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blugu64 posted:Shutup they might hear you They have that already, its called the Texas Edition. 
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Laserface posted:it is lovely that leather is seen as objectively better than cloth for some bizarre reason when it really is a personal preference. Yeah I kind of wanted the GT trim on my Mazda 3 but I didn't want leather.
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Laserface posted:it is lovely that leather is seen as objectively better than cloth for some bizarre reason when it really is a personal preference. I'm old so I grew up in a lot of 60's/70's American cars that had slide all over the place vinyl/cloth seats, so nice leather seats have been a big deal here especially the last 20 years or so (even though modern leather is barely leather and mostly fake anyway). I know people with dogs/kids especially want leather in order to blow out fur/lucky charms/barf and to be able to wipe them down - since they aren't really "leather" anyway. On something like a F-150/Silverado there is nothing sadder than seeing the used versions with their saggy/stained/farty cloth drivers seats.   I agree about cloth seats being great though and if I ordered a new M3 I'd think about the secure, gripping cloth seats......but would ultimately go for leather just because of re-sale and any possible "smells like leather" gains.
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So I had a Jeep Renegade Trailhawk as a rental this week. For some reason I enjoyed it despite the massive roof pillars, the horrendous paint job, and the rocks in a blender powertrain backed by a transmission that was always in the wrong gear. The removable roof was pretty clever and amazingly didn't leak, squeak, or rattle. If I were buying one, it would be the most basic stripped down version with a manual transmission and the removable roof. And I'm sure I could pick a used one up for next to nothing.
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 Next gen Camry is going to take the Prius design language to a new level.
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Throatwarbler posted:
Dat quarter looks real good.
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Throatwarbler posted:
Kind of hard to picture the whole car from that but I'm guessing it'll be absolutely hideous. Ugh, that ridge on the pillar.
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Toyota has really gone from bland and boring to visually offensive. They're copying the worst aspects of Lexus design without any of the good, and then slapping it on boringmobiles. They're still going to sell a jillion of them, so we all have to look at them. 
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Throatwarbler posted:
It wouldn't look bad but there's a big vent thing that goes through the light and the car and space and time. It's like Toyota took a good-looking car and decided adding vents to all the places would make it sell more.
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CornHolio posted:It wouldn't look bad but there's a big vent thing that goes through the light and the car and space and time. It's like Toyota took a good-looking car and decided adding vents to all the places would make it sell more. like people that slap the fake vents all over the side of their vehicle
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So basically they're taking the existing design language and attacking it with a weedwacker.
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I think the designer dropped the clay model on his way to the final design meeting, and the bosses just said "gently caress it, yeah, whatever, just build it, camry drivers will buy literal dog poo poo if it has a camry badge on it"
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I could probably easily find the info myself, but how are the new Priuseseses moving? I thankfully don't see a ton of them and I hope they're ugly enough to have killed a bit of sales momentum. I doubt it, but there's hope!
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fknlo posted:I could probably easily find the info myself, but how are the new Priuseseses moving? I thankfully don't see a ton of them and I hope they're ugly enough to have killed a bit of sales momentum. I doubt it, but there's hope! Apparently Toyota sold 781 Prius Primes in November. Most places seem to think that's a pretty good result.
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The gas Prius is down 26%, like everything else that isn't a truck or crossover.
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devtesla posted:The gas Prius is down 26%, like everything else that isn't a truck or crossover. Yeah, according to Toyota's full release, Priuses as a full model line are selling like day old, under cooked, gluten-free pancakes. 
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devtesla posted:The gas Prius is down 26%, like everything else that isn't a truck or crossover. The gas Prius is also more expensive than the Prius Prime because of federal tax incentives, so I have no idea why anybody is buying a gas Prius at all.
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im the 1533% increase in sales
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Deteriorata posted:Yeah, according to Toyota's full release, Priuses as a full model line are selling like day old, under cooked, gluten-free pancakes. Ahh stop you're making my mouth water. Anyway, Jalopnik was already thinking what I was thinking. http://jalopnik.com/toyota-teases-the-2018-camry-dent-1789574370
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September midsize premium sedan sales in Continental Europe with % change: Mercedes-Benz C-Class 4.300 -16% BMW 3-Series 3.033 +11% Audi A4 2.091 +55% Alfa Romeo Giulia 1.718 New Jaguar XE 845 -26% Volvo S60 503 -19% Lexus IS 340 +28% Infiniti Q50 209 +32% http://left-lane.com/european-sales-2016-q1-q3-premium-midsized-segment/
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Now that GM is getting away from body cladding and factory *vents*, Honda and Toyota are proudly picking up the mantle of 'overstyled poo poo'. There's a guy with a new civic hatchback in my neighborhood, and I really want to like it, but JFC Honda, maybe let the guys who did the 7th gen civic, 6th gen Accord, and the S2000 take over again. Also, how often does Toyota re-style the Camry? I thought it was every 5-7 years and it seems like they've had a new version every other year.
