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sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Serf posted:

To be fair he is crushing it on Black Panther.

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Venuz Patrol
Mar 27, 2011

Chwoka posted:

You're dead wrong, this response stinks. I mean, I like it, I agree with it — but CNN put out a hit piece on this man. They went low, and he went high. Bad move. Remember that when you're defending, you're losing.

A better strategy might have been to deflect, something with the central message of: "The biased media is attempting to smear me with 30-year-old lies about anti-semitism and homophobia. Meanwhile, Donald Trump is stuffing his cabinet with Neo-Nazis!" Or better yet, some fresher, more controversial claim. I'll go as far as to say it wouldn't even have to be true! Say your political opponent was literally in the Klan, that gets your talking head on the news and now it's up for debate, implicitly legitimate, and they're the ones that have to defend themselves. Maybe that's not smart at all and could easily backfire, I'm not a politician or strategist. (Going all negative doesn't win elections even when your opponent is an actual, confirmed Klansman after all, otherwise David Duke would have never won any office.) But that's exactly the type of strategy that makes it essentially a truism that Republicans are better at politics.

lol

deflection, high-roading, whatever- it doesn't matter what tack you take, whether or not it works depends on whether or not the speaker is effective. and keith ellison has good charisma

the actual right response is the response your party base is looking for, and the party base (at least ellison's share of it, certainly) is currently looking for policy. the high road is here to stay

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/804432339640037376

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

was gonna post this because lolllllll

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

:drat:

Can we please find a time machine and kidnap this man when he was 20 years younger?

Serf
May 5, 2011


weren't we saying last week that the Democratic party should focus less of laying down sick burns on Twitter

A+ burn tho

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007



WarMECH
Dec 23, 2004

:wow:

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
I love Bernie so much

And the most I can say is that I was within 30 feet of him one time.

Studio
Jan 15, 2008



Serf posted:

weren't we saying last week that the Democratic party should focus less of laying down sick burns on Twitter

A+ burn tho

It's at least more topical than delete your account

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Alter Ego posted:

:drat:

Can we please find a time machine and kidnap this man when he was 20 years younger?

He didn't reach Super Socialist level until few years ago tho.

No one's voting for Rabbi Manishevitz

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bernie taking ques from Lenin on Ex

Hail Mr. Satan!
Oct 3, 2009

by zen death robot

loquacius posted:

Aaron Burr is basically depicted as an empty-suit machine politician (a detail which eludes all the establishment Democrats who are obsessed with the show for some reason) and his go-to advice for an up-and-coming politician is "Talk less, smile more, don't let them know what you're against and what you're for."

Have you considered establishment Dems likely saw Burr as the hero, because at the end of the day, he slew his political enemy?

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

It's not even democrats, it's exclusively people that can afford $750 tickets, aka the vampiric 1%

https://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-Ori...lton+soundtrack

ONE PERCENTERS

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

Serf posted:

weren't we saying last week that the Democratic party should focus less of laying down sick burns on Twitter

A+ burn tho

I hate all types of twitter burns and this is no exception

Sorry Bernie's new intern

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
https://twitter.com/historyinflicks/status/804009308035944448

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Using the enemy's tools against him

Bernie Sarumanders

UHD
Nov 11, 2006


it's only okay to lay sick burns on twitter if you're bernie sanders

everyone else can gently caress right off

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Seeing American Zionist organizations mount this fierce attack on Keith Ellison and not Donald trump makes be wonder if they care more about Israel than they do about their own personal safety from actual nazi antisemites in their own countries.

Like, is their fanaticism so deep for Israel that they'd rather have themselves led into camps rather than allow someone critical of that lovely country but also who's looking out for their own safety and well being in a multi racial society ever reach positions of influence?!

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

UHD posted:

it's only okay to lay sick burns on twitter if you're bernie sanders

everyone else can gently caress right off

he gets a pass because y'know hes actually doing stuff rn

100 degrees Calcium
Jan 23, 2011



UHD posted:

it's only okay to lay sick burns on twitter if you're bernie sanders

everyone else can gently caress right off

The only politicians allowed to lay sick burns on twitter are the ones who have performed 8+ hours-long filibusters about the plight of the working class.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

i don't really give a poo poo what she is doing as long as she keeps her hands out of the party.

