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mastershakeman posted:the bears are going to draft a loving qb from notre dame aren't they god damnit The wind whispers "clausen"
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# ? Nov 29, 2016 18:18 |
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# ? May 4, 2024 11:13 |
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Likely not but first round is realistic
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# ? Nov 29, 2016 18:48 |
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Turns out I work with someone who's father was Jabrill Peppers' high school coach and housed Peppers for a year or two. Apparently his family are a bunch of scum bags, which is hilarious considering I just saw a rotoworld blurb about how his mom is sending out these huge packets of questions to vet future agents.
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# ? Nov 30, 2016 22:35 |
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Doltos posted:Turns out I work with someone who's father was Jabrill Peppers' high school coach and housed Peppers for a year or two. Apparently his family are a bunch of scum bags, which is hilarious considering I just saw a rotoworld blurb about how his mom is sending out these huge packets of questions to vet future agents. When he was at Don Bosco or when he was at Paramus Catholic? I can't imagine that a guy from Paramus would ever look down on a family from East Orange.
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# ? Nov 30, 2016 23:04 |
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Alaois posted:I can't imagine that a guy from Paramus would ever look down on a family from East Orange. True, that's important to note. I suppose you take everything with a grain of salt but apparently his home life was bad enough that he had to live with friends and coaches for a while. Apparently he's a good kid so whatever, I just wish sometimes players would vet their parents.
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# ? Nov 30, 2016 23:06 |
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Kiper's latest big board:quote:1. *Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M
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# ? Dec 1, 2016 21:48 |
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Gronk is having back surgery again, so... any good tight ends? Preferably without a history of terrible back problems?
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# ? Dec 1, 2016 21:53 |
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^^ did you watch last year's title game because o.j. howard lit it up only one qb ? gently caress
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# ? Dec 1, 2016 21:57 |
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Dang I want me some Tabor
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# ? Dec 1, 2016 22:05 |
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Njoku at the U is going to wreck poo poo as a TE in the NFL.
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# ? Dec 1, 2016 22:23 |
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Is Jake Butt actually going to be drafted or is he just a funny as gently caress name?
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# ? Dec 1, 2016 22:41 |
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Epi Lepi posted:Is Jake Butt actually going to be drafted or is he just a funny as gently caress name? He's been Michigan's most consistent offensive weapon for the past few years so I'd imagine he'll get a look.
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# ? Dec 1, 2016 22:45 |
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Epi Lepi posted:Is Jake Butt actually going to be drafted or is he just a funny as gently caress name? He is really good
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# ? Dec 1, 2016 23:27 |
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Alaois posted:He's been Michigan's most consistent offensive weapon for the past few years so I'd imagine he'll get a look. can't wait for the panthers to try to turn him into a wide receiver then also fuuuuuck there's no way we're gonna get garrett
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# ? Dec 1, 2016 23:49 |
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mastershakeman posted:^^ did you watch last year's title game because o.j. howard lit it up Take Kiper's rankings with a grain of salt. The man's an actual moron plus we're not even past bowl season yet. This time last year the top QBs were Paxton Lynch, Connor Cook, and Jared Goff and Paxton Lynch was seriously getting talked up in the top 15. Epi Lepi posted:Is Jake Butt actually going to be drafted or is he just a funny as gently caress name? Probably top 50 right now but there are seriously a ton of TEs this year.
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# ? Dec 1, 2016 23:52 |
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Doltos posted:Probably top 50 right now but there are seriously a ton of TEs this year. Is he better than Larry "Hey looks like I should fumble this" Donnell and Will "What's a block" Tye because if so gimme that booty
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# ? Dec 1, 2016 23:58 |
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Doltos posted:Take Kiper's rankings with a grain of salt. The man's an actual moron plus we're not even past bowl season yet. This time last year the top QBs were Paxton Lynch, Connor Cook, and Jared Goff and Paxton Lynch was seriously getting talked up in the top 15. Kiper's hard to read, I believe he does actually care about his job and lives for this poo poo, even if he's memorably wrong in many cases. On the other hand he's never been afraid (and probably has become less so) to willingly put whatever bullshit sources are willing to feed him into his rankings. Either way like every mock draft/big board in the world they're useless until the combine, then slightly less useless after, then worth paying attention to like the day before the draft.