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Did a little spread sheet to compare how the new Fiat Spider is impacting Miata sales. I won't post the whole thing, but here's the summary: Sales in North America (US + Can) from June through November 2016, 2463 Spiders 4692 Miatas Total between them: 7155 Fiats are roughly 34% of Miata sales thus far. From June through November of 2015, there were 6073 Miatas sold. So the new Fiat has partially cannibalized Miata sales, but the combination of them is +18% YoY, so the partnership seems to be working thus far.
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Deteriorata posted:Did a little spread sheet to compare how the new Fiat Spider is impacting Miata sales. I won't post the whole thing, but here's the summary: I wonder what the actual licensing agreement is between them? Lump sum for the chassis design, or percentage of every unit sold?
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Finger Prince posted:I wonder what the actual licensing agreement is between them? Lump sum for the chassis design, or percentage of every unit sold? The engines are supplied by Fiat, but everything else is made on-site by Mazda, even if to Fiat specs. They're all coming off the same assembly line in Hiroshima, and Mazda makes multiple models of its own cars on the line. So it's all just putting parts together for them. I would guess they get a cash reimbursement from Fiat for each one made. That would be the easiest way of handling it. So more cars sold = more money for Mazda, regardless of the badge on them.
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Finger Prince posted:I wonder what the actual licensing agreement is between them? Lump sum for the chassis design, or percentage of every unit sold? I would imagine that Fiat contributed some money to the overall development and then pays a certain amount per car produced.
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So its less Fix It Again Tony and more Fix It Again Takashi?
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I thought the big difference was the turbocharged Fiat-Chrysler engine so you can probably still blame Tony for most things that are gonna go real wrong with the Fiata
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Monkey Fracas posted:I thought the big difference was the turbocharged Fiat-Chrysler engine so you can probably still blame Tony for most things that are gonna go real wrong with the Fiata 1000 miles so far on mine and not so much as a CEL. Knock on wood.
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Deteriorata posted:1000 miles so far on mine and not so much as a CEL. Knock on wood. 1000 miles??   Reminds me of an eBay ad I saw once for an old Lotus Europa that contained the line "this is a very reliable Europa. I would feel completely confident taking it on a 100-mile drive."
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Keyser S0ze posted:Even though you can get aftermarket leather seats (Katzkin, or even dealer installed oem) in your F-150/Silverado/Tahoe/Yukon most people want them stock and will go way up the trim levels to get them. I'd like to see the XLT and Lariat merged with the difference being leather, because I could take it or leave it, but the only way to get 4Auto and keyless entry is with a lariat and to get LED headlights, the 360* camera system, lane keeping, and/or adaptive cruise is with the fuckoff expensive top level Lariat package (or above). ilkhan fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Dec 4, 2016 |
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Why are you talking about wanting to buy a pickup truck in the hipster car forum?
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Liking things hipsters hate is the most hipster thing of all.
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KillHour posted:Why are you talking about wanting to buy a pickup truck in the hipster car forum?
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ilkhan posted:Because I don't give a poo poo what they like. And a truck is more useful for carrying poo poo around than my Mustang. I know I'm replacing it this year, haven't decided if I want to go truck or tesla 3 (and yeah, I know those are totally different categories).
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ilkhan posted:Because I don't give a poo poo what they like. And a truck is more useful for carrying poo poo around than my Mustang. I know I'm replacing it this year, haven't decided if I want to go truck or tesla 3 (and yeah, I know those are totally different categories). Well you're not getting a 3 in the next year unless you've already put a deposit down, probably on the reveal day. (If Elon manages to not delay it a quarter or two)
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borkencode posted:Well you're not getting a 3 in the next year unless you've already put a deposit down, probably on the reveal day. (If Elon manages to not delay it a quarter or two) I would be really surprised to see a model 3 reach the public in 2017. their stock price took a hit because a hedge fund made a big presentation suggesting they will be bankrupt before the 3 hits the road. The only reason they showed a profit in the last quarter was because they saved up credits to sell, and that they're still losing $5k a car on an ~$80,000 average sale, and that losses on the model 3 could be $15k a car. It's estimated that GM is losing around $9k per bolt but makes it up on not having to buy ZEV credits.
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Powershift posted:I would be really surprised to see a model 3 reach the public in 2017. There is such a big difference between losing money on each car and "losing" money. Tesla are the latter. The cars themselves have a very healthy profit margin by any stretch. The money Tesla are spending is about the Gigafactory and ramping up production factory and in accounting cant be applied to the car per unit profit / loss for a proper financial analysis. Anyone claiming Tesla loses 5K per car is selling an agenda or has no idea how a set of accounts needs to be read.
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borkencode posted:Well you're not getting a 3 in the next year unless you've already put a deposit down, probably on the reveal day. (If Elon manages to not delay it a quarter or two) And yeah, they have plenty of margin per car. They're putting the money into giga and expanding production and r&d rather than sitting on it. ilkhan fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Dec 5, 2016 |
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Random storying Mazda’s Kogai: New product, pricing drive move upmarket quote:... Sorry rotary lovers.
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Exhilarating 1.5 l.
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