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Aphrodite posted:You said that mutants don't have a reason to really seek each other out like LGBTQ people do. Well let's put on our LGBTQ hats and give them one. Hypothetically any human being can have sex with any other human being, laws and morality aside before someone jumps in about consent or incest or whatever else. People obviously have preferences, and it's a vast array of overlapping ones. Saying "mutants die if they gently caress anyone who's not a mutant" and yeah, you certainly give horny mutants a reason to congregate. But... okay, then what? It's been established for 50+ years that mutants can have sexual relations (and marriages and offspring) with other mutants, with humans, with Inhumans, with human clones of mutants, with alien races, with magical beings, demigods, Eternals, demons, etc. "Canon" aside, if the entire goal of this is to make "mutants" a better stand-in for "real world affinity groups" what possible parallel does this have? When you write a story about star-crossed lovers (like the one apparently being set-up between Mutant Bobby Drake and Inhuman Kid in All-New X-Men) there are a hundred different personal experiences you can draw on, from Romeo & Juliet onwards. None of them, to my knowledge involve "look society is pretty okay with the two of you being a couple, but know that if you ever touch each other's dicks, YOU WILL IMMEDIATELY DIE". What's the point of that?
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Hey man this was your idea, no back-pedaling now. (I was suggesting a mock terrible idea akin to "Put on my racism hat".)
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This conversation, much like the x-men, is terrible.
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Lurdiak posted:This conversation, much like the x-men, is terrible. Much like you are posts!!!!!!!
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Aphrodite posted:Hey man this was your idea, no back-pedaling now. EXCEPT NEVER POSTING ABOUT THE lovely OL' X-MEN OR POSTING DUMB poo poo ON THIS CRAPASS loving FORUM AM I RIGHT GUYS, HEH. gently caress COMICS, gently caress TALKING. HEH.
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Endless Mike posted:Much 
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Nov 30, 2016 21:48
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Edge & Christian posted:Fair enough, my idea was less "how do we make mutants more like a real-life group" and more that you shouldn't focus on big societal sweeping stories of tolerance and existential threats or whatever the hell they've been doing ever since House of M and try telling different stories which who knows, maybe they will? But yeah, there is no good solution. Yeah and you're right, but they'll never do that because... they hate us? I've run out of ideas why. That seems most likely.
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Nov 30, 2016 21:50
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Edge & Christian posted:I've written about this at length but the X-Men (and to a large degree the Inhumans) work just fine on a ground level as an allegory for discrimination or prejudice or othering or whatever you want. People not wanting a mutant kid in their child's class, treating co-workers differently upon discovering they're Inhuman, coming out to your parents or peers as ________, all of those work just fine. I think Mutants as People would be a natural response over time to the sorts of restrictive laws the government placed on mutants. Like Bishop or even Rachel's timeline feature worlds with a lot more mutants, that have gone through a lot more poo poo and been forced to interact on the level from which a culture would develop. The status quo for mutants though is generally one which the only groups are the super heroes and villains and everyone else is living far apart and are very different and have no reason to interact. This makes the analogy of higher level prejudice fail (although as you point out, the books have generally been good at portraying the every day prejudice mutants face) as there isn't a Morrison established a mutant status quo where Mutants as People was a lot more believable, but they backed so far off of that, that I think we're back to the point where there isn't a mutant culture which is why these analogies feel so empty. I still think there are a lot of good stories out there detailing how mutants face every day prejudice, but yeah, unless they change the status quo them as a people just isn't really working.
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Endless Mike posted:Maaaaan how you gonna have Bling! and not Rockslide??? tbf the book is specifically about the group of mutants who either can't work as diplomats or have personality or power flaws that keep them from being effective superheroes and Rockslide got over the latter problem in Spider-Man & The X-Men
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Nov 30, 2016 22:21
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Blockhouse posted:tbf the book is specifically about the group of mutants who either can't work as diplomats or have personality or power flaws that keep them from being effective superheroes and Rockslide got over the latter problem in Spider-Man & The X-Men don't put rockslide on any of those teams instead, bring back spider-man and the x-men imo
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Blockhouse posted:tbf the book is specifically about the group of mutants who either can't work as diplomats or have personality or power flaws that keep them from being effective superheroes and Rockslide got over the latter problem in Spider-Man & The X-Men That's actually a cool premise. I don't recognize many of the characters in this, or care about the ones I do recognize, but that seems like a neat idea for a book. Kind of an outcasts among outcasts thing. I might check it out later on MU if I hear good things. Again, never heard of the writer though.
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I'm not really feeling Generation X. The fact that Chamber will be in it is all I really care about. I mean, there are tons of great mutants not being used, but we're getting the spotlight on loving Eye-Boy and once again Quentin Quire who is played out and dull now.
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She's been a colorist for Marvel for a long time (a good one at that!) but I think this might be her first major writing gig. She apparently has a webcomic that's on indefinite hiatus, though.