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 00:00 |
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Don't expect Febreeze to draw draft cards for any TEs because he's a jerk who hates TEs
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 00:12 |
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excited for the giants to finally address the tight end position for the first time since black unicorn
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 00:19 |
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a neat cape posted:Don't expect Febreeze to draw draft cards for any TEs because he's a jerk who hates TEs Hunter Henry needs a retroactive card because he is p handsome
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 00:39 |
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HOTLANTA MAN posted:Hunter Henry needs a retroactive card because he is p handsome Same
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 01:06 |
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Grittybeard posted:Kiper's hard to read, I believe he does actually care about his job and lives for this poo poo, even if he's memorably wrong in many cases. On the other hand he's never been afraid (and probably has become less so) to willingly put whatever bullshit sources are willing to feed him into his rankings. Also pretty sure Kiper has to put out super early stuff because its content.
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 01:29 |
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a neat cape posted:Don't expect Febreeze to draw draft cards for any TEs because he's a jerk who hates TEs If he hates tight ends then he would love my mom! ...wait, did I do that right?
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 01:56 |
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Doltos posted:Take Kiper's rankings with a grain of salt. The man's an actual moron plus we're not even past bowl season yet. This time last year the top QBs were Paxton Lynch, Connor Cook, and Jared Goff and Paxton Lynch was seriously getting talked up in the top 15. He was also very high on Wentz from the start. He was his #2 senior QB nearly all of the college season last year nad eventually took the top spot.
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 02:44 |
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wandler20 posted:He was also very high on Wentz from the start. He was his #2 senior QB nearly all of the college season last year nad eventually took the top spot. I was very high on Wentz and called him early on in the season too. Doesn't mean I'm any more right than he was. What irks me about Kiper is that his evaluations are nonsensical. He'll flip flop on opinions or give an example of the players physical talent that isn't being displayed on tape. He'll also quote college stats a lot which irks the gently caress out of me. It just seems so lazy to bring up a RB's YPC or a DE's sack numbers instead of talking about the prospect. It's like he doesn't realize that college football is a completely different monster than professional. Prospects will perform completely based on situations outside of their control. Spread QBs will have insanely high accuracy ratings because they are usually hitting wide open guys on comeback and slant routes. RBs on teams with all 5-star o-linemen are of course going to gash defenses that are made up of 2-4 star d-linemen. Jadeveon Clowney's sack numbers were down his last college season because he was hurt and literally getting triple teamed. Kiper just doesn't take this crap into account when he does those clickbait ranks. Not his fault that he's got bills to pay and made a living based on his own efforts of popularizing the draft. I just think he's a lovely, knee jerk evaluator.
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 04:23 |
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Derek Barnett will be a better pro than Miles Garrett, book it daddio
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 04:41 |
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Demon Of The Fall posted:Derek Barnett will be a better pro than Miles Garrett, book it daddio does he want to open a dinosaur museum though?
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 04:41 |
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jabril peppers isn't even close to being the best guy on his own defense. some idiot rear end gm is going to waste a top 10 pick on this idiot
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 07:24 |
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Grittybeard posted:Kiper's hard to read, I believe he does actually care about his job and lives for this poo poo, even if he's memorably wrong in many cases. On the other hand he's never been afraid (and probably has become less so) to willingly put whatever bullshit sources are willing to feed him into his rankings. Last year someone posted a list of Kiper's mock drafts over the last few years and a "what if" if teams had followed his advice. It was a solid job by him, he knows his poo poo.
