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this is brutal Pollyanna posted:I like how Obama was blasted for being black, yet did nothing progressive or helpful for the black community while president. He left them in the dust. All the rage from Reps with none if the benefits for Dems and minorities. All of that becomes his legacy, no matter how it happened. Perception is all most people except wonks care about.
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zegermans posted:Maybe Obama should have just let the entire auto industry fold, I'm sure then we'd all be posting about his great accelerationist vision. there's a future where climate change ends with a giant war and Obama is remembered as the president who could have saved us if he had only allowed the automobile industry to collapse in the United States, allowing for public investment in green-friendly mass transportation.
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comingafteryouall posted:I think we maybe shouldn't just poo poo on Obama constantly since he's still really popular. Just acknowledge he did some good things, the Republicans are going to gently caress them up, and we should do better in the future to make the good things we accomplish permanent. Maybe explain the reason the good things weren't permanent is partly because we didn't go out and vote in off years and we need to do better in the future. Yes, Obama could have done more to build up the party at the state level. But the voters also need to take some responsibility for being disengaged, too. Obama was so loving concerned with being uncontroversial and preserving his "legacy" over actually doing good things (that he had the power to do) that his legacy will end up being the president that did the absolute bare minimum during a recession recovery and let the country slide rear end-backwards into authoritarian nationalism thanks, Obama
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zegermans posted:Maybe Obama should have just let the entire auto industry fold, I'm sure then we'd all be posting about his great accelerationist vision. Maybe. But as it turns out he didn't need to accelerate poo poo in order to end up with the worst possible result.
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Dec 1, 2016 17:42
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zegermans posted:You said literally the only thing Obama had to do to be a great president was legalize it, at which point I determined that you have nothing of value to say further, because your perspective is utterly warped around your addiction. gently caress off, prison-industrial complex apologist
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Dec 1, 2016 17:43
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Some legacy if another guy can undo the majority of it in 100 days
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Dec 1, 2016 17:44
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crazy cloud posted:gently caress off, prison-industrial complex apologist My point was it's stupid to say one single thing makes a president great. Legalized weed would be awesome. If Obama did that and also killed thousands I would not say that makes him a great president.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Some legacy if another guy can undo the majority of it in 100 days when they went low, obama went high
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Al! posted:when they went low, obama went high 
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Dec 1, 2016 17:48
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"when they go low, we go high" will be on the Democratic Party's tombstone we need a gritty reboot of the Democrats
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Serf posted:"when they go low, we go high" will be on the Democratic Party's tombstone Why we need the power rangers movie now more than ever
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Serf posted:"when they go low, we go high" will be on the Democratic Party's tombstone it's called socialism
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"When they go low, we kick them in the face" sounds like a better principle.
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Serf posted:we need a gritty reboot of the Democrats FDR is now crippled because of The War and has machine guns strapped to his wheelchair in case Kaiser Bill ever tries to finish the job.
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Serf posted:"when they go low, we go high" will be on the Democratic Party's tombstone
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So I don't know what's going on in the posts above me because reading anything more than a post every couple pages is anathema, so instead I'm going to post about Texas democrat meetings. I went to the NxNW Democrats meeting in Austin, TX last week, and it was... enlightening. The average age was probably late 40s, with the youngest three people being 28 & 30. Most of them seemed to want to bandy about "Trump won because of racism!". That being said, there was a significant number of new people (half the room had never attended, myself included), and it was nice to see that most of us were the ones to talk instead of the longstanding members. I spoke but was too nervous to say everything I wanted to - I feel like I got at least some of the point across, but hopefully I'll do better in the other meetings I go to. The head of the organization told me after the meeting it was brave of me to stand up and be contrarian so that made me feel pretty good. I also was given a couple business cards to keep in contact and help with volunteering by some of the government workers that showed up to the meeting. I don't think I'm gonna take them up on that yet, but definitely will after the holiday season is over. With that being said, however...  WILLIAMSON COUNTY GOONS I have no idea how many goons reading this thread live in or near Williamson County, TX, but if you do or know someone who does, there are several meetings happening in the next 7 days. Williamson County Young Democrats are meeting Tonight, December 1 @ 6:30PM, located at Third Base, 13301 US-183, Bldg E, Austin, TX 78750. That's just south of the corner of 620 & 183. This is an opportunity to actually be at a meeting where the average age is less than the final score of a football game. Western Williamson County Democrats are meeting on Wednesday, December 7 @ 6:30PM, located at Los Reyes Mexican Restaurant, 13776 U.S. Hwy 183 N, Austin, TX 78750. Williamson County Democratic Party is meeting on Thursday, December 8 @ 6:45PM, located at Allen R Baca Center, 301 Bagdad, Building 2, Round Rock, TX 78664. That's a week from today. This is the really important meeting for Williamson County, it's where they talk about donations, candidacies, etc. and the party leaders for the county (and some from the state) will be there. If you can be there, go to this meeting!
