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coyo7e posted:Holy poo poo. Do you know what that word is? No, I just like the rhyme
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coyo7e posted:Also once you're a boy scout you're always a boy scout, you can't just stop being one. Again, it's very like the military in that regard. Once an Eagle, always an Eagle. That's the phrase. e - Also American Cultures isn't a required merit badge  . Though reading it, it should be. (For those unaware. A green border badge is an elective merit badge. Silver borders are part of a group that are Eagle required badges.) https://www.meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Merit_badges_required_for_the_Eagle_Scout_rank
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Manuel Calavera posted:Once an Eagle, always an Eagle. That's the phrase.  I just got every single one that existed, my sash was stupid as gently caress at that point
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coyo7e posted:Conservatives also loving LOVE Native American cultural stuff. They love the fashion, they love the art, the love the jewelry, they love vacationing in places where natives used to live.. But they sure don't like when they get uppity and stop real americans from just doing an honest day's work laying pipe, to receive an honest day's pay, and they sure aren't gonna be visiting the rez (except when they roll up to the casino in their bigass RV that gets 2 mpg) Now that you bring this up I wonder how many of the conservative assholes hating on the pipeline protesters also defend the Redskins/Braves/Chief Wahoo as "honoring Native American culture."
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Twelve by Pies posted:Now that you bring this up I wonder how many of the conservative assholes hating on the pipeline protesters also defend the Redskins/Braves/Chief Wahoo as "honoring Native American culture." Well the only thing it sounds like they respect is the warrior ethos of Native American history and not...everything else that is also important to Native American history.
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Manuel Calavera posted:Once an Eagle, always an Eagle. That's the phrase. "Boy Scouts of America - Eagle Rank, Senior Patrol Leader for 2 years. Order of the Arrow - Brotherhood rank member." oh god it's me, I'm the martyr-complex jarhead who appropriated cultural heritage before I understood, well, much of anything but knot tying and fire-building, aren't I? 
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Twelve by Pies posted:Now that you bring this up I wonder how many of the conservative assholes hating on the pipeline protesters also defend the Redskins/Braves/Chief Wahoo as "honoring Native American culture."
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It's a lot easier going backpacking with my eagle scout friend. Buckets of rain for 2 days? Bam 2 minutes later, fire. Dude is a wizard. Boy scouts flawed but cool in my book.
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Joshmo posted:I keep around one EPORW-style guy on my Facebook for the giggles and to see this stuff in the wild, and I think this is the one thing I haven't seen him take the red pill on. I don't think any conservative on my feed has. But they all also defend the Redskins name and such. So, small comfort? These folks in rural communities know they're not doing well and they know they're in a spiral and they feel lovely about it. Statistics for suicides have just gone through the roof when it comes to white males with long-term unemployment and/or property foreclosures and the like.. Yet they still will SCREAM in your face that you're the one "who's guilty of being white" because you mention police violence and BLM. They know that literally posting on facebook or saying out loud in mixed company that "Chief Wah-Wah should be defended as an American institution" is very, VERY not-cool.. So they don't say it, they just digest it, and then regurgitate it to anyone who they haven't labeled as "the bad guys," because memes are viral (and if you don't know what that means outside of common social media usage, then go read Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson - it's only like 120 pages so even rednecks ought to be able to get through it. And I apologize for making you read Neal Stephenson)
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Gareth Gobulcoque posted:It's a lot easier going backpacking with my eagle scout friend. Buckets of rain for 2 days? Bam 2 minutes later, fire. Dude is a wizard. Also I love this: 
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I learned some funny things about Eagle Scouts and mormon communities from my (mormon) co-worker -- it's such a cultural requirement in many communities (and by a certain age) that a lot of less than honest actions are taken Reading those badge requirements looks fun and makes me sad that Boy Scouts was an abandoned dysfunctional program in my lovely rural community 
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BONGHITZ posted:Atheists are not allowed the rank of Eagle I had some good times when I was involved in scouts, but this was a legit problem that definitely contributed to my leaving.
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Duke Igthorn posted:Which soldiers? What was the last war someone died in to protect our "freedoms"? Was Saddam about to take away our freedom of speech? Was Vietnam about to quarter soldiers in our homes without our permission? 
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darthbob88 posted:War of Southern Treason, 1861, fought to secure the freedom of about 4 million American citizens. You know goddamned well the north didn't give any more of a poo poo than it explicitly had to about black lives. The Union might have wound up on the right side of history, but don't lionize it; they were fighting to stop the insurrection, not out of any belief in the rights of blacks as citizens.
