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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7oxlTfqYk0 did the clinton campaign run a single ad like this? if not, why not?
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i'm looking forward to having this argument constantly for the next 4 years
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stone cold posted:i'd rather read a thousand circumcision meltdowns than this im looking forward to becoming a real snippy motherfucker maybe i'll start drinking too Chelb fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Dec 3, 2016 |
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I mean, hillary actually had a fair number of pro-working class programs in her platform. People like to claim that they weren't the right kind and thus didn't appeal to those voters, but it's also pretty clear she assumed the Obama voters were a lock and didn't put much effort into those states. Hubris and poor polling led the Clinton campaign to think a bunch of states were solid blue despite their massive losses during the midterms. She was also sabotaged by her own reputation as a political manipulator, which was not unearned. People don't like political dynasties, especially since Bush Jr was such a gently caress-up. And now we'll all pay the price for those mistakes.
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Badger of Basra posted:i'm looking forward to having this argument constantly for the next 4 years I'm looking forward to hearing leftists shriek about how electoral politics don't matter for 2018.
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Badger of Basra posted:i'm looking forward to having this argument constantly for the next 4 years hey think of it this way, we will never hear circumcision chat again
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Dec 3, 2016 00:09
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Polling is in a remarkably bad place right now and i will be interested to see how confidence in pollsters and aggregators declines during 2018 and 2020, if it does at all
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Raskolnikov38 posted:hey think of it this way, we will never hear circumcision chat again i'd rather read a thousand circumcision meltdowns than this
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It is kind of cool to see how deeply the idea that politicians are smarter than we are runs. People who insisted that Hillary had it as a lock are now bludgeoning her for failing to interpret the data properly.
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Dec 3, 2016 00:12
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stone cold posted:i'd rather read a thousand circumcision meltdowns than this Chelb posted:im looking forward to becoming a real snippy motherfucker 
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maybe instead of relying on poll numbers to assume states are a lock, candidates can try their hardest and tailor policies that benefit many specific places instead of just campaigning in florida, ohio, nevada and north carolina every election because that's all you need to promise people to get in office.
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Dec 3, 2016 00:15
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Badger of Basra posted:i'm looking forward to having this argument constantly for the next 4 years relitigating the primary is pointless but we're already seeing the excuses solidify: 'it's sanders'/stein's fault'; 'well trump lost the popular vote so technically she won'; 'the freakign russians!!!' they need come to terms with clinton being a bad candidate, and why, or they'll lose in 2018 and 2020 as well. it'll depend on them taking more than the aesthetics from the obama campaign. i think it's more likely they'll keep thinking the choice is between blue dogs and despicable technocrats tho.
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Dec 3, 2016 00:15
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I think circumcision is wrong.
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Rodatose posted:maybe instead of relying on poll numbers to assume states are a lock, candidates can try their hardest and tailor policies that benefit many specific places instead of just campaigning in florida, ohio, nevada and north carolina. i believe that is what bernie sanders is saying keith ellison will help do if he becomes dnc chair
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Dec 3, 2016 00:17
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I think we shouldn't destroy the Earth.
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well the clintonites are already reverting back to their ratfucking 2008 ways by trying to tie ellison to farrakhancorn in the bible posted:I mean, hillary actually had a fair number of pro-working class programs in her platform. right, but how many of them actually ended up in ads?
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merry exmarx posted:relitigating the primary is pointless this is why chuck schumer is backing keith ellison for the dnc
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Rodatose posted:maybe instead of relying on poll numbers to assume states are a lock, candidates can try their hardest and tailor policies that benefit many specific places instead of just campaigning in florida, ohio, nevada and north carolina. But that has the issue of communicating policies in an environment where 1) media is heavily individualized and 2) most people don't care to pay attention to lengthy stuff about politics. And it also assumes that the issue was policy, rather than personal antipathy, belief that the election was already won, etc. You also have the twin issues of 1) figuring out what the 46% of eligible voters who don't vote want enough to get them to go to the polls and 2) whether this is actually superior at achieving things compared to establishing a narrative that people latch onto. Finally, the people who are talking about this generally are also people who loudly boast about how compromise is inherently evil, so you've got the problem of getting people to listen to your ideas when you've just told them you'll inevitably refuse to support them when they need it most.