Serf
May 5, 2011


anime was right posted:

he gets a pass because y'know hes actually doing stuff rn

fair enough

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Al-Saqr posted:

Seeing American Zionist organizations mount this fierce attack on Keith Ellison and not Donald trump makes be wonder if they care more about Israel than they do about their own personal safety from actual nazi antisemites in their own countries.

Like, is their fanaticism so deep for Israel that they'd rather have themselves led into camps rather than allow someone critical of that lovely country but also who's looking out for their own safety and well being in a multi racial society ever reach positions of influence?!

"Japan forms alliance with white supremacists in well thought out scheme"

Serf
May 5, 2011


Venom Snake posted:

i don't really give a poo poo what she is doing as long as she keeps her hands out of the party.

I think the point here is "look at who is actually trying to get important poo poo done"

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

:thurman:

Sassy Maple Grandpa :allears:

HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.

Serf posted:

I think the point here is "look at who is actually trying to get important poo poo done"

what would you have HRC do right now, honestly? if I was a DNC decisionmaker, I wouldn't want her giving me a single drat shred of advice. or speaking.

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

"I don't get why we lost!!!"

Turdfuzz
Jul 23, 2008

bernie on a roll just like sprung into action instead of making GBS threads his pants

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

Serf posted:

I think the point here is "look at who is actually trying to get important poo poo done"

sure but it's time to move on. Bernie is a sitting Senator and Hillary is gone forever. I have no need or desire for her to try and assert herself as the leader of the Democratic Party.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Serf posted:

I think the point here is "look at who is actually trying to get important poo poo done"

Bernie doing good things is good because thats what he's doing. It's not a brutal own on hillary that she has checked out when thats what everyone wants her to do.

Turdfuzz
Jul 23, 2008

trump won and bernie coulda just died or somethin but instead he chose to fight which is p nuts
very inspiring

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006


I don't understand, would you prefer Hillary Clinton currently take a more active role in having the party recover?

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
You guys have some short memories. There was no real problem with sick burns in this thread, although some were not keen on on them. It was weak burns that were roundly criticized.

Sick burns are still okay. Weak burns are bad.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

zegermans posted:

I don't understand, would you prefer Hillary Clinton currently take a more active role in having the party recover?

They probably want her to do for Bernie what Bernie did for her after he lost the primary : make the rounds building support for him and his plans.

Probably admit that she was wrong and Bernie was right.

Personally not a fan of that, mind you

Mister Fister
May 17, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
KILL-GORE


I love the smell of dead Palestinians in the morning.
You know, one time we had Gaza bombed for 26 days
(and counting!)

zegermans posted:

I don't understand, would you prefer Hillary Clinton currently take a more active role in having the party recover?

I think it highlights why Clinton was a problem candidate in the first place.

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe
"I just wish Hillary would leave politics forever!!"

* a couple of weeks pass *

"Why isn't Hillary doing more political stuff??"

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

GlyphGryph posted:

They probably want her to do for Bernie what Bernie did for her after he lost the primary : make the rounds building support for him and his plans.

Probably admit that she was wrong and Bernie was right.

Personally not a fan of that, mind you

I was about to say something like "it'd do a lot to help mend the cracks in the party right now if she publicly supported him" and then I remembered he publicly supported her and it didn't actually change very much

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


GlyphGryph posted:

They probably want her to do for Bernie what Bernie did for her after he lost the primary : make the rounds building support for him and his plans.

Probably admit that she was wrong and Bernie was right.

Personally not a fan of that, mind you

Suddenly she remembers "it's the economy, stupid"

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LGD
Sep 25, 2004

GlyphGryph posted:

You guys have some shot memories. No one had a serious problem with sick burns, although some were neutral on them. It was weak burns that were roundly criticized.

Sick burns are still okay. Weak burns are bad.

Eh, it was also that sick burns are still a very poor substitute for actual advocacy and action, and are generally ineffective because they're often at best preaching to the choir and frequently are actually counterproductive because they're rooted in things like coded class/cultural assumptions.

That doesn't mean they're not still fun, especially if they're being made by someone who is actually doing the work and whose burn isn't predicated on that sort of divisive rhetoric.

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