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The surest indication that nothing matters in Trump's America:quote:No Charges in Killing of Keith Lamont Scott, Whose Police Encounter Was Videotaped by Wife
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Party Plane Jones posted:The surest indication that nothing matters in Trump's America: This is normal in America, you're not doing anyone favors by over-dramatizing the impacts of the election
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Nov 30, 2016 18:07
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I just think it's silly to point to Sanders as the future of the progressive left. 2016 was not a good measure of the talent pool for left-wing candidates in the United States. Sanders was a better choice than Clinton, but that doesn't make him the right choice. It makes him the better of two options. You know who else was the better of two options? Hillary Clinton.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:07
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FactsAreUseless posted:I just think it's silly to point to Sanders as the future of the progressive left. 2016 was not a good measure of the talent pool for left-wing candidates in the United States. Sanders was a better choice than Clinton, but that doesn't make him the right choice. It makes him the better of two options. You know who else was the better of two options? Hillary Clinton. So what you're saying is Democrats are dumb?  also lol at "Sanders was a better choice but maybe not the right choice" thank you for just posting the argument for protest voters in swing states as if its real
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Nov 30, 2016 18:08
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Party Plane Jones posted:The surest indication that nothing matters in Trump's America: This isn't Trump's America, this is just America.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:08
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When I say "better choice" I mean "more closely aligns with my politics" rather than "more electable," because I think that's a game of hypotheticals that isn't useful.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:08
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FactsAreUseless posted:I just think it's silly to point to Sanders as the future of the progressive left. 2016 was not a good measure of the talent pool for left-wing candidates in the United States. Sanders was a better choice than Clinton, but that doesn't make him the right choice. It makes him the better of two options. You know who else was the better of two options? Hillary Clinton. He himself isn't the future just due to his age. But his policies are.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:08
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mcmagic posted:So I guess Nancy Pelosi gets to be House leader for life no matter what the results of elections are. She's done a good job keeping the Dem minority in line in the House. And the Dems gained seats. Establishment? Sure, but she does her job well.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:09
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FactsAreUseless posted:2016 was not a good measure of the talent pool for left-wing candidates in the United States. Will 2020 be any better?
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Nov 30, 2016 18:09
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FactsAreUseless posted:When I say "better choice" I mean "more closely aligns with my politics" rather than "more electable," because I think that's a game of hypotheticals that isn't useful. What does "he was the better option but not the right choice" mean?
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Nov 30, 2016 18:10
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NewForumSoftware posted:So what you're saying is Democrats are dumb? mcmagic posted:He himself isn't the future just due to his age. But his policies are.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:10
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Trump's really raiding the poo poo out of Goldman Sachs right now with appointments. This is concerning for a variety of reasons but also him nominating Welber Ross is loving atrocious pick for Secretary of Commerce. Like the prisoners have been given the keys to the prison at this point and I can't foresee us having another financial crisis because of these appointments.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:10
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kelvron posted:She's done a good job keeping the Dem minority in line in the House. And the Dems gained seats. If she's willing to get out of the way of progressive reforms and make her primary job to ensure Trump is a one term President she will have my support.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:11
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kelvron posted:She's done a good job keeping the Dem minority in line in the House. And the Dems gained seats. She was a MUCH better speaker than Minority Leader. Glazier posted:If she's willing to get out of the way of progressive reforms and make her primary job to ensure Trump is a one term President she will have my support. She has no power to stop anything Trump does.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:11
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NewForumSoftware posted:Maybe someone like Bernie Sanders? Yep shoving an unpopular candidate down the throat of the democratic party is sure to work the second time around!
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Nov 30, 2016 18:11
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I voted for Obama in the primaries eight years ago and rather unexcitedly voted for Clinton this time. I definitely agree we could have done better this year, and there should have been a bigger field of candidates, but Hillary was still the best choice on the ballot.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:11
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NewForumSoftware posted:What does "he was the better option but not the right choice" mean?
