP to survive long enough against aggro).
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Nov 30, 2016 22:07
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at low rank Cynthia will lift and carry you all the way to the finish line on her own. other than that the deck is too top-heavy.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:08
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General Morden posted:please comment on my lovely makeshift forestcraft deck i came up with one night Seems fun, you can try replacing some of the jankier cards with good cheap ones like Elf Child May and adding even more damage boost for surprise lethal (Fairy Dancer instead of the botanist, for example). No Wave posted:Isn't the real problem card beastcall aria? I'd rather they didn't render any amulet over 3 mana useless Aria is kind of a necessary evil since, without it, Haven would not have a way to stabilize against a zerg rush.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:15
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Alright, giving this a try. I'm not patient with the whole re-roll thing but on 4th try landed Legendary 3x Cerberus 1x Crystalia Tia 1x Odin 1x Alexander Gold isn't very impressive Ghouls Banquet Elana's Prayer Rogues Creed Winter's Caprice Arch Priestess Laelia Homecoming Timeworn Mage Levi Elf Knight Cynthia Kaguya Orb Dragon I wanted to start with shadow anyway so I'm thinking I should just stop here and begin building anything else I want.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:47
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i mean x3 cerberus you're p. much set as far as most shadowcraft decks go and odin is p. good neutral legendary to have around
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Nov 30, 2016 22:49
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In today's climb to AA3... Heal Haven mirror matches are really dumb. We both had 2 cards left when they finally managed to kill me.  Pulling off a Seraph win against Banner is insanely rare to say the least. Oh so satisfying though.  This PTP Forest spammed the "Sorry" emote once they got me to 2 health and cycled their entire hand with Altered Fate. I proceeded to eat an Earth Sigil with Veteran Alchemist, and walled myself against their Roach combo with a couple of Guardian Golems. Turns out they only had one PTP in hand.   Midrange Sword plops down Otohime, evolves her and trades into my evolved Siegfried. They even saw me use Dragon Emissary, but I guess they didn't realize their mistake soon enough. I just attacked with Trinity Dragon, passed the turn so they couldn't free up room for Aurelia or Sage Commander and then finished them with Forte. The road to Master is such a huge grind. I really want to reach it before the expansion hits though.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:49
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Autarkeia posted:Alright, giving this a try. I'm not patient with the whole re-roll thing but on 4th try landed 3 loving Cerberus and a Tia lol Take that reroll and godspeed
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Nov 30, 2016 22:50
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trucutru posted:Aria is kind of a necessary evil since, without it, Haven would not have a way to stabilize against a zerg rush. Between Blackened Scripture, Snake Priestess, Temple Defender, and Priest of the Cudgel, I'd say Haven has plenty of answers to aggro decks
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