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Brother Friendship posted:Pelosi is good but the leadership roster of House dems is simply too old. They're all over 70, aren't they? Obama had a selling point of being young and, for that matter, so does Little Marco. Youth is a quantifiable asset in politics and should be used to its full effect. This isn't anything that Pelosi herself hasn't realized. Then you transition doofus not blow up
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That Ross Douthat is the one writing the "maybe the Democrats should give up on identity politics" take should tell you something about it. (It should tell you that it is not a position held by the left  )
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After reading his article, I still think that guy is a moron but agree with a couple of his points. I wonder why he didn't touch the gun issue at all. some Democrats who ran as jesuit style christians could help the party. is there really anyone that is turned off by Christian talk that isn't thinly veiled hate speech? I'm not sure if a compassionate christian could win in districts where religion is still a major issue, but they could help soften Republican's positions on the campaign trail. and some change on immigration policy would be good. I think a reasonable position would be to reduce the "skilled workers" we are letting in and offer training to Americans to fill those positions instead. doesn't matter if it actually worked out that way, it would be good campaign rhetoric.
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big black turnout posted:guys have you considered that maybe the democrats need to move.... right?????? love that boy
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I dunno, I kinda... doubt that *laugh track*
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Nov 30, 2016 19:47
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Joementum posted:That Ross Douthat is the one writing the "maybe the Democrats should give up on identity politics" take should tell you something about it. And Mark Lilla too, the most centrist dweeb of all time.
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democrats should not have identity politics..... when they dont have an identity!!!!!!11 
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if Ross Douthat ever tells you to do anything at all you should feel safe and confident doing exactly the opposite of that
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Joementum posted:That Ross Douthat is the one writing the "maybe the Democrats should give up on identity politics" take should tell you something about it. i have no idea who he is i just saw that article title in my google now feed and immediately started getting angry
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loquacius posted:"If the Democratic party moves rightward, corporate interests can ensure a friendly government by making the American people choose between that or an insane fascist dictator, every four years until the end of time!"
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What kind of social services are most likely to get hit hard in the immediate aftermath of the Trumpening? Spare me the nuke jokes please.
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Mr. Jive posted:What kind of social services are most likely to get hit hard in the immediate aftermath of the Trumpening? Spare me the nuke jokes please. How far down the pipe is your definition of immediate? Months, a year?
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Lastgirl posted:democrats should not have identity politics..... you can't defeat what you can't identify source: no one has ever killed a UFO
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All of them?
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the immediate stuff will be anything the executive agencies have control over, so FCC, SEC, FEC, CFPB, etc will all be gutted
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completely unfair that the government has to decide whether a drug is "safe" or "effective", time to let the free market sort that out by gutting the fda too
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Nov 30, 2016 20:24
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Mr. Jive posted:What kind of social services are most likely to get hit hard in the immediate aftermath of the Trumpening? Spare me the nuke jokes please. Paul Ryan wants to gut everything.
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Karl Barks posted:the immediate stuff will be anything the executive agencies have control over, so FCC, SEC, FEC, CFPB, etc will all be gutted Most sure-fire way to turn Dixie blue. 
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Karl Barks posted:in 8 years we'll probably be buying website packages from ATT that dictate which sites we can visit Trump's FCC is absolutely gonna kill net neutrality and we'll be so busy with the death camps etc that we won't even notice
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Karl Barks posted:in 8 years we'll probably be buying website packages from ATT that dictate which sites we can visit see you in the bing.com news comments sections
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I'm sure this'll sound extremely callus but I think it'll take a huge gutting of those social services for the poor rurals to truly feel the effect of their decision and that them voting against their best interests for so long have finally caught up to them. I'm by no means for the FYGM, die in the streets approach but you have people like BOB 4 TRUMP on Twitter or whatever his name is all in for Trump but at the same time screaming to not take away his federal benefits. What the gently caress did you think would happen when you voted for Trump, dude? Obama et al at least fought to keep these benefits in tact, now you have a team that wants to gut it all and I don't know how much power Democrats have to stop it.
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Louisgod posted:I'm sure this'll sound extremely callus but I think it'll take a huge gutting of those social services for the poor rurals to truly feel the effect of their decision and that them voting against their best interests for so long have finally caught up to them. This happened with Brexit too. Republicans have mastered the art of getting poor white people to vote against the interests of everyone but the rich.
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How can we get an adult to take charge of the Democrats' social media presence
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Louisgod posted:I'm sure this'll sound extremely callus but I think it'll take a huge gutting of those social services for the poor rurals to truly feel the effect of their decision and that them voting against their best interests for so long have finally caught up to them. I dated a girl in high school and her dad was a huge conservative. When his business went under he took some food stamps, etc but still hated people that were on them
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eonwe posted:I dated a girl in high school and her dad was a huge conservative. When his business went under he took some food stamps, etc but still hated people that were on them every conservative has a special circumstance why its ok if THEY are on foodstamps
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GalacticAcid posted:How can we get an adult to take charge of the Democrats' social media presence Invite all the people likely to run it to a fish fry and see who shows up
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but, having grown up very immersed in rural Texas, i do not think it will change the average working class rural white voter's views on anything
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comingafteryouall posted:some Democrats who ran as jesuit style christians could help the party. is there really anyone that is turned off by Christian talk that isn't thinly veiled hate speech? Yes. Look up their reactions to Reverend Barber at the DNC. Fulchrum has issued a correction as of 20:42 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Louisgod posted:I'm sure this'll sound extremely callus but I think it'll take a huge gutting of those social services for the poor rurals to truly feel the effect of their decision and that them voting against their best interests for so long have finally caught up to them. They'll double down on Trumpism before they admit they made a mistake.
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eonwe posted:I dated a girl in high school and her dad was a huge conservative. When his business went under he took some food stamps, etc but still hated people that were on them You went out with Craig T. Nelson's daughter? https://youtu.be/yTwpBLzxe4U
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KaptainKrunk posted:They'll double down on Trumpism before they admit they made a mistake. Obama increased the debt so much with Obamacare that Medicare went bankrupt.
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Fulchrum posted:Yes. you got any links to people who didn't love that speech?
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Fulchrum posted:Yes. part of the problem is that christianity as written barely exists in the united states anymore. the tenets of the republican party are the tenets of christianity in most people's minds. ill never forget the time my dad tried to tell me that "teach a man to fish" was something said by the guy that literally gave a bunch of people fish
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Louisgod posted:I'm sure this'll sound extremely callus but I think it'll take a huge gutting of those social services for the poor rurals to truly feel the effect of their decision and that them voting against their best interests for so long have finally caught up to them. Of course! Hopeless and poverty will make these people see reason! *Whistles as I walk by an appalachian rowhouse with 8 occupants and no electricity*
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big black turnout posted:part of the problem is that christianity as written barely exists in the united states anymore. the tenets of the republican party are the tenets of christianity in most people's minds. ill never forget the time my dad tried to tell me that "teach a man to fish" was something said by the guy that literally gave a bunch of people fish Drinking is bad *turns water into wine*
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