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Hollismason posted:I think circumcision is wrong. Hot dogs belong in buns!
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Brainiac Five posted:It is kind of cool to see how deeply the idea that politicians are smarter than we are runs. People who insisted that Hillary had it as a lock are now bludgeoning her for failing to interpret the data properly. Bill and Obama both told her staffers to campaign in the states she lost and were turned away for being "old-fashioned"
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corn in the bible posted:Bill and Obama both told her staffers to campaign in the states she lost and were turned away for being "old-fashioned" I wasn't even talking about you, but I'm glad you decided to jump in and defend the idea that hindsight is no clearer than foresight.
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merry exmarx posted:well the clintonites are already reverting back to their ratfucking 2008 ways by trying to tie ellison to farrakhan its some hot bullshit on the part of the ADL and CNN but with chuck schumer adamant on backing him i think things will pan out alright on that front
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loving hell dude calm down I was agreeing with you.
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Did Obama win because of his policy promises, or because he was a challenger and messaged using "Hope and Change"?corn in the bible posted:loving hell dude calm down I was agreeing with you. Stop being so GBS.
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Chelb posted:its some hot bullshit on the part of the ADL and CNN but with chuck schumer adamant on backing him i think things will pan out alright on that front I thought Bernie would be our Corbyn but perhaps Keith will be him instead?
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quote:Ada is a complex computer algorithm that the campaign was prepared to publicly unveil after the election as its invisible guiding hand. Named for a female 19th-century mathematician — Ada, Countess of Lovelace — the algorithm was said to play a role in virtually every strategic decision Clinton aides made, including where and when to deploy the candidate and her battalion of surrogates and where to air television ads — as well as when it was safe to stay dark.
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Mustached Demon posted:Hot dogs belong in buns!  
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Badger of Basra posted:this is why chuck schumer is backing keith ellison for the dnc it's to keep him out of the way in a do-nothing job
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icantfindaname posted:it's to keep him out of the way in a do-nothing job Stunning political analysis there.
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computer, should i bother visiting the rust belt
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Chelb posted:its some hot bullshit on the part of the ADL and CNN but with chuck schumer adamant on backing him i think things will pan out alright on that front also dean dropped out today so keith is unopposed at this point? that podesta group lobbyist might still technically be running
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corn in the bible posted:I thought Bernie would be our Corbyn but perhaps Keith will be him instead? well if by "our corbyn" you mean "an african american liberal muslim who has the possibility of galvanizing minorities, attracting a certain level of white working class voters to the dem side, and implementing a better organizational and strategic groundwork for dem efforts in 2018 and 2020", the sure
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Chelb posted:well if by "our corbyn" you mean "an african american liberal muslim who has the possibility of galvanizing minorities, attracting a certain level of white working class voters to the dem side, and implementing a better organizational and strategic groundwork for dem efforts in 2018 and 2020", the sure I mean, Jeremy Corbyn isn't black, but yeah pretty much those other things. Jeremy Corbyn is cool and he pulled in a bunch of people who'd never bothered to care about their party before, including a big increase in party registration -- important if you want to have change in a party's direction and leadership.
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Chelb posted:well if by "our corbyn" you mean "an african american liberal muslim who has the possibility of galvanizing minorities, attracting a certain level of white working class voters to the dem side, and implementing a better organizational and strategic groundwork for dem efforts in 2018 and 2020", the sure he probably means 'left wing'
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https://apnews.com/0f1305c8742547df9bcf978b2c15997c/Trump-voter-lost-her-home-to-new-Treasury-secretary
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Brainiac Five posted:Stunning political analysis there. hi effectronica, glad you're back. didn't realize who you were there for a second
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I can't wait for people to lift Keith Ellison up as the next great hope for socialism and then be let down.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:also dean dropped out today so keith is unopposed at this point? that podesta group lobbyist might still technically be running i'm sure there are other candidates but they're niche enough that literally nobody knows about them
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