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Keeshhound posted:You know goddamned well the north didn't give any more of a poo poo than it explicitly had to about black lives. The Union might have wound up on the right side of history, but don't lionize it; they were fighting to stop the insurrection. It definitely started as an effort to preserve the Union, but the North really did grow some moral fiber over the course of the war, for reasons including the bravery of black soldiers, an honest, first-hand look at the cruelty of slavery, and resentment of the Confederates for killing so many Northerners. That's how we got amendments 13 to 15.
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Shangri-Law School posted:It definitely started as an effort to preserve the Union, but the North really did grow some moral fiber over the course of the war, for reasons including the bravery of black soldiers, an honest, first-hand look at the cruelty of slavery, and resentment of the Confederates for killing so many Northerners. That's how we got amendments 13 to 15. To add to this, there was a reason John Brown's Body became a popular marching tune during the war.
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lancemantis posted:I learned some funny things about Eagle Scouts and mormon communities from my (mormon) co-worker -- it's such a cultural requirement in many communities (and by a certain age) that a lot of less than honest actions are taken  Me? I found a free public campground which a local logging company had let fall into total decay - and then rebuilt every picnic table with 4x10 lumber, paved 4.3 miles of trails by clearing brush and carting in gravel by hand in wheelbarrows (and it was literally in the woods on a hillside), built a large central structure for organizing, singing hymnals , (probably mainly for corporate retreats from the company that owned the land and let the public enjoy it for free - if they knew it existed and IF they scheduled in advance and IF someone was around to unlock the gates - good lord was I naive back then but it scored me a sick pocket knife - monogrammed with the company name so I *in theory* can show up and wave a pocketknife at the guards and go camping for free! ) When you get into the weeds, it's exhausting coyo7e fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Dec 3, 2016 |
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Yeah like the abolitionist movement wasn't huge and influential before the war. The government may not have been abolitionist yet but there was a radical Republican wing with abolition as its main plank.
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Arglebargle III posted:Yeah like the abolitionist movement wasn't huge and influential before the war. The government may not have been abolitionist yet but there was a radical Republican wing with abolition as its main plank.
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Keeshhound posted:You know goddamned well the north didn't give any more of a poo poo than it explicitly had to about black lives. The Union might have wound up on the right side of history, but don't lionize it; they were fighting to stop the insurrection, not out of any belief in the rights of blacks as citizens. Lionizing it in those words, though, is a great way to troll SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN types.
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VideoTapir posted:Lionizing it in those words, though, is a great way to troll SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN types. 
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VideoTapir posted:Lionizing it in those words, though, is a great way to troll SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN types. Alright, fair enough.
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We live in a world where the hero of Wild Wild West becomes less certain the further south you get 
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dwarf74 posted:More than snopes, which while good, is a lot more of the "you can't seriously believe this, can you?" variety. You can't debunk things using Snopes anymore anyway. There's been a fairly noticeable turn against them from the right over this past year (at least as far as I've seen). Apparently since they've debunked a lot of Drumpf BS they aren't trustworthy anymore and they're OBVIOUSLY being paid off by the left!
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So don't cite Snopes. Treat it like Wikipedia. You read it then just use the actual real sources you need which are linked in the piece. Conservatives have had it in for Snopes for most of the last decade. This isn't anything new at all. They had some initial funding that if you squint hard enough you can connect to Soros so obviously it's a CIA psi-op. ErIog fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Dec 3, 2016 |
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LunarShadow posted:To add to this, there was a reason John Brown's Body became a popular marching tune during the war. Looking at the lyrics to this....is this the same tune as "He Fell From 40-Thousand Feet (without a parachute)"? Because that's my defining memory of scouting.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Looking at the lyrics to this....is this the same tune as "He Fell From 40-Thousand Feet (without a parachute)"? Because that's my defining memory of scouting. Is that to the tune of Battle Hymn Of The Republic? Then yes.
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Thank you thread. Now I'm on the government list.
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ErIog posted:So don't cite Snopes. Treat it like Wikipedia. You read it then just use the actual real sources you need which are linked in the piece.