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howe_sam posted:The timing on Ms. Marvel 13's release is pretty unfortunate. I would've enjoyed it a hell of a lot more before the election. This is exactly how i felt lol So new avengers got an alright send off. It was appropriately hokey Ghost rider maaaay be cool? I liked the backup story but the the main one mashing in hulk and Laura right off the bat has me a little cautious Gla was good and funny and even though there's a lot of the same expression on people faces throughout the book for some reason i just really dig the art Speaking of art, sorrentino didnt do oml which was a bummer and i see that rocafort got moved from ultimates to ivx, a crime for which i will never forgive marvel
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I'd be okay with them going back to Jim Lee X-Men. I liked those teams/stories.
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Manatee Cannon posted:don't put rockslide on any of those teams  site posted:This is exactly how i felt lol Well, in 616 Loki was acting as a spoiler, so theoretically Hillary could be president there.
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Manatee Cannon posted:don't put rockslide on any of those teams I want a Rockslide and Anole book, they are such good bros.
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Manatee Cannon posted:don't put rockslide on any of those teams Kalan is too busy being head writer of the New MST3K I am fine with AvsI, as it was what a 0 issue should be.
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Yvonmukluk posted:
Oh don't get me wrong I thought the story was decent enough, it just was in a book that came out a month too late to be relevant
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Endless Mike posted:She's been a colorist for Marvel for a long time (a good one at that!) but I think this might be her first major writing gig. She apparently has a webcomic that's on indefinite hiatus, though. To go by her Twitter, the reason it's on hiatus is because she's involved with "The Magicians" on Syfy.
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God drat I am totally on board with New/USAvengers right now. Just let Ewing right crazy superspy stuff forever.
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Yeah Ms. Marvel was...depressing. And it's not exactly the sort of issue that would've been all that suitable on November 7th, either; voter registration deadline was nearly a month before that, so all that edumacation comes across particularly  nearly two months after it would've made any difference.I had no idea Amadeus and Laura were gonna pop up in Ghost Rider, so I was actually a pretty tickled to see them. I actually really hope Robbie will end up in Champions at some point...hey, they need a Ghost Rider, right? The lil' backup story was definitely the highlight, though. Dat Tradd Moore art mmmmmmm
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BrianWilly posted:I had no idea Amadeus and Laura were gonna pop up in Ghost Rider, so I was actually a pretty tickled to see them. I actually really hope Robbie will end up in Champions at some point...hey, they need a Ghost Rider, right? I'm p. sure they're going for Yet Another New Fantastic Four Riff and the goop-y thing is going to be the Venom analogue.
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Yeah actually i think i asked this once and then didn't write it down and forgot but which/whose run introduced Robby and isn't there a series with him that's really good (if it's not the same)?
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Roth posted:New Ghost Rider series good for someone that has never read Ghost Rider before? I might suggest just perusing the last run for kicks, though. All-New Ghost Rider from 2014; it's only twelve issues long.
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I'm....not sure I want to read Ms. Marvel this month.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I'm p. sure they're going for Yet Another New Fantastic Four Riff and the goop-y thing is going to be the Venom analogue. Silk's filling in the Spider-Man role according to February's cover
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Manatee Cannon posted:the art is good but it is weirdly out of place. it's not bad or anything, it just feels like some kind of weird edutainment instruction on why you should vote It feels like something that would work so much better if they didn't play it so painfully straight. Especially after how long the recent election period dragged on. Also the issue has no sense of tact or subtly in telling the kids that if enough of you go out and vote, we could have even given Jill Stein the office. It bashes that message into your skull from start to finish along with government corruption. Still the art is nice so it has that going for it.
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Circle of 4 had some of those characters as well so they could take it in that direction.
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Synthbuttrange posted:Man none of these events look good. Marvel hasn't done an event that looked good since maybe Siege
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Onmi posted:Marvel hasn't done an event that looked good since maybe Siege Secret Wars had far more good than bad.
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Rhyno posted:Secret Wars had far more good than bad. True, but it still dragged on a bit too long. Speaking of events people give zero fucks about, is Civil War 2 still going on?
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Hey Rhyno? Your store getting anything like this?
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Y'know, I thought IvX#0 was actually fine, which seemed strange until I realized it was just written by Charles Soule, without Jeff Lemire. Let's hope the rest of the issues, which include Lemire, don't end up faring too badly. In any case, the issue had some intrigue, some nice dialogue...and yet more reasons to want to see these Inhumans shot off this planet in a giant rubber band. It's really too bad that these young NuHumans seem to have been fully indoctrinated by the smarmy ways of the royal family by now, but the only thing to do now is to count our losses and cull the herd before their disease can spread to more enjoyable characters like Kamala and Lunella.
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And on my end? Almost got a bingo
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