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zegermans posted:My point was it's stupid to say one single thing makes a president great. Legalized weed would be awesome. If Obama did that and also killed thousands I would not say that makes him a great president. Yeah and you made your (((point))) by saying that someones mind is warped by addiction for saying that, when it could also be that they've been imprisoned or know people who have/are imprisoned by a racist "justice" system for possession of a loving flower. MAGA.
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crazy cloud posted:Yeah and you made your (((point))) by saying that someones mind is warped by addiction for saying that, when it could also be that they've been imprisoned or know people who have/are imprisoned by a racist "justice" system for possession of a loving flower. MAGA. Single issue voting is a mental illness no matter your issue.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:*looks forlornly at a box labeled "Franklin Delano Roosevelt", and a stack of papers detailing his scorched earth strategy* I'd love to vote for zombie FDR if we could remove the racism parts of his brain before striking it with lightning
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Basically the new face of the Democrats needs to be Bernie Sanders in a spiked leather jacket riding a motorcycle with a pair of AKs strapped to his back. A man on a quest to avenge the working class.
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Dec 1, 2016 17:58
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zegermans posted:Single issue voting is a mental illness no matter your issue. If you are locked in a cage for posessing a flower I do not believe "let me out of this loving cage you r-bomb creep" is a mental illness, and perhaps a reductionist mindset or an extreme lack of empathy that blinds you to this possibility is a stronger candidate for mental illness, but that's just me
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Syndlig posted:So I don't know what's going on in the posts above me because reading anything more than a post every couple pages is anathema, so instead I'm going to post about Texas democrat meetings. Quoting for visibility and because I miss when this was the central theme of the thread. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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crazy cloud posted:an extreme lack of empathy that blinds you to this possibility is a stronger candidate for mental illness
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Serf posted:Basically the new face of the Democrats needs to be Bernie Sanders in a spiked leather jacket riding a motorcycle with a pair of AKs strapped to his back. A man on a quest to avenge the working class. Hobo with a Shotgun will be reality in 4 years so this is doable.
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Serf posted:"when they go low, we go high" will be on the Democratic Party's tombstone  IPOD READY
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Syndlig posted:So I don't know what's going on in the posts above me because reading anything more than a post every couple pages is anathema, so instead I'm going to post about Texas democrat meetings. 
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docbeard posted:Sanders isn't the only voice out there, but he's got a lot of notoriety (or possibly a different word) and he's really using it well right now. I don't know how he would have done against Trump and I no longer care about the issues I had with him during the primary; he's doing great work right now and we are damned fortunate to have him. That's good, as it can't be all up to Sanders just due to actuarial considerations alone. One thing that stuck with me from Sander's primary run was the open admission that a political movement couldn't be based on one person alone, and emphasizing the need to take back the house to actually do anything. A prerequisite of that is building up a number of strong candidates, who should be lining up right now to score easy hits on the mess that's Trump's incoming administration. Mr. Jive posted:Exactly. Is this approach so hard? This is correct, Trump's presidency is going to offer progressives a lot of opportunities to gain support by loudly and publicly criticizing an administration straight out of the gilded age. It's already started, which is why I thought it was weird that I was only seeing reports about Sanders. It's not like Democrats even need to struggle to find a popular message, if nothing else Trump and Sanders have shown that people are willing to support almost anyone who makes even a half-credible promise to provide stable employment and financial security. The Democrats really shouldn't be losing to Republicans on this point.
