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Phi230 posted:but what evidence do you have that he actually did literally anything to said rocket chariot Obi-Wan doesn't live in the desert. He doesn't live on Tattooine at all! He just happened to be visiting that valley the day Luke got attacked. This is fascinating.
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Phi230 posted:Do you really think Disney will ever release a movie with any close association to a trilogy with an overwhelmingly negative public perception? Do you think Disney wants to emulate hot garbage? No, but I do think they will release movies with a close association to good, well reviewed and profitable movies like the Star Wars Prequels. If you're holding out for a Howard The Duck sequel though, I'm guessing you're poo poo outta luck.
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Phi230 posted:So having certain expectations about certain products is asking to be placated? That's pretty hosed dude When I first saw In Bruges, I was expecting a Snatch-like comic-romp with a lot of violence and bad jokes, rather than a sombre, meditative film on life and death. While the film certainly has its funny and absurd moments, it is tonally completely different from a lite action-crime comedy. Who is at fault here, me, or Martin McDonagh? I enjoyed it much more the second time, when I understood what it was trying to do, and judged it on its own merits. It's really a fantastic film, if you haven't seen it.
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Equeen posted:completely missing the point AND throwing in a needless autism joke. exhibit A with strawman selective hearing bullshit wheres the autism joke and what point did I miss? Star Wars is not supposed to be explained in technobabble like Star Trek. And explaining the technological and scientific details of minutia =!= telling a story relevant to the plot of an existing movie dont be dumb
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Toph Bei Fong posted:When I first saw In Bruges, I was expecting a Snatch-like comic-romp with a lot of violence and bad jokes, rather than a sombre, meditative film on life and death. While the film certainly has its funny and absurd moments, it is tonally completely different from a lite action-crime comedy. Yes, but even when you know what you're getting from the prequels, they are full of horrible acting, bizarre plot delivery, awful pacing and uncompelling characters. You can't seperate a person from their visceral reaction to these things, even if the prequels have some interesting ideas and fun moments (And I think they do!), they squander them with the general delivery. From what I've seen this isn't just expectation management from the OT either. Anecdotally, I've met a few people whose first star wars was Ep1, and in every case they bailed on the series at this point.
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Dec 2, 2016 21:24
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Jewmanji posted:Please cite an example of "Star-Trek esque sperg explanations on minutia" in the prequels, whatever that means. Basebf555 posted:You threw him a softball, now all he's gotta do is play the midiclorians card! Check and mate.
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Dec 2, 2016 21:23
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Maxwell Lord posted:I don't think there's anything wrong with approaching the Star Wars films as modern-day Flash Gordon adventures- that's obviously what Lucas was doing to start with. I completely agree with this. It's also the reason a lot of people don't seem to like Temple of Doom even though Willie is an exact replica of serial damsels in distress and its awesome.
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I think that's because near-constant shrieking is not entertaining, no matter what venerable tradition of constant shrill goddamn racket you're paying tribute to.
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Toph Bei Fong posted:When I first saw In Bruges, I was expecting a Snatch-like comic-romp with a lot of violence and bad jokes, rather than a sombre, meditative film on life and death. While the film certainly has its funny and absurd moments, it is tonally completely different from a lite action-crime comedy. This is excused because In Bruges is of equal or superior quality to Snatch In Star Wars prequels terms, I expected Star Wars, but got a demonstrably different product of inferior value maybe i can sue lucas for breach of contract under the ucc
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Ah, a sovcit. That explains so much.
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Phi230 posted:exhibit A with strawman selective hearing bullshit lmao you called me a misogynist for being disappointed by the lack of non-white women in Star Wars movies. Granted, you apologized but you sure were quick to defend a SW prequel... quote:
"sperg" comes from "Asperger's syndrome"; it's just a lovely way to use autism as an insult. No one is saying that SW should have technobabble like ST. You were the one who claimed that the PT had such a trait and you have yet to cite some examples. edit: oh, you used a poster's joke about midiclorians as evidence. wow, i'm blown away. Equeen fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Dec 2, 2016 |
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"Midi-chlorians are a microscopic life form that resides within all living cells. We are symbionts with them, life forms living together for mutual advantage. Without the midi-chlorians life cannot exist, and we would have no knowledge of the force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the force." Sorry if these four sentences ruined Star Wars for you. The degree to which the word "midi-chlorians" has become a shibboleth against the prequels is perplexing, to say the least. It's just critical shorthand for people who didn't want to engage with the movies beyond "wahhh where's my Death Star".
