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Guy Goodbody posted:It worked for the Republicans They don't care about having a functioning government. It's easier to tear it all down if you don't care if they slice the baby in half.
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Doctor Butts posted:What the gently caress are you talking about? Hillary mostly ran on not being Trump, for example. How did that work out?
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quote:“If you’ve got any suggestions that there is a real problem with the way the votes are tallied, put it on the table,” Graham scolded the president-elect. “You’re now the President-elect of the United States. If you really believe that millions of people voted illegally you should show some proof… No one has suggested to me that there’s evidence of what he said. And if there’s no evidence, please stop saying that.” Guys I keep finding Lindsay Graham reasonable. Between this and Glenn Beck doing a good impression of a sane person, I don't even know up from down anymore.
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VH4Ever posted:Hillary mostly ran on not being Trump, for example. How did that work out? I still believe that it would've worked with another candidate.
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Xibanya posted:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/30/how-the-gop-won-big-in-2016-and-lost-all-control.html Lindsey Graham immediately backed Sessions for AG, so there's your antidote.
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Phone posted:I'll copy paste the convo in a sec. No, we're good.
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mcmagic posted:I still believe that it would've worked with another candidate. Democrats as a whole ran on not being Republicans in 2014. It didn't work.
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Guy Goodbody posted:No, we're good. loving classic example of censorship on display here on something awful dot com.
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Nov 30, 2016 16:41
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All-Inclusive progressivism is a nearly impossible platform to sell because there's always going to be a bunch of resentment, either of the decadent ivory towers in the cities, or the racist bumpkins in the sticks. The best way of uniting the rural working class and the urban working class is to point that resentment at the suburbs and exurbs. For the city folks, explain that the *-urbs are fleecing them and trying to steal their sewer service and plow service without paying for it. For the rural folks, explain that the *-urbs are trying to move in on their family farm so they can build another golf course. I'm pretty sure it's clearly evident that a platform is more appealing when you give someone an enemy to swing at.
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Fojar38 posted:It's true that I have no direct military experience and have to glean what I can from open source internet poo poo but I would ask why there are so few actual military people posting in this thread in the first place. (It's probably because like half of the regular posters are hostile towards the military or the idea of US foreign policy in general) Only half? You're an optimist, aren't you?
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Guy Goodbody posted:Democrats as a whole ran on not being Republicans in 2014. It didn't work. You're talking about a very different thing with midterms...
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FAUXTON posted:All-Inclusive progressivism is a nearly impossible platform to sell because there's always going to be a bunch of resentment, either of the decadent ivory towers in the cities, or the racist bumpkins in the sticks. The best way of uniting the rural working class and the urban working class is to point that resentment at the suburbs and exurbs. For the city folks, explain that the *-urbs are fleecing them and trying to steal their sewer service and plow service without paying for it. For the rural folks, explain that the *-urbs are trying to move in on their family farm so they can build another golf course. I'm pretty sure it's clearly evident that a platform is more appealing when you give someone an enemy to swing at. Agreed. The book I'm reading right now highlights the idea that, for rural communities, a big part of their resentment stems from: a) Power centers (in this case Madison/Milwaukee) 1. not understanding the difficulties of rural communities, 2. legislating blanket law that doesn't necessarily address rural needs/considerations b) That they deeply value 'hard work' and are proud of the living they've carved out - that they view the cities as not having worked to the same extent but benefit from public policy more. They may very well have a point when it comes to (a), but (b) is obviously a matter of perspective. I grew up in a very small town and I know full well how hard these individuals work - breaking their bodies over the course of their lifetimes, but naturally the work done in cities and in rural areas is different.
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So I have a question about income inequality. Has there been any good study on how bad we are in relation to Rome noted bastion of inequality?
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hahah hey guys remember this https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/703733273504018432
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So I don't think there is any chance that Pelosi loses today but if she does, I wouldn't be upset.
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mcmagic posted:I still believe that it would've worked with another candidate. Unrealistic Promises 2020
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Guy Goodbody posted:Democrats as a whole ran on not being Republicans in 2014. It didn't work.
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SaTaMaS posted:Unrealistic Promises 2020 People underestimate the irrelevant poo poo that voters vote on.
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Snowden is an idiot. JOKES ON HIM THOUGH!!! TRUMPS CABINET HAS A FORMER GOLDMAN GUY IN IT!!! BOTH SIDES DO IT AM I RITE!?
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Supposedly the filing fee in Wisconsin more than tripled to $3.5 million. Hrm...
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Eimi posted:So I have a question about income inequality. Has there been any good study on how bad we are in relation to Rome noted bastion of inequality? I don't know if this is a real question or not. I would suggest that trying to compare any 21st century nation with the empire of Rome is not the most helpful analysis. You can just look at the 1920s and 30s for a better idea of how things might work out for us if economic trends of inequality continue. That's just me. I'm sure it would make an evocative statement to compare against Bread and Circuses tho, which maybe would get people to see the point one would want to make.
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Boon posted:Agreed. So what we say is yes, you are being fleeced by people living in cities taking all your wealth without doing work, but those aren't poor people who work just as hard as you. Those are investment bankers and CEOs and others who make hundreds of times what you make and don't care if you lose your job or not. Join us and let's go get your money and independence back!