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BaronVonVaderham posted:I had some good times when I was involved in scouts, but this was a legit problem that definitely contributed to my leaving. I didn't have a problem with it, being Agnostic. However my mom was/is the Troop Chaplain (Roman Catholic. She just volunteered I think) so I had to get the various religious emblems (http://www.nccs-bsa.org/index.php/religious-emblems/parvuli-dei and Ad Altare). I was raised the religion, so it wasn't hard to do. not that I remember anything from them. e - I lucked out on my project. I cleaned a creek, but I did have to talk with the city's environmental office to schedule pick up of the bags and figure out where the best place to do it was. As well as a local non=profit support group for the creek, to get supplies. So I didn't just roll up and clean, I did some extra work. Mercedes Colomar fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Dec 3, 2016 |
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Manuel Calavera posted:I didn't have a problem with it, being Agnostic. However my mom was/is the Troop Chaplain (Roman Catholic. She just volunteered I think) so I had to get the various religious emblems (http://www.nccs-bsa.org/index.php/religious-emblems/parvuli-dei and Ad Altare). I was raised the religion, so it wasn't hard to do. not that I remember anything from them. There was no really explicit, "You don't believe so gtfo," but I mysteriously had a harder time scheduling stuff for merit badges, some passive-aggressive poo poo any time there was a religious service I didn't want to attend (they were optional at jamborees and such, but optional never really means truly optional), etc. It just changed the tone of the group. I never really said gently caress this I'm leaving, but when it came time to prioritize my extra-curriculars this slipped lower and lower down the ladder and I started choosing pit orchestra or science olympiad instead. Edit: I made it to Star. I think I only needed one more badge to make Life but just gave up. BaronVonVaderham fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Dec 3, 2016 |
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BaronVonVaderham posted:There was no really explicit, "You don't believe so gtfo," but I mysteriously had a harder time scheduling stuff for merit badges, some passive-aggressive poo poo any time there was a religious service I didn't want to attend (they were optional at jamborees and such, but optional never really means truly optional), etc. Same thing happened to me. Also Life is the worst level of Scouts.
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coyo7e posted:There are required merit badges? First Aid, Camping, a bunch of others. DarkHorse posted:Same thing happened to me. Also Life is the worst level of Scouts. Yeah, I sat at Life for like five years procrastinating getting the last three badges- Family Life, Personal Fitness, and Personal Management (or was it Personal Finance?). That last one had requirements about comparing prices, and I remember the Scoutmaster joking about how it was so wimpy these days that they made us learn how to shop. And whatever happened to the stalking requirement? (That's a holdover from its military roots and had to do with trailing enemies, but the word makes it sound pretty creepy nowadays). BaronVonVaderham posted:There was no really explicit, "You don't believe so gtfo," but I mysteriously had a harder time scheduling stuff for merit badges, some passive-aggressive poo poo any time there was a religious service I didn't want to attend (they were optional at jamborees and such, but optional never really means truly optional), etc. It always seemed to me like BSA was a confederacy, by which I mean that there wasn't much top-down direction and individual troops had a lot of leeway in how they interpreted the rules. There was at least one person in our troop who was raised an atheist, due to his parents being refugees from communist China. Maybe it bothered him when some of the leaders talked about God, but I don't think it was ever held against him, and he's never complained about it in all the years since.
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I saw a car last night with a big sticker on the rear window (which probably obstructs the driver's view to an unsafe degree btw) that said "Face the truth, Hillary is a monster". I think that maybe some people aren't fully grasping the reality of the election being over.
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Cousin shared this image: Of course this is pretty standard "briefly tempting" libertarian schlock but the comments are pretty great. Absolutely filled with "WELL ACTUALLY I AGREE BUT" type posts. Like this gem: quote:This is where some libertarians go full retard. Men peeing in a woman's bathroom is a violation of the non aggression principle. As is abortion, which is murder. These are not civil liberties, they are infringement on other people's liberty, and those affected by it should be protected. Libertarian philosophy is great in general, but it must be coupled with basic morality as well. Otherwise, you go full retard. Non aggression principle lmao.