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Jewmanji posted:"Midi-chlorians are a microscopic life form that resides within all living cells. We are symbionts with them, life forms living together for mutual advantage. Without the midi-chlorians life cannot exist, and we would have no knowledge of the force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the force." hell yeah it ruins star wars it just destroyed the main theme of the force: mystery/mysticism in an attempt to scientifically explain it any attempt to scientifically explain ANYTHING in star wars is misguided because Star Wars is not science fiction
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Phi230 posted:
In Star Wars prequels terms, I expected Star Wars, and what I got was Star Wars.
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The main "theme" of the force is not "mystery". You typed words, but they don't make any sense at all in the order you typed them. The way you string words together is bizarre. Force = mystery! Microscopic = science! Lucas = bad! Prequels = sperg!Phi230 posted:any attempt to scientifically explain ANYTHING in star wars is misguided because Star Wars is not science fiction How dare Lucas make it so that Boba Fett sounds like he's walking with cowboy spurs, that ruins everything about Star Wars! Any attempt to explain ANYTHING in star wars as being like an old Western is misguided because Star Wars is not a western. And while we're at it, how dare he gives the Death Star an exhaust port! This isn't science fiction! Space stations don't need to be ruined by having the ins and outs explained! So much techno-babble gently caress you Lucas. Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Dec 2, 2016 |
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Jewmanji posted:The main "theme" of the force is not "mystery". You typed words, but they don't make any sense at all in the order you typed them. The way you string words together is bizarre. Force = mystery! Microscopic = science! Lucas = bad! Prequels = sperg! The quote you posted was less "long exposition from a hard sci-fi work" and more "fantasy bullshit". Y'know, Stars Wars! Seriously, I don't think AOTC and ROTS even mentioned midiclorians.
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Equeen posted:The quote you posted was less "long exposition from a hard sci-fi work" and more "fantasy bullshit". Y'know, Stars Wars! Seriously, I don't think AOTC and ROTS even mentioned midiclorians. Palpatine mentions the manipulation of midichlorians in ROTS for the purpose of creating life. Y'know, like science. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05dT34hGRdg Christ why didn't he just get out a white board to diagram this hard-science bullshit. What is this, Primer? Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Dec 2, 2016 |
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Star Wars is as much science fiction as Isaac Asimov's Foundation series. Or 2001: A Space Odyssey. Or Joanna Russ's The Two of Them. Or Connie Willis's To Say Nothing Of The Dog.
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ShineDog posted:Yes, but even when you know what you're getting from the prequels, they are full of horrible acting, bizarre plot delivery, awful pacing and uncompelling characters. I'm not about to go around in circles arguing about whether the acting was horrible, but I'm actually curious: what about the "plot delivery" do you think was bizarre?
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Zoran posted:I'm not about to go around in circles arguing about whether the acting was horrible, but I'm actually curious: what about the "plot delivery" do you think was bizarre? Why is it called a Republic when it appears to be an intergovernmental organization like the United Nations? Why does a corporate conglomerate appoint representatives to it? How do they not even know whether or not the blockade and the invasion are real? It doesn't make sense. Why are the Jedi the "keepers of the peace" for a huge galactic civilization they don't have the manpower to police? Why are they so passive about issues like slavery on the fringes of civilization? Most glaringly, why does Yoda end up accepting command of a clone army that shows up out of nowhere, funded by unknown sources, commissioned by a dead man? It doesn't make sense. Being a teenager at the time, I figured Lucas must be some kind of idiot savant. Now, realizing that these elements don't just make their way into movies by accident, I find it intriguing. Why are the Jedi so intellectually lazy? Why does a megacorporation get to appoint legislators?
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Red posted:I have never disagreed more with any post on these Awful forums. Eh, I think the performances in the PT are almost universally bad so McDiarmid looked amazing by comparison.