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 08:35 |
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Doltos posted:I was very high on Wentz and called him early on in the season too. Doesn't mean I'm any more right than he was. What irks me about Kiper is that his evaluations are nonsensical. He'll flip flop on opinions or give an example of the players physical talent that isn't being displayed on tape. drat Buckle, quite a grain of MY DRAFT BOARD
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 08:44 |
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warcrimes posted:Last year someone posted a list of Kiper's mock drafts over the last few years and a "what if" if teams had followed his advice. It was a solid job by him, he knows his poo poo. Post it again because that'd be fun to see if this is at all true or not entirely subjective Demon Of The Fall posted:Derek Barnett will be a better pro than Miles Garrett, book it daddio Maybe. Garrett is undoubtedly more physically talented but Barnett does all the right stuff. It's comparable to that Clemson situation last year with Shaq Lawson and Kevin Dodd. Garrett's first step looks like young Demarcus Ware and he has the strength to translate it to the next level. Barnett's a technician that can man gaps, close out the flats, stunt, rush the passer, or play the spy on the RB. He just seems not outstandingly athletic or quick though, and he does get lost on bigger blockers like in the Bama game. I like Barnett but I just really like Garrett and am really excited to watch him in the NFL. Oh and both were beat up by Cam Robinson sooo Doltos fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Dec 2, 2016 |
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Doltos posted:Post it again because that'd be fun to see if this is at all true or not entirely subjective http://www.phillyvoice.com/your-teams-first-round-picks-if-mel-kipers-initial-mock-drafts-were-100-accurate/
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 19:26 |
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ulmont posted:http://www.phillyvoice.com/your-teams-first-round-picks-if-mel-kipers-initial-mock-drafts-were-100-accurate/ Looks like a 50/50 or even worse bust to success rate for most teams which is bad considering how they only listed first round picks that were consensus top 150 players at the time of selection: Kiper posted:Eagles - LB Navorro Bowman, OT Gabe Carimi, LB Luke Kuechly, CB Dee Milliner, WR Kelvin Benjamin, CB Marcus Peters. Eagles get a great LB, bust OT, great LB, bust CB, ok WR, great CB. Cowboys get a bust OT, ok CB, good OG, bust OG, ok S, and ok DT. Giants get a good DE, a good C, a bust OT, bust DE, ok LB, ok OG. Redskins get Bradford then set up their #1 pick with Cam Newton next year followed by a turnaround bust CB and a bust DE. I could go through every division but I hope you guys are getting the point that Kiper is no better than a coin flip. Doltos fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Dec 2, 2016 |
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Doltos posted:I could go through every division but I hope you guys are getting the point that Kiper is no better than a coin flip. Do the NFC South. I'm pretty sure both Kiper and a coin flip are better than the actual GMs.
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 20:59 |
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For example: Saints, Kiper: DT Jared Odrick, LB Justin Houston, DT Johnathan Hankins, OT Antonio Richardson, DE Vic Beasley. versus. Saints, Loomis: DE Cameron Jordan, DT Akiem Hicks [note, 3rd round for reasons], SS Kenny Vaccaro, WR Brandin Cooks, T Andrus Peat ...actually that does look better for Loomis than I thought, but the Kiper list looks pretty good too.
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 21:03 |
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Bears Kiper: CB Aaron Williams, WR Michael Floyd, TE Tyler Eifert, DT Timmy Jernigan, S Landon Collins. that's a lot loving better than what the bears drafted
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 21:23 |
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mastershakeman posted:Bears Kiper: Well, at least there would be 4 more players for Cutler to throw to in practice if those were the choices.
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 21:37 |
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Chiefs: OT Russell Okung, DT Stephen Paea, DT Devon Still, OT Luke Joeckel, DE Stephen Tuitt, Dorial Green-Beckham. uh..... I think please don't listen to Kiper ever, thx.
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 21:38 |
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Niners gonna manage to miss the number one pick and waste their pick anyway because nothing matters anymore.
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 22:06 |
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# ? May 4, 2024 11:13 |
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Again I think most people have a coinflip success rate at predicting prospects because prospects fail or succeed based on a myriad of reasons. What I don't like about Kiper is that his reasoning behind prospect rankings seem to be entirely click bait and influenced by media opinion, often his own in a desperate attempt to sound like he has exclusive information.
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# ? Dec 2, 2016 22:10 |