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I don't usually use forums or Reddit, I usually just post comments on Ancap blogs like Molyneux or Cantwell's blog, but they didn't seem appropriate places to post my story. So here goes, I just wanted to share this with all of you. Nov 3 I flew to Europe for a Eurotrip type tour. Not a guide or packaged deal, just going around by myself. I paid for half of the trip with the wages I earned over the last two years, my dad paid for the other half. I am 19, I guess that is normal starting college and all. (Before that I worked for my dad's company part time, so I guess you could say he paid for all of it, lol). I did France and then Italy and then Greece next. I am an Ancap so I wanted to see anarchists in these places. Yes, I know they are different kinds of "anarchists" and not really full anarchists like us. I went to an anarchist book store in Italy and it had a lot of English books, but no Rothbard or Ancap. Like I said, I expected that, not a surprise. I went to Greece, which everyone knows is famous for its revolutionary anarchism, its economic crisis and everything going on right now. Here I found directions for a local anarchist center. I went and didn't see anybody, but it was covered in graffiti, mostly in Greek so I couldn't read it. Whatever, I started taking pictures. Then some people came out and confronted me. This should have been my first warning sign something was not right, because photography is not a crime. They were not violent, but they were not friendly, like asking who I was, what I wanted. They all spoke good English actually. Not uncommon in Greece. I said I was a tourist and an anarchist and I just wanted to take pictures. Then they got friendly and told me I should have asked first (but pictures are no NAP violation so I don't know why, but I didn't say anything) and they invited me inside. We hung out for a while and smoked hash (there is no good dank in Europe as you might find out like in Cali, everyone smokes hash with tobacco which isn't as cool as it sounds). We started talking about politics and anarchism. I was trying to talk about the state, they were like yeah no doubt the state was bad. But they wanted to talk about capitalism, capitalism this and that. This is when we started to get into a debate. I told them that what they called capitalism is different from the free market. They said capitalism is free markets. And I said I agreed. That is what I am saying. Real capitalism is free markets. And they said yes, that is what we are trying to get rid of. And I said no, but we don't even have that right now. We need more free markets. And everyone at the same time was like "nooo" we are anarchists, we are against capitalism. Anarchists oppose capitalism. And I said but not anarcho-capitalists. Anarcho-capitalists are the anarchists who support capitalism. I had a fanny pack (yeah, lame I know) for my camera and in that I had this yellow and black bowtie (also super lame, it was a joke but I wasnt wearing it). And I said look, these are the Ancap colors, yellow and black, like versus the communist red and black. Well, these guys had a lot of red and black in the building already so I thought they would get it. I think that is when it started to get a really bad vibe, really tense in the air. The free market thing was funny, we disagreed but I think they thought I was just confused. Everyone was uncomfortable now. Then someone said markets wont work with democracy. And I said exactly, that's it, democracy is against anarchism. And they kind of agreed, and said yes, we don't have real democracy, just governments, and we needed more democracy. I said no, we need less democracy, democracy is the enemy. And we need to end democracy to have anarchy. Then they were all like "noooo" again. You know that thing people do in groups when everyone all says "nooo" or expresses some disapproval at the same time. And one of them said "but we do want to stop democracy" and then they kind of spoke back and forth in Greek. I didn't really understand it. And they asked me what I meant. So I said okay, I had the floor, I was going to tell them about ancapism. And I tried to explain to them some Rothbard and Hoppe. I said the natural order in anarchy is that the best rise to the top, the market picks who is the best. They compete and are peaceful. They said what do we want instead of anarchy. I said we want private owners to own their own land and businesses, and to employ people. They said that is what we have now. I said no, it would be even better. One of the guys said it was like feudalism. And I said it is not feudalism. Eventually one of the guys spoke up and I thought he was Greek, but he spoke English perfectly so he may have not been. He said he knew what anarcho-capitalism was and that we were basically fascists. He asked me if I thought everything should be private. And I said yes. And he asked me if I thought people were unequal. And I told him yes. And that not everyone would have equal rights. I said everyone has the right to own property and not be done aggression against. But that not everyone had to be treated equally by the owners. He said what about immigrants and racism. And I said that would not happen in a free market, but yes property owners could be racist if they wanted to. They had to respect property. Then he called me a fascist again, and someone else said I was a fascist. And then they basically all started shouting fascist at me, and one of them grabbed me by the wrists. They pulled me out the door, it was up three floors, and basically drug me down the stairs on my back. It hurt really bad and I remember yelling "you're breaking the NAP" and things like that. "Stop initiating force against me." Then they kicked me around on the ground in the hallway, before they took my camera and threw me outside. I was crying and stuff, I just sat there. I was in shock because it was so sudden. Looking back there were warning signs though. I think they felt bad for me and gave the camera back, but when I looked later they stole the memory card with all of my Greek photos. So they initiated force and theft. They broke the NAP. I knew the left anarchists were not real anarchists, but I never knew they would do something that bad. I wasnt seriously hurt, just kicked around a little, lots of bruises and little cuts. I am fine guys so don't worry. Just needed to share.
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