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The other side of this coin is the kind of revisionist history that people invoke when they say that anything good that happened in the OT was inadvertent or the result of Lucas' collaborators, and that the simplest explanation for people's distaste of the prequels is that he was always a hack being propped up by talented editors/directors/etc, and when he finally achieved UNLIMITED POWER he was unable to fool us anymore. I never subscribed to that nonsense, but I have to admit I was pretty shocked by some of Cnut the Great's posts that showed just how thoroughly Lucas was in control of everything, right down to crude sketches for the design of the X-Wing.
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Jewmanji posted:The main "theme" of the force is not "mystery". You typed words, but they don't make any sense at all in the order you typed them. The way you string words together is bizarre. Force = mystery! Microscopic = science! Lucas = bad! Prequels = sperg! You are the one person who misses the point of star wars more than any prequel person in this thread
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Phi230 posted:You are the one person who misses the point of star wars more than any prequel person in this thread And you smell like a chemical plant fire which has spread to a landfill. Maybe you could offer explanations, if it wouldn't overtax your brain any.
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Phi230 posted:You are the one person who misses the point of star wars more than any prequel person in this thread Sometimes your detachment from reality blows my mind.
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Brainiac Five posted:And you smell like a chemical plant fire which has spread to a landfill. Maybe you could offer explanations, if it wouldn't overtax your brain any. I owe no explanation to idiots who are incapable of seeing simple things like Star Wars as a fantasy work, or fail to see themes such as mysticism in star wars
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He was a one-eyed, one-horned, giant purple prequel people...
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UmOk posted:Sometimes your detachment from reality blows my mind. The prequels are not star wars and those that like them are incapable of being star wars fans they also have absolutely poo poo taste in movies
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Phi230 posted:I owe no explanation to idiots who are incapable of seeing simple things like Star Wars as a fantasy work, or fail to see themes such as mysticism in star wars So why are you posting, since you're only here to publicly masturbate? Do that in the privacy of your own home, grossness.
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Brainiac Five posted:So why are you posting, since you're only here to publicly masturbate? Do that in the privacy of your own home, grossness. did I ever claim you or others to be idiots? No my express implication is that one guy Jewmanji is a dumbass because I specifically stated things that apply to him IE failure to spot themes, failure to see genre
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Phi230 posted:did I ever claim you or others to be idiots? No my express implication is that one guy Jewmanji is a dumbass because I specifically stated things that apply to him IE failure to spot themes, failure to see genre Motherfucker, you just said you won't discuss anything unless people already agree with you. You also post nothing but gibes. You're just jacking it to how clever you are. Cease your self-abuse where people can see you.
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Phi230 posted:did I ever claim you or others to be idiots? No my express implication is that one guy Jewmanji is a dumbass because I specifically stated things that apply to him IE failure to spot themes, failure to see genre Phi230 posted:Everything and everything about the prequels is trash for babies and if you disagree you are literally mentally handicapped Here, in regards to my "failure to see genre", I think you should read this article, it is good and fun and interesting and maybe will distract you from ruining this thread for five minutes with your tantrums: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/cover_story/2015/12/star_wars_is_a_pastiche_how_george_lucas_combined_flash_gordon_westerns.html
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Phi230 posted:The prequels are not star wars and those that like them are incapable of being star wars fans Ahhhhh. Pack it in prequel fags! You have been officially corn-cobbed!
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Phi230 posted:The prequels are not star wars  my copies are Star Wars. Says so right on the disc.
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Brainiac Five posted:Motherfucker, you just said you won't discuss anything unless people already agree with you. You also post nothing but gibes. You're just jacking it to how clever you are. Cease your self-abuse where people can see you. Im not clever this poo poo is like what everybody already knows. Basic poo poo
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UmOk posted:Ahhhhh. Pack it in prequel fags! You have been officially corn-cobbed! What do you even know about corn cobs
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Phi230 posted:Im not clever this poo poo is like what everybody already knows. Basic poo poo No, I don't think that everybody knows that sci-fi is whatever definition you made up. In fact, your absence-of-a-stated-definition suggests that a lot of indisputably sci-fi novels and movies are actually fantasy novels and movies.
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Phi230 posted:What do you even know about corn cobs That you are slowing shrinking and becoming one.
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Brainiac Five posted:No, I don't think that everybody knows that sci-fi is whatever definition you made up. In fact, your absence-of-a-stated-definition suggests that a lot of indisputably sci-fi novels and movies are actually fantasy novels and movies. star wars is absolutely fantasy and this is a widely held and acknowledged idea
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