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I'll be the first person in line to laugh at how badly idiots managed to drum circle and finger wiggle themselves into being completely ineffectual but Occupy Wall Street was a lot of people across the entire country coming together at the same time, for a very long time, with one pretty clear message "We're pissed off at the status quo and the elite that keep it that way". They even managed to bumble-gently caress their way into a really great slogan with the 99%/1% stuff. So what did Democrats do in the face of that kind of popular resentment and an orange skinned human middle finger to the status quo with a bad hairpiece? Literally "I'll be more of the same!" To really goon it up, OWS was the country going to yellow alert and the Trumpster fire is poo poo getting real and going to red alert. How bad do things have to get before that frustration is harnessed and pointed in a good direction? Because someone is going to say what people want to hear, it might as well be someone constructive. What's wrong with saying loudly, constantly and everywhere, "Bankers are loving the nation, we're going to protect the people"? Republicans just proved you can have a serial sexual assaulting, racist, xenophobic thin skinned narcissistic man child blatantly and obviously looking to burn the country down so he can loot the ashes as long as you point out how the average guy is getting screwed. I'd much rather have that harnessed and pointed at the 1% than whatever shade of brown Drumpfy sees first that morning. I mean I get that if you go too far and enter 'The People's Revolution' territory it can be bad poo poo, but it loving works and going high while they go
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HannibalBarca posted:hahah hey guys remember this horns.aiff as hell
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bird food bathtub posted:So what did Democrats do in the face of that kind of popular resentment and an orange skinned human middle finger to the status quo with a bad hairpiece? Literally "I'll be more of the same!" To really goon it up, OWS was the country going to yellow alert and the Trumpster fire is poo poo getting real and going to red alert. How bad do things have to get before that frustration is harnessed and pointed in a good direction? Well pre-new deal we had the Great Depression and WW1 to give you an idea of the global suffering we're looking for. Hope for a nuke to go off I guess?
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My Linux Rig posted:
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They're not "identity politics," they're civil rights. They're rights for human beings who are less fortunate than you, who are actively being threatened and harmed every day. So no, abandoning them is not an option, because it violates basic human decency. Acting like economic rights and class issues can't coexist is a blatant attempt to throw minorities under the bus, and I question whether the people suggesting this were ever really progressive in the first place.
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NewForumSoftware posted:Well pre-new deal we had the Great Depression and WW1 to give you an idea of the global suffering we're looking for. Hope for a nuke to go off I guess? I'm in a first strike city so if it happens I'm relived I won't have to live through the aftermath. Old James posted:Look how both of you are arguing the same thing No I'm not. I'm not saying give up on civil right at all. What I'm saying is that just saying you support a group while not doing anything to increase their quality of life is a failing proposition, look at the minimum wage for example. Employment discrimination against trans people is rampant, and in many cases legal, high turnover minimum wage jobs may be the only employment they can get. Telling them they should support you because the HRC does, even though you don't have a plan to help them make a living wage, is what turns them off. Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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N. Senada posted:I don't know if this is a real question or not. I would suggest that trying to compare any 21st century nation with the empire of Rome is not the most helpful analysis. You can just look at the 1920s and 30s for a better idea of how things might work out for us if economic trends of inequality continue. That's just me. I'm sure it would make an evocative statement to compare against Bread and Circuses tho, which maybe would get people to see the point one would want to make. Honestly it's more for just personal comparative purposes. Like I think it's easy to get an idea of an elite Romans luxurious life vs an average person's because that starkness is more evident. Meanwhile comparing myself to a flapper is easier than the life of an average American at the time. I do agree it doesn't serve a purpose though.
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for the second time i ask - what particular identity politics should democrats stop talking about
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Phone posted:Snowden is an idiot. lol, oops https://twitter.com/molly_knight/status/803753557509816320
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paranoid randroid posted:for the second time i ask - what particular identity politics should democrats stop talking about How many celebrities endorse them.
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Phone posted:How many celebrities endorse them. okay, and...?
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These loving morons will find another reason to vote for republicans going forward. I wouldn't read too much into this.
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like please, convince me that "identity politics" isnt just another moron-phatic for people to hyperventilate over, and decrying it isnt just One Weird Trick the Coastal Elites Dont Want You to Know
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The real problem is that us poors are bickering among ourselves for the table scraps. It's very easy to look at a $15 minimum wage and say "that's almost as much as I make...all they're doing is flipping burgers. They shouldn't make that much." But there's no corresponding message for the rest of the workforce. Where is the "the baseline wage should be $15/hr, and if you make close to that you should be getting a raise to keep your salary competitive" message? Corporations are making profits hand over fist. They make their profits off the backs of our work but we are squabbling with each other because "such-and-such job is so easy and I'm struggling too." Edit: A candidate that came out and said, "I'm going to raise your wage, you will make more money under my administration." would win, hands down...doesn't even matter if it's a bold faced lie. Rabble fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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mcmagic posted:These loving morons will find another reason to vote for republicans going forward. I wouldn't read too much into this. This is unfortunately true.
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paranoid randroid posted:okay, and...? You asked what identity politics should be abandoned. What were you expecting?
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paranoid randroid posted:like please, convince me that "identity politics" isnt just another moron-phatic for people to hyperventilate over, and decrying it isnt just One Weird Trick the Coastal Elites Dont Want You to Know it's not so much decrying it or anything like that as it is about running a campaign based on "we're not running a misogynist racist" instead of "we're going to take on corporate America to fix things for Americans". Ironically Donald Trump ran on the second and won even if most liberals don't venture outside their media bubble to realize it. Probably something to do with HRC just running endless ads with DJT talking instead of actually saying something positive.
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