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zegermans posted:Single issue voting is a mental illness no matter your issue. Hmm lots of Dems clearly mentally ill as their single issue was "not Trump"
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CubsWoo posted:
would it really have been that hard for James Carville to get a real photo-op with Obama instead of this badly-photoshopped turd
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For real though, Sanders needs to spend some of his popularity talking up younger politicians who align with his views. They gotta exist out there, and as the most prominent voice in the Democrats right now, Sanders should be getting their names and faces out there so we can start building a real bench of progressives that will take up the cause when he's gone.
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komrade keith update: he released his dnc chair platform https://keithfordnc.org/platform/ quote:We must energize Democratic activists across the country and give them the tools to build the Party from the bottom up. Beyond a 50-state strategy, we need a 3,143-county strategy. DNC members are on the front lines in these states and counties, and we must harness your experience and give you a meaningful voice as we set the direction for the Party. In a DNC Chair, you need a partner and an advocate who will ensure you have the resources you need to win. it throws shade at the clinton campaign lol quote:BUILD CAPACITY: Where possible, the DNC should hire internally, rather than hire vendors or consultants, to build Party knowledge and infrastructure.
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Nocturtle posted:That's good, as it can't be all up to Sanders just due to actuarial considerations alone. One thing that stuck with me from Sander's primary run was the open admission that a political movement couldn't be based on one person alone, and emphasizing the need to take back the house to actually do anything. A prerequisite of that is building up a number of strong candidates, who should be lining up right now to score easy hits on the mess that's Trump's incoming administration.  quote:This is correct, Trump's presidency is going to offer progressives a lot of opportunities to gain support by loudly and publicly criticizing an administration straight out of the gilded age. It's already started, which is why I thought it was weird that I was only seeing reports about Sanders. It's not like Democrats even need to struggle to find a popular message, if nothing else Trump and Sanders have shown that people are willing to support almost anyone who makes even a half-credible promise to provide stable employment and financial security. The Democrats really shouldn't be losing to Republicans on this point.
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Zikan posted:komrade keith update: he released his dnc chair platform God, I hope this goes somewhere. Hope is a lie etc, but please.
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Pollyanna posted:It is time for the left wing to get angry and We're mad as hell and we're not gonna take it anymore. With all that that implies.
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reignonyourparade posted:So since we're basically stuck with gerrymandering and voter suppression I was considering what blue states can do to make themselves more blue (which should help in the house a little bit.) People talk about making election day a national holiday but why not just have blue states make it a paid holiday for a cheesy boost to blue-voting demographics. Making election day a holiday will do little to nothing to help the people who have trouble voting because they'll still have to work and a lot of them will even have to work extended hours if it is a holiday.
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Pollyanna posted:It is time for the left wing to get angry and there's diminishing returns at least, you can only siphon the wealth out of the people for so long to the point where they're all eating each other, everyone being too poor to buy your products and as a result your stock prices crash after being the highest they've ever been because apparently that's the only economic factor that matters :iamafag:
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Hmm lots of Dems clearly mentally ill as their single issue was "not Trump" It's not like people choose to have a mental illness.
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So if they reform the DNC completely who will people complain about when 2020's Denis McSanders loses?
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Thoguh posted:Making election day a holiday will do little to nothing to help the people who have trouble voting because they'll still have to work and a lot of them will even have to work extended hours if it is a holiday. Seriously we ought to make voting last for a whole week, with two of those days being paid holidays. The democratic process is literally at the core of our country, it is shameful that we don't give it the respect it deserves. All elections should last a week, too, not just the executive one.
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