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Nov 30, 2016 18:11
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Party Plane Jones posted:The surest indication that nothing matters in Trump's America:
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Nov 30, 2016 18:11
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FactsAreUseless posted:No, I'm saying looking to Sanders for the future is to extend the Democratic primary into future choices, which means ignoring potentially better candidates. News flash, he can endorse a new candidate and probably will in 2016. quote:Or similar ones, yeah. I think agreeing on what policies should define the mainstream American left going forward is more important than who specifically should represent them right now. Who is saying otherwise? FactsAreUseless posted:I don't know that he's the right choice to represent the left in the future We're talking about his policies, not the person kenner116 posted:I voted for Obama in the primaries eight years ago and rather excitedly voted for Clinton this time. This right here is why the Democrats lost the election fyi
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Nov 30, 2016 18:12
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FactsAreUseless posted:Sorry, that's ambiguously worded. Two different periods of time. I preferred Sanders to Clinton in the primary, but I don't know that he's the right choice to represent the left in the future. He could be, but 2016 didn't present us with a ton of choices. I just don't think we should anoint someone ahead of time, because that's how the Democrats ended up with Clinton. No. They ended up with Clinton because of personality politics. The primary had nothing to do with policy whatsoever.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:13
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FactsAreUseless posted:When I say "better choice" I mean "more closely aligns with my politics" rather than "more electable," because I think that's a game of hypotheticals that isn't useful. That's why I'm voting Cloud Strife of the AVALANCHE Party come 2020. We need a candidate with strong, blond hair.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:14
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Nevvy Z posted:Yeah maybe. ...he said, willfully ignoring all the shady bullshit pulled by the HRC campaign and the DNC.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:14
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FlamingLiberal posted:They should just drop the pretense and admit he died because he was a black man and living Pretty much. I originally thought it was the Walter Scott case when I first saw the article since it was the same state and last name but that hasn't gone for a verdict yet. readingatwork posted:...he said, willfully ignoring all the shady bullshit pulled by the HRC campaign and the DNC. Regardless of whatever they did losing by a couple million votes in the primary means you aren't getting the nomination unless you're saying there was ~primary fraud~ 
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Nov 30, 2016 18:15
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mcmagic posted:She has zero power unlike Schumer so her only job description is "Win More Elections" and she's doing a terrible job of that. minority leader isn't a campaign position, it's a political position, and her heavy support among democrats in congress should point to how well trusted she is to run things there. nancy pelosi successfully kept the democratic minority unified after the 2004 election, and was able to break off enough republican congressmen to save, among other things, social security from being privatized. her success in the house most likely contributed significantly to the 2006 wave election. i'll also point out that she is by no means a centrist. she is consistently left on nearly every vote she's cast or bill she's worked toward, including economic issues.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:15
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mcmagic posted:She was a MUCH better speaker than Minority Leader. Yes she does, she has a national platform. Get out there in every way possible and smack the poo poo out of the GOP at every opportunity. Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Nov 30, 2016 18:15
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NewForumSoftware posted:We're talking about his policies, not the person mcmagic posted:No. They ended up with Clinton because of personality politics. The primary had nothing to do with policy whatsoever.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:15
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FactsAreUseless posted:I was referring to the idea that Clinton was basically party's chosen candidate well before the primary. "I don't think we should anoint someone ahead of time" being the phrase. Not talking about why she was chosen, just that it was clearly a done deal. Venuz Patrol posted:minority leader isn't a campaign position, it's a political position, and her heavy support among democrats in congress should point to how well trusted she is to run things there. It has to be a political position when you have no actual legislative power. Her policy positions, while pretty good, are completely meaningless. Everything she does has to be about winning elections and she has failed miserably at that.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:17
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NewForumSoftware posted:This right here is why the Democrats lost the election fyi I meant to type unexcitedly, but spell check didn't like it. I wasn't a big Clinton fan eight years ago and even briefly entertained voting for McCain if she had beaten Obama (I would have definitely voted for her though).
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Nov 30, 2016 18:17
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FactsAreUseless posted:Then we're just talking past each other, because I'm responding to an argument not being made. Downsides of a forum-based discussion. It helps if you quote the posts you're responding to for this reason. I don't know of anyone who seriously thinks Bernie Sanders is going to run for President in 2020. Beyond that, he can still be part of the party's leadership without being the President and I don't see why you'd be apprehensive to embrace something like that. kenner116 posted:I meant to type unexcitedly, but spell check didn't like it. I wasn't a big Clinton fan eight years ago and even briefly entertained voting for McCain if she had beaten Obama (I would have definitely voted for her though). Why would you vote for her in the primary though? Bernie was a much better choice
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Nov 30, 2016 18:18
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To be honest there seems to be absolutely no one with political talent on the left in any country anywhere in the world at the moment
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Nov 30, 2016 18:20
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Phone posted:That's why I'm voting Cloud Strife of the AVALANCHE Party come 2020. We need a candidate with strong, blond hair. we need more politicians with eco-terrorism experience
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Nov 30, 2016 18:21
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Surprise Giraffe posted:To be honest there seems to be absolutely no one with political talent on the left in any country anywhere in the world at the moment listen here m8 ill have you know that Jeremy Corbyn is a towering colossus of charisma
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Nov 30, 2016 18:22
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Party Plane Jones posted:Pretty much. I originally thought it was the Walter Scott case when I first saw the article since it was the same state and last name but that hasn't gone for a verdict yet. I feel bad for his girlfriend/fiancée today. She somehow managed to keep it together in order to record the whole thing and it didn't matter
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Nov 30, 2016 18:23
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kaleedity posted:we need more politicians with eco-terrorism experience Shinra did Sector 7.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:23
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Surprise Giraffe posted:To be honest there seems to be absolutely no one with political talent on the left in any country anywhere in the world at the moment It's almost as if the traditional institutions that were the base of political support on the left have been systematically destroyed over the past 50 years.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:23
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Yates posted:2020 - George Clooney vs Donald Trump. I've actually said this would be the best chance to beat Trump if the Dems want to punt experience out the window and hope Amal would be a good shadow President. Clooney would easily take back the rust belt states Clinton lost.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:23
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Phone posted:Shinra did Sector 7. TURKS is a Mossad front, get woke you mewling beta www infowars dot com
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Nov 30, 2016 18:25
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Spacebump posted:I've actually said this would be the best chance to beat Trump if the Dems want to punt experience out the window and hope Amal would be a good shadow President. Clooney would easily take back the rust belt states Clinton lost. George Clooney is the poster boy for Hollywood liberal elites that Rust Belt assholes hate so much
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Nov 30, 2016 18:26
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NewForumSoftware posted:Why would you vote for her in the primary though? Bernie was a much better choice Bernie is OK but he wasn't a great candidate.
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kenner116 posted:Bernie is OK but he wasn't a great candidate. I'll be honest I was expecting something pretty superficial and stupid but you really took the cake with this